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Bernie Sanders doesn't feel comfortable about Twitter Trump ban
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The response here is baffling. If you look at the actual statements it's a very reasonable position to take that someone can be for censoring information while being uncomfortable with it. He's literally saying he doesn't know the answer but he dislikes big tech having that power.
He's right tbh. It's a very weird situation and it's a decision that absolutely shouldn't be in the hands of a single tech ceo
Imagine saying this about a Jewish senator when there has been a massive increase in antisemitism the past few years.
Let's not pretend like this hasn't been a contentious debate
www.theguardian.com
No slippery slope arguments needed as Twitter has been regularly yeeting leftists accounts for years. BDS has been targeted since the Obama admin. One path to try here is that Twitter makes their banning practices way more clearer, and maybe introduce some sort of public tribunal to oversee any permanent bans.
Because we don't want that future where all discourse is ruled over and ruled by private corporations with their own internal private practices. It's worse enough now, but without at least a conversation then we will slide right into that dystopia.
Twitter, Facebook, etc. are not your friends just because they finally banned that 1 shitty dude that 1 time.
Should we celebrate Trump’s Twitter ban? Five free speech experts weigh in
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www.theguardian.com
No slippery slope arguments needed as Twitter has been regularly yeeting leftists accounts for years. BDS has been targeted since the Obama admin. One path to try here is that Twitter makes their banning practices way more clearer, and maybe introduce some sort of public tribunal to oversee any permanent bans.
Because we don't want that future where all discourse is ruled over and ruled by private corporations with their own internal private practices. It's worse enough now, but without at least a conversation then we will slide right into that dystopia.
Twitter, Facebook, etc. are not your friends just because they finally banned that 1 shitty dude that 1 time.
Trump violated Twitter's terms of service. Many times over before they finally banned him.
Apparently this was in bad taste, so I'll just say:
Donald should have been deplatformed years ago.
Donald should have been deplatformed years ago.
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I mean he should have been banned years before but not because Twitter think it's ok to ban him, Twitter thought it was ok to have him on for years and years as well as the rest of the neo nazi crew.
There should be laws forcing Twitter to ban hate speech. It shouldn't be at Twitter's discretion.
Everyone making posts about how private companies are free to do whatever, remind yourselves that you're not stanning any paragon of progressivism. Twitter/Facebook etc. are still hellholes of harassment, abuse, conspiracy, false news reporting, all the bad shit. ALL the bad shit.
There should be laws forcing Twitter to ban hate speech. It shouldn't be at Twitter's discretion.
Everyone making posts about how private companies are free to do whatever, remind yourselves that you're not stanning any paragon of progressivism. Twitter/Facebook etc. are still hellholes of harassment, abuse, conspiracy, false news reporting, all the bad shit. ALL the bad shit.
When you see the posts championing his primary losses, you know the real reason why.
This is literally what's happening right now and why he and many others are concerned.
Only way I could see concern is in the reality that ban will affect leftists disproportionately going forward. But even then I disagree. Progressives have constantly been tone policed on social media while white nationalists get ignored because it's more profitable.
I'm not gonna cheer these companies on for finally doing something as they could see the writing on the wall that it would cause legal issues if they continued to ignore it. But I'm not gonna lose sleep over it either.
I'm not gonna cheer these companies on for finally doing something as they could see the writing on the wall that it would cause legal issues if they continued to ignore it. But I'm not gonna lose sleep over it either.
$$$ rules the country. And without a country to rule, $$$ has to draw a line.
Sad when Twitter can enforce hate speech because it hurts their potential pocket more than congressman who think they can control the angry mob.
Sad when Twitter can enforce hate speech because it hurts their potential pocket more than congressman who think they can control the angry mob.
If Bernie wanted to drive that point home he should have been complaining for the last 4 years that Twitter/Facebook/Youtube etc was giving Trump special treatment. Feeling uncomfortable when they actually follow their ToS is absurd. If the President gets banned from Twitter they have plenty of government controlled ways to get their message out.
Yes, that's the problem of leaving it in the hands of big tech. It didn't matter what Trump did, because he was profitable at the time.
well, i'm not losing my sleep because an old dude who doesn't 100% understand the internet but has done more progress and helped more people than anyone else in this forum have a shitty view about this
bernie is all about stripping powers away from big tech and this sounds consistent with his positions, tbh
bernie is all about stripping powers away from big tech and this sounds consistent with his positions, tbh
It's not hard to see the terminal end to this, where political party operatives work in concert with the tech workers who control company policy to establish and enforce platform use policies that support the things they like and nuke the things that they don't like.
I don't know what the right touch here is, but self-regulating doesn't feel long-term viable.
I don't know what the right touch here is, but self-regulating doesn't feel long-term viable.
Seconding this. This is the issue others don't seem to get (or maybe they have in the past few pages; stopped here b/c I agree with you).
They excused his tweets for so long out of some importance, then had to create new guidelines to ban him - since they ignored him breaking all of the other ones.
Had they judged him like anyone else from the start, I don't know if we'd have had this many conversations about this.
EDIT: shnurgleton also had a really good, concise breakdown.
Bernie Sanders is Jewish...JFC.
Welcome to Era, where nuance and critical thinking are left at the door.
Yes, and activists and certain groups overseas are already constantly being banned and suspended. Companies like Twitter pick and choose arbitrarily who stays and who doesn't (despite their guidelines)
Trump should've been banned the moment he broke the TOS, either way. Not when he was at the very end of his term where they practically had their hand forced.
But once you give Twitter the ability to selectively apply the when and the how, it gets to the crux of his point. That Twitter's lack responsibility when it comes to information, and the way they go about it, is dangerous and irresponsible.
It'd do people well to remember that Bernie is Jewish. Using this as joke, knowing its origin, is extremely bad taste.
Oh and as an added fact, the way the quotation starts is "first they came for the socialists."
So no Bernie, don't kindly shut the fuck up.
I get the concern, though I don't think it's for the common good to have someone like Trump spouting his lies to his millions of followers on twitter either.
I agree with him, technically, but also it's Donald Trump and we really needed him to just shut the fuck up. He was spreading death and hate, and Twitter was justified by their TOS in banning him.
This is the basis of the article, from Ezra Klein Podcast. It was a single question posed to him.
www.nytimes.com
Opinion | An Unusually Optimistic Conversation With Bernie Sanders (Published 2021)
The Vermont senator discusses the Rescue Act, cancel culture, the filibuster and more.
I'm trying to imagine what responses would be if this statement were made by say, Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden or Kamala Harris.
I'll change it, but to be completely clear nothing about my opinion on either deplatforming violent insurrectionists has anything to do with Bernie being Jewish.
Probably people saying that the media is trying stir controversy
Well none of them made the comment, so that has nothing to do with this.
I agree tech companies aren't to be trusted, but banning the Presidential Turd was not the wrong call here chief.
The responses would be:
"Is this your queen?"
"Shut all the way up."
"Is this your queen?"
I don't think anyone feels "comfortable" having to do it, but it's definitely the right thing to do.
This is the basis of the article, from Ezra Klein Podcast. It was a single question posed to him.
Opinion | An Unusually Optimistic Conversation With Bernie Sanders (Published 2021)
The Vermont senator discusses the Rescue Act, cancel culture, the filibuster and more.
Wow it's almost as if when read in the correct context it seems he was fine with Trump getting banned but had issues with techbros bring the ones to do it.
SMH.
And as I've stated afterwards this is not something that started happening as a knock on effect of the Trump ban. It's been happening for years.
I do agree that some standard must be met since the TOS is not enforced equally but this was needed long before an insurrectionist was banned.
And this is the crux of the problem that no one here is keen on facing besides deflecting immediately to "Twitter is a private institution" and "he broke the TOS".
He broke the TOS many times before with no repercussions.
They promoted his tweets and other social media accounts for years.
Yet I'm supposed to be okay with them doing finally doing what they should've years ago only because their own asses were on the line.
While leftists, LGBTQ, BLM and other activists were banned for far far less.
"They're right. They have to work with Republicans. We've got to meet them in the middle".
