I understood you the other way around. But even if PC parts are still cheaper, and consoles more expensive, the gap is still there. Sure PC can do more things and that is also an incentive to invest there. It would be interesting to compare the real cost of an equivalent performing PC vs console in different markets
I don't necessarily mean propaganda, I guess. But I've read from multiple sources how much the game was pushed in China, through news outlets and media, primarily because of its budget and origins.
"PC is far more expensive" - yes that's why consoles have remained stagnant for a quarter of a century and play no role in the developing world compared to PC.
PS5 like hardware in Germany will cost you about a 100€ more than the PS5 if you go with really cheap components - 100€ is a none price to pay compared to a standard pay2play 70€ fee and higher game prices.
And no one needs PS5 like hardware to play PS5 games, the minimum gpu for Wukong did cost <200€ 6(!) years ago the cpu <100€ 5 years ago.
And then you have a huge used market that throws old stuff at you.
The minimum amount of money you need to have for a used PC that at least plays some new stuff can't be reached by any console, not even close.
PS5 like hardware in Germany will cost you about a 100€ more than the PS5 if you go with really cheap components - 100€ is a none price to pay compared to a standard pay2play 70€ fee and higher game prices.
And no one needs PS5 like hardware to play PS5 games, the minimum gpu for Wukong did cost <200€ 6(!) years ago the cpu <100€ 5 years ago.
And then you have a huge used market that throws old stuff at you.
The minimum amount of money you need to have for a used PC that at least plays some new stuff can't be reached by any console, not even close.
your listed components of 3 things are already 400€ in germany
If you notice (and that applies to almost every quote reply I got in this thread) I never say "this is cheaper than a PS5", rather I say what I think is "a cheap PC".
I don't know how accurate this is, but it might actually be the opposite: https://youtube.com/shorts/SGCiUXiCLeo?si=q3fdgKH5cDCjvXmt
you started the comparison with the PS5 and then single it out for PCs only. I hope you notice why so many quoted your satement.
It makes total sense to easily pay +50% more for a "cheap" PC to get PS5-like performance instead of just, you know, getting a PS5. Uhum.
It wasn't being compared to a ps5s price. In respect to building a PC it's a really cheap build and a mighty good one at that(very power efficient). If folks go the amd route for gpu and/or buy one used then the price goes down a ton more.
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Reading comprehension is at an all-time low in this thread.
On average cheaper games due to more sales/coupons bundles, mod support, flexibility to use whatever peripherals you want, being able to use all that computing power to something other than gaming. There's plenty of reasons.
I swear some folks have a borderline platform warring attitude when looking at PCs.
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This is actually not really true. For China, you can get some cheaper indigenous parts, but the most expensive parts (the CPU and GPU) are actually more expensive than in the US. For example, a 4060ti 16 GB on Newegg.com costs US$400 - 500. On jd.com, the same part generally costs CNY 3500 - 4500, which translates to around USD 500 - 650. The Chinese price includes a 13% VAT, while the US price does not include the 5 - 10% sales tax that will be added eventually, but the Chinese price is still a bit more expensive after you remove the VAT.
CPU and RAM: same relative pricing comparison. You can maybe shave off a few USD by getting a YTMC SSD instead of a Samsung one, but you can get SSD in that price range in the US as well by giving up some performance. You can get cheap cases, monitor, and peripherals here; but in the US you can get really cheap parts for those as well. In the end, the total cost of a gaming PC--if you build it--is going to be similar after currency conversion.
If you want to get a laptop? You can get a 15.6" laptop with a 4060, 16 GB RAM, and 1 TB storage for around USD 1,000 from Bestbuy, and they are often for sale for USD 900. That translates to CNY 7,000 (CNY 6,300 on sale). If you go for a minor domestic brand, you can get similar specs for CNY 6,000 (around USD 900). If you want the same brands as in the US (Lenovo, Asus, Dell, etc), you are looking at prices above CNY 7,000. Adjusted for VAT, the laptops in China are cheaper, but not by that much.
I believe China is rather lucky in the regard: In a lot of places around the world, the parts are substantially more expensive than in the US because of logistics, more middlemen, tariffs, etc. These products do not really have much variation in them, because the most expensive components are all coming from Intel (US), AMD (US), Samsung (SK), nVidia (US), with foundries making them in the US, SK, and TW.
At microcenter right now you can get the gpu for $280 and the CPU for $105. Nothing is really cheap in this economy but Dictator didn't say cheaper than a PS5, just relatively cheap for same performance.
so marketing for everyone else, and propaganda if it's Chinese...
Did we read the same thread? lol It's the other way around, someone getting quoted to death because he dared to say building a PC is not expensive.
well how much is the HW in China? Straight from the source.
The "what do you consider cheap" is in response to this.
Which you compared directly with PS5.
Why bring it up at all then?
And what they were responding to was this.
So the comparison was against a high end PC.
Edit: Sorry, I was being an asshole.
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and for comparison, how much is the ps5 in china, a market historically closed off to consoles?
pc is the "default" there, no?
The quote is directly comparing a non maxed build to PS5 and claiming it is cheap.
Why are you ignoring the context?
This is about a high end pc vs a cheap pc, saying that you do not need a high end pc, you can match ps5 performance with a cheap pc.
Right, but then that "cheap" PC, that is comparable to a PS5, with parts listed would end up being significantly more expensive than a PS5, hence the statement "that's not cheap compared to a PS5".
My reading comprehension must be low because I could swear the person he's responding to originally was comparing buying a pc vs buying a ps5 (the premise of the thread) to play wukong
Hell, it's not even about going out and buying a PC. He's basically just said that if you have a lower end PC already, you can still enjoy the game because it's fairly easy to run the game at the console spec.
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Pretty cool seeing this game do really well on each platform, especially since it's not a always online looter shooter service game.
I'm not into boss rush games, so I hope it there is a sequel and they implement a Elden Ring-like world alongside releasing on all capable consoles the same day.
I'm not into boss rush games, so I hope it there is a sequel and they implement a Elden Ring-like world alongside releasing on all capable consoles the same day.
Do people seriously think the PC Alex talked about isn't cheap? You can build a 12400k + 3060/4060 PC for around $680 in the US. Is it more expensive then a PS5 straight up? Sure. Is the price difference that significant? Not really. The price gap shrinks even further when you consider the lack of paid online and the cheaper game prices on PC as well.
The domestic version of the digital PS5 slim is about CNY 2,800, which is around USD 400. That is VAT inclusive, so it is cheaper than in the US. The disk version of the PS5 slim is about CNY 3,500, or around USD 500, again cheaper. These are limited to the Chinese PSN store, which is... not very good if you want to access a wide variety of games. I am not sure about the price of the import versions.
PC is the default here for reasons other than the relative price of the hardware.
PC parts and consoles in China are not cheaper, at least not in any drastic way. Comparable pricing on pretty much everything vs the US with lower average and median income. Although in general, higher end PCs and consoles are very affordable to a working family in China.
In May 2024 the US government continued Trump tariffs. These tariffs add a 25% duty on graphics cards, mother boards and desktop cases. Even if the components are assembled in China.
So, what we think is cheap in the West is not cheap in China.
On the other hand, consoles have no tariffs.
So, what we think is cheap in the West is not cheap in China.
On the other hand, consoles have no tariffs.
Its cheap if you fish it out of a dumpster or buy from garage sale.
I was just about to say the same.🤣
Regardless, the entry price to a "cheap" PC isn't very cheap at all.
When it was first revealed a few years back, it looked graphically next gen in ways other games weren't really looking for PS5/XSX, so it was really hyped by graphics-minded folks--the somewhat familiar Journey to the West inspiration was also a draw for some. Years later and it's releasing with pretty much the graphics intact, seemingly with a solid enough action gameplay.
There's also the fact that the developer, and more specifically the owner of the game studio, is a massively sexist piece of shit, so that's a big draw for the chud crowd just like Stellar Blade before this.
I dont know Playstation is just lucky or Xbox is incompetent. Like how can they allow two back to back biggest games of the years Baldur's gate 3 and Black myth wukong to be exclusive on PS5. They basically won without even trying.
Damn 'cheap' means different on the pc market, fortunately it's helped by generally cheaper games (at least on our region) and no online subscription
I have a warring attitude on peeps acting knowingly disingenuous.
The game really nice graphics, and is one of the first true major AAA Chinese made games. As such, a lot of folks who would never play games are picking it up. The steam numbers don't surprise me at all and I expect the ps5 version to do insane numbers
