So the account deletion is possible again?
I want mine gone. They have nothing for me now that Bungie did the right thing and bailed
I want mine gone. They have nothing for me now that Bungie did the right thing and bailed
But playing fair also includes appropriate pre-and post-match conduct, especially when a player accepts recognition for winning in a broadcast. When we think about the suspension, six months for blitzchung is more appropriate, after which time he can compete in the Hearthstone pro circuit again if he so chooses. There is a consequence for taking the conversation away from the purpose of the event and disrupting or derailing the broadcast.
I mean it was of their own free will. There were no legal consequences for them (an American company) from doing nothing in this situation. I'm not even sure China would've banned their games, considering it was just the actions of one player."We were not coerced, we decided we must appease a fascistic government of our own free will", Blizzard says, while the other boot is already halfway in through its mouth
"We had to do this or lose the Chinese market" would at least be... something, a concrete confession of their real values.I mean it was of their own free will. There were no legal consequences for them (an American company) from doing nothing in this situation. I'm not even sure China would've banned their games, considering it was just the actions of one player.
This statement sounds like it was the result of a negotiated compromise with the Chinese government. In other words, it's garbage.
Fuck Blizzard. At least Blizzcon should be really interesting this year.
Being less punitive on the subject should have been the first decision? How about not punishing anyone for speaking up against oppression by a genocidal regime.
If you remove the Chinese government from the equation, then Blizzard wouldn't have had any political motivation for the ban in the first place. If you remove Blizzard from the equation, there's no ban on their players. It literally doesn't make sense without the two.
I'm sorry, I have been lurking for a long time and am not aware of the history of the debates here.
I'm not pro-China. I'm from the Philippines, and I definitely have quite a laundry list of grievances with the country.
But I just want ppl to consider that perhaps the framing of "HK = democracy = good" and "China = authoritarian = bad" is insufficiently capturing the conflict, and it's also playing into US imperial interests. Seems like it's not a popular stance here, so I'll be quiet.
Do they usually allow political messaging of any kind on their platforms?
The other issue is that blizz is incredibly incredibly inconsistent with this type of ban and chose not to enforce it when the same thing happened elsewhere which is a major issue in general. If your gonna have a rule enforce the fuck out of it.Do they usually allow political messaging of any kind on their platforms? I'm sure their rules have something addressing things like this. That's motivation enough for a ban. Their own relationship with China just makes the situation unfortunate, but only potentially hazy as the ban could be(seen as) politically motivated.
I'm not understanding the people saying he shouldn't have been banned at all. Is this solely because they agree with the players' stance on freeing Hong Kong? Blizzard aren't required to provide a platform for anyone's political protests and banning him will discourage others from thinking it's ok to attempt the same through their events. It's not like they're pushing the opposing message, is it?
If you began hosting events intended for entertaining everyone and people involved started using them to push their political views you would exclude them from participating.
i mean, as soon as something like this happens in destiny 2 bungie will also buckle.So the account deletion is possible again?
I want mine gone. They have nothing for me now that Bungie did the right thing and bailed
Political statements are an incredibly vague category; there is no way to enforce it without selectively choosing to attack particular unwelcome opinions. Especially for vulnerable groups, their very existence can be a political issue in regions, certainly their rights would be.Do they usually allow political messaging of any kind on their platforms? I'm sure their rules have something addressing things like this. That's motivation enough for a ban. Their own relationship with China just makes the situation unfortunate, but only potentially hazy as the ban could be(seen as) politically motivated.
I'm not understanding the people saying he shouldn't have been banned at all. Is this solely because they agree with the players' stance on freeing Hong Kong? Blizzard aren't required to provide a platform for anyone's political protests and banning him will discourage others from thinking it's ok to attempt the same through their events. It's not like they're pushing the opposing message, is it?
If you began hosting events intended for entertaining everyone and people involved started using them to push their political views you would exclude them from participating.
Good he got his cash. Blizzard can go fuck themselves. He didn't do anything wrong and instead you assholes decided to fuck him over just to please China. Fuck right off.
Isn't it interesting how people who always say that we shouldn't paint all of China in a bad way and that we shouldn't make it a 2 sides thing always bring in the US and imperialism/something we did wrong in the past as a whataboutism?I'm sorry, I have been lurking for a long time and am not aware of the history of the debates here.
I'm not pro-China. I'm from the Philippines, and I definitely have quite a laundry list of grievances with the country.
But I just want ppl to consider that perhaps the framing of "HK = democracy = good" and "China = authoritarian = bad" is insufficiently capturing the conflict, and it's also playing into US imperial interests. Seems like it's not a popular stance here, so I'll be quiet.
One of our goals at Blizzard is to make sure that every player, everywhere in the world, regardless of political views, religious beliefs, race, gender, or any other consideration always feels safe and welcome both competing in and playing our games.
At Blizzard, we are always listening and finding ways to improve—it is part of our culture. Thank you for your patience with us as we continue to learn.
There is a section of the statement after the 6 month ban announcement that they make it clear he is "welcome back into the pro circuit if and when he wishes."
I hope he publicly tells them to get fucked personally. Use this story to spin up some support behind another game like Hearthstone for people to get behind.
It's relevant on subjects where US Imperialism/interventionism actually had a role in creating the bad situation. China is not one of those situations, US has very little responsibility for the current Chinese government and it's abhorrent practices.Isn't it interesting how people who always say that we shouldn't paint all of China in a bad way and that we shouldn't make it a 2 sides thing always bring in the US and imperialism/something we did wrong in the past as a whataboutism?
Absolutely! Blizz loves China inconditionally, and was worried China might sour up.It wasnt their relationship with China
It was Chinas relationship with them, you see. Different thing
They knew what was coming and let it happenI'm still confused why the shoutcasters were suspended. What did they do?