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Boris Johnson confirmed as next UK PM as Conservatives announce new leader
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he doesn't have the numbers so he has to wait for signals from the tory unfaithful, it's a simple as that really.
Fucked if I know, but I'm not paid to be in a position to negotiate it. The fact that parliament, including members of her own party, threw it out 3 times, tells me she could have perhaps made a better fist of it. Having said that, it was always a thankless task so who knows...
What you need is a PM that reflects how close the referendum result was and delivers on that basis. Not one that picks the most extreme of one side that doesn't even represent most Leave voters.
Right now, it's like being in a hurricane. You can hear explosions, and sirens, and what sounds like things collapsing.
Right now, the only option is hunkering down. We don't know which way the storm is going to go. We don't know what fires will be burning when it breaks. We don't know what we will have to fight to protect.
We don't know what Boris is going to do as PM. We don't know which tory MPs are going to fall in line behind him. We can guess, of course, but until it happens, we can't really strategise what to do about it. Until then, best to take care of our own mental health, so that once it is clear exactly what we are up against, we are best equipped to do something.
My default position is one optimism. But it isn't one of inaction.
For election purposes you are just 59 seats, less than England, more than Wales - a number that is roughly proportionate to the population. There is not a collective choice of Scotland. How would that work? If Scotland gives most Scottish seats to the SNP, should the SNP run the UK, despite not running outside of Scotland. It's nationalist bunk.
Parliament threw literally every single option they were presented out and the Brexiteers themselves have yet to make a single realistic statement on what they actually want (outside of deals that are literally impossible). Judging her deal based on that is just strange; it's like saying a Michelin-starred restaurant is crap because a group of picky children can't decide on what they want from the menu.
I still don't quite get what happened. Sure, Gove threw his hat into the ring, but Boris was still the massive favourite. If he really wanted it at that point he could have waltzed into No.10. I'd guess he saw it for the poison chalice it was and decided to hold off. Only reason I can see him wanting it now is because it's probably the last chance he realistically has.
Can't argue with that but it's extremely hard to see this as anything other than knowing it'll be bad but not knowing how bad.
Good idea for the casting of the Individual 1 sequel "Oaf Zero"He really does look like some kinda gary busey clone lol
I'm judging it based on the fact that if it went through, we wouldn't really "leave" at all, we'd be tied in with none of the say we have today.
I agree though that I don't think there's a deal that the EU would go for between what she got and what leavers would accept as "leaving", short of coming out with no deal.
It seemed to me that maybe if she could have done something around the Irish backstop, she might have been able to get something through but given the way parliament voted everything else down, who knows?
Jesus, just look at it, it's like a dopey cunt from dad's army dropped into the modern world.
The hilarious thing is the bureaucrats in EU generally have zero respect for Boris and some actively dislike him, the Russians too. There are clips of politicians bursting out laughing when he was chosen as foreign secretary. I can only imagine the Iranians don't think much of him either. In fact he is very much a laughing stock to many non-UK politicians. I'm looking forward to seeing him navigating the current tanker crisis with Iran considering how well things went the last time he had any diplomatic dealings with them. And that's just for openers ha ha.
At least Trump as endorsed him though! :)
At least Trump as endorsed him though! :)
There is a collective choice of Scotland, the sum of votes(or seats). It's quite incredible how you don't understand this, even unionists here view ourselves as a country and as a country we can vote against brexit and Tories all we want but we'll ultimately get what England wants.
So we should just shut up and keep quiet is the message you are sending with this argument. Guess what alot of us are sick of getting what we don't vote for.
20 years when he finally falls to the uprising and die to a toblerone guillotine
I mean Osborne can only get hard when cutting taxes and killing poor people so it'll be a wince of extreme enjoyment I'm sure.
Der Spiegel have his number.
... how would you define 'do your job', in this situation? like, acting as the opposition, obviously, but should he call a vote immediately or set a specific date or what
I didn't vote for them either. Maybe I should declare independence? That's not how democracy works. You don't get to carve out a section of the electorate, aggregate their votes and then compare that to choice of the country as a whole and claim injustice. It's nonsense. If Cornwall decides to vote Cornish separatists into her seats, does she then have a legitimate argument for independence because the choice of the county is not the same as the choice of the country?
If you want to vote for a party of government maybe actually vote for a party that wants to be in government and not just a regional power. There are many reasons to want independence, just as there are many reasons for Brexit but perverse electoral maths is not one of them.
Yeah, a failed VoNC is pointless, and you can be sure the Tory 'rebels' wouldn't vote for one immediately, and that's crucial.
Boris is going to get August to mull over his position over recess, and maybe conference season too. Similar to May's stalemate over last Christmas I suppose, bit I imagine the rumour mill will be louder.
Depends what my job is. If my job is to shepherd in brexit without getting my hands dirty then I'd do exactly what he is doing. Alternatively, if my job is to put a stop to a Tory policy which is going to fuck the working people I claim to represent, I'd be looking to build a remain consensus across the opposition parties and reaching out to the likes of Grieve and Hammond to see if they would be prepared to support an immediate MONC. In fact I would have already done that. There are roughly 22 days of parliament between now and brexit day. If not now, when? If not Corbyn, who?
hahaha i forgot how good Steve Bell's Osborne cartoons were.Lol reminds me of Steve Bells Osborne cartoons.
He misjudged the situation IMO. Against the clock and with the media saying he was finished he bottled it accepting that Gove had finished him where in fact the only person Gove had fucked over was himself. If he had stood he'd have beaten may easily. The field was so weak that Fecking leadsome made the last 2.
I'm fairly certain you are trolling me now.
Ps can you run better together please?
If that's what you think then maybe we should just leave it there. Adieu.
He's the best in the business imo, Cameron as a condom is just so...weird but fitting.
I'm jealous that you can conceivably remove him quickly. We get one shot at removing our moron.
Does this mean Boris has the best brain, too? Are they linked together in a hivemind?
It is fascinating to be living in a time where we are knowledgeably democratically electing idiots. Like there have been a ton of idiots in power in monarchal systems and what not, but this is just next level embarrassing.
This kind of post can eat my arse. We're an unequal union where England gets to push and shove all it wants while the other 3 nations have to hobble along with it. We aren't federalised, so a lot of our decisions here in Scotland come down to how England feels about things. The Barnett formula is one of the greatest examples of this. How the hell can you expect us to really accept that we should only get a fractional amount of dosh for our services because England decides to spend X on its own services? Its controversial to even shake it up because its either going to reveal that Scotland brings in a shitload more tax than it gets back, or that Scotland is a leech on English resources.
Seriously, take a look at how things actually get decided in the UK instead of just going "hurr durr you get so many seats in parliament". Those seats mean fuck all in the end.
Looks like Brexit buffoonery is guaranteed to march on until it ends in a fiery crash this Halloween.
Lol I bet Cameron wishes he was only known for putting his cock in a pig now.
Well then May's deal was the best deal because there was no way that the EU was going to both improve the benefits and lower the downsides.
This idea that any deal is possible if only someone is 'good enough' at it is like the "lazy devs!" rhetoric you see on Gaming Side. It just completely ignores what deals actually are.