Another difference is Lorde's second album took a nose dive whereas Billie's skyrocketed.Her music is still trash 3 years later.
Except Lorde's music is good.
Her new song Everything I Wanted is really good too.
Another difference is Lorde's second album took a nose dive whereas Billie's skyrocketed.Her music is still trash 3 years later.
Except Lorde's music is good.
Another difference is Lorde's second album took a nose dive whereas Billie's skyrocketed.
Her new song Everything I Wanted is really good too.
Not to shit on her talent or anything, but there sure seem to be immense amounts of thousands, if not millions, of dollars thrown at marketing her. I simply cannot go a week without seeing some sort of suggestion from websites about her. From YouTube's suggestions or autoplay, all the way down to my TV's OS menu's "suggestions" (ads) tried to push her on me at some point in the past months.
Perhaps it comes across that way, but I'm not begrudging her whatsoever.there are plenty of equally connected musicians who won't get anywhere near her success because they don't have the talent
begrudging her for her family being in the industry is dumb, maybe you can do this the first year she became popular but 3 years down the line in a ruthless industry it's time to get real
Yeah. Anyone who believes that the popular music industry is anything resembling a meritocracy is unbelievably ignorant. Pop music isn't about talent; it never has been and it never will be. Searching for talented musicians is expensive, difficult, and completely not cost-effective since pop music fans have basically no expectation that the artists write their own music, perform their own music, or write/perform music that is challenging in any way.There are plenty of equally talented musicians out there who won't get anywhere near the success she has since they don't have the connections.
For her she gained fame because of her talent combined with who she knows.
This is probably also true, but those two viewpoints aren't mutually exclusive. She got practice/exposure to things that she wouldn't have gotten if she'd been born to virtually anyone else.there are plenty of equally connected musicians who won't get anywhere near her success because they don't have the talent
Yea Melodrama was lauded everywhere , what an odd thing to say. Actually nvm when so much these days is based on
Social media follower numbers and " Stan" culture
Not to shit on her talent or anything, but there sure seem to be immense amounts of thousands, if not millions, of dollars thrown at marketing her. I simply cannot go a week without seeing some sort of suggestion from websites about her. From YouTube's suggestions or autoplay, all the way down to my TV's OS menu's "suggestions" (ads) tried to push her on me at some point in the past months.
Yeah. Anyone who believes that the popular music industry is anything resembling a meritocracy is unbelievably ignorant. Pop music isn't about talent; it never has been and it never will be.
Or the comment was based on sales and not quality.Yea Melodrama was lauded everywhere , what an odd thing to say. Actually nvm when so much these days is based on
Social media follower numbers and " Stan" culture
You're right, that one act does dismiss my argument that the music industry systemically doesn't prioritize talent, an argument which in no way precludes the possibility that the industry's priorities may nevertheless occasionally yield a talented act (especially since getting signed to a major label means you're going to be making music for a living, giving you an opportunity not available to most people to explore your talents)!What a load of bullshit LMAO The Beatles would like a word with you.
It means that you get more exposure, more money pumped into your marketing and song writers etc. for example Cardi B is an industry made artist versus somebody that is more self made and grinded to the position
The notion that influence trumps talent is absolute nonsense. He gave you one example when he could have easily given you hundreds.You're right, that one act does dismiss my argument that the music industry systemically doesn't prioritize talent, an argument which in no way precludes the possibility that the industry's priorities may nevertheless occasionally yield a talented act (especially since getting signed to a major label means you're going to be making music for a living, giving you an opportunity not available to most people to explore your talents)!
Cardi B worked WAY WAY WAY hard, literally was in gangs in the bronx and shit releasing mixtapes while stripping. What are you talking about lol?It means that you get more exposure, more money pumped into your marketing and song writers etc. for example Cardi B is an industry made artist versus somebody that is more self made and grinded to the position
That's not what a plant means. A plant implies the artist is a puppet. Having parents in the industry doesn't automatically make one a puppet of them.Anyway, not a popular opinion I guess but "having parents or family in the industry" is exactly what industry plant means...duh. Your connections planted your success.
What does being in gangs or stripping have to do with having the best beats, best ghost writers, industry paid glowups and marketing. She wasn't put on a bruno mars song because of talent. It was a ln industry deal. And you see that she's now fading away because she doesn't have that backing like she once did and her talent won't carry herCardi B worked WAY WAY WAY hard, literally was in gangs in the bronx and shit releasing mixtapes while stripping. What are you talking about lol?
The notion that influence trumps talent is absolute nonsense. He gave you one example when he could have easily given you hundreds.
What does being in gangs or stripping have to do with having the best beats, best ghost writers, industry paid glowups and marketing. She wasn't put on a bruno mars song because of talent. It was a ln industry deal. And you see that she's now fading away because she doesn't have that backing like she once did and her talent won't carry her
You don't like mumble-whisper pop? wtf. I do like 'Bad Guy' for its interesting sound and vibe but have no interest in hearing similar stuff.Every song literally sounds like absolute garbage. Probably an old man yells at clouds statement, but I just don't get it.
I'm not arguing that influence trumps talent. In fact, I'm not even arguing a point about influence or talent. I'm saying that the pop music industry has no reason to prioritize talent because pop music fans aren't really looking for talent, they're looking for an attractive vessel through which to hear their preferred brand of focus group music.The notion that influence trumps talent is absolute nonsense. He gave you one example when he could have easily given you hundreds.
They sure can.-- Billie Eilish is talented, and works hard.
-- Improbably large, multinational corporations have pumped millions and millions of dollars into her brand, and thus will do anything in their power to see a return on that investment, regardless of how true the above is.
Both of these things can be true at the same time.
Every song literally sounds like absolute garbage. Probably an old man yells at clouds statement, but I just don't get it.
I don't think she's a plant but doesn't all that reinforce that guys statement?Lmao no she's not. Her brother had the chance to be in the room with a lot of producers, and her parents are owners of a label if I remember correctly.
She was just lucky.
Same here. I'm not even 30 years old and yet I feel super old and out of touch with modern pop music. That goes for other artists as well.Yeah.... i don't get this shit.
ok boomer me all day if yall want but yeah, i don't.
An industry plant would pretend like she doesn't have family in the business.I don't think she's a plant but doesn't all that reinforce that guys statement?
Cardi B is an industry made artist versus somebody that is more self made and grinded to the position
-- Billie Eilish is talented, and works hard.
-- Improbably large, multinational corporations have pumped millions and millions of dollars into her brand, and thus will do anything in their power to see a return on that investment, regardless of how true the above is.
Both of these things can be true at the same time.
Her music is still trash 3 years later.
Except Lorde's music is good.
Everyone this famous is "an industry plant" this isn't a meaningful criticism to level at her
I'm not a fan of her work but it's not criticism, it's a tautology
wouldnt say she looks old or anything but many 30 year old (or even 40 year old) women that look as young as her.
I don't even like pop music and I love Lorde.Lorde sucks and makes me embarrassed her garbage music represents New Zealand
Her mother voiced Samara in Mass Effect 2, oh wow. It's no wonder she has such an influence on "the industry".