Oh no problem you make excellent points. Just my own opinion after all since it's always been a confusing idea to think about lol. I agree it's important to let them think for themselves. I like your idea about it, my only problem is when considering making rules for right or wrong why are we the only animals that apply a rule set. In the end though it's all very interesting stuff and it's great to converse about :)I have no idea why you would need religion for "right or wrong" or "good or bad". How can you consider any of the many religions out there an authority on good and bad? There are simple humane rules/ agreements we made that make sense. Of course, i consider all the religious writings as simply conceived by humans. All the words. And some of them make sense in the time they were written, some still make sense. Some seem ridiculous.
I'm not attacking you in any way, but how does religion give you any idea of right and wrong?
And when looking at the rest of the animal kingdom, isn't it possible there isn't a right a wrong at all? But that we have made agreements on what we as humans consider right and wrong so that we can give everyone the opportunity to realize their own pursuit of happiness without ruining the pursuit of happiness of others? We think "wrong" as having a too big of a negative impact on the pursuit of happiness of others, right? If we want to make society work, we have to make some rules. A lot of those rules come from basic empathy that results from human beings living together. If it hurts me, it will also hurt the other person, etc. Makes perfect sense to me and no need for hell or heaven. You try to do "good" because it makes sense. It's how you would like to be treated yourself.
Always interested in a conversation, by the way. I may seem harsh at times but that's just because is sincerely don't understand certain things.
I'm not the smartest person in the world but i mean well, in general.
And you're right, kids lean towards what their parents think. But some parents don't let their kids think. They tell them what to think. Not just religious people. And in that case, you're just raising a soon to be very confused kid, i think.
Also to answer you question about religion to conceive as good or bad.
1. Honestly it's not a set religion that I feel gives the Golden authority of right or wrong. I think all of them give ideas of how right and wrong should be dealt with, but then again they are made of humans which automatically makes them flawed(case in point example Christianity: Crusades, persecution, The scandal in the Vatican, etc. Hindu: The one system they got, Islam: crusades(although much less extreme)
2. To be honest I like the idea of your scenario involving right or wrong. However, it just bugs me that if that is the case then we instantly place ourselves above everything when we are just smarter apes.
3. The empathy part I fully agree with. Emotions does play a role in a lot of these type of endeavors.
4. And that last two parts I completely agree with.
I'm kinda weird but discussing this is kinda fun and interesting thing to think about.
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