With how this thread went down, I'd be surprised anyone would want to try, good faith or not.If you want to talk beyond this specific celebrity, start the thread.
With how this thread went down, I'd be surprised anyone would want to try, good faith or not.If you want to talk beyond this specific celebrity, start the thread.
It's almost like this is a thread about... Awkwafina.I mean I tried to add some nuance to this thread by bringing my own personal experience in here, to try and bring it to larger discussion, but all anyone wants to talk about is awkwafina awkwafina awkwafina. So the lesson I'm taking away from this is don't bring personal anecdotes and life experience about a certain issue that's larger than a single celebrity to a thread that's purely about criticizing that someone (who btw I said I agree with should be criticized if she's not genuine).
but all anyone wants to talk about is awkwafina awkwafina awkwafina.
I'm literally a lurker here that hasn't participated in any big discussions before, but felt the need to this time b/c I have some friends in my asian american community that speak with a blackcent most of the time due to how we grew up. That they would need to make a statement about how they naturally talk b/c there were times they didn't use their blackcents fully to someone's standards is a little belittling to me. But I also recognize the appropriation some might feel about an asian person having a blackcent. Is there a balance in that? is what i was trying to get at. There's no way in hell i'm making a thread on this lol. And now I go back to lurking.
I'm literally a lurker here that hasn't participated in any big discussions before, but felt the need to this time b/c I have some friends in my asian american community that speak with a blackcent most of the time due to how we grew up. That they would need to make a statement about how they naturally talk b/c there were times they didn't use their blackcents fully to someone's standards is a little belittling to me. But I also recognize the appropriation some might feel about an asian person having a blackcent. Is there a balance in that? is what i was trying to get at. There's no way in hell i'm making a thread on this lol. And now I go back to lurking.
I do. Even from the get go, there was something distinctly awkward about his verbal communications...
I swear we had a version of this thread when her show came out. lol
It's very weird though, Eddie Huang is basically the same too, although he admittedly owns up to the fact that he identifies with Black culture in part because there was no Asian culture when he was growing up.
With how this thread went down, I'd be surprised anyone would want to try, good faith or not.
I'm not familiar with her. Is this dumb stuff she did a few years back and has since stopped doing or she still putting on this act in her music? Not that the former would make it any better but it would at least mean that she became aware of how problematic it is.
Yeah, that's where I landed.Been following your posts and I can tell you're just trolling and arguing in bad faith.
Eddie doesn't talk the way he does as shtick, he talks that way all the time.I swear we had a version of this thread when her show came out. lol
It's very weird though, Eddie Huang is basically the same too, although he admittedly owns up to the fact that he identifies with Black culture in part because there was no Asian culture when he was growing up.
Here's a short video by Tee Noir that should be informative for anyone who doesn't know about a blaccent.I gotta admit this is the first time I've have herd the term "Blackcent". Maybe I'm more sheltered than I thought.
It's nice to see the boycott call to action is so big this time around. We need to keep the pressure on.
If people want to boycott this, they are free to do so. They don't deserve criticism for what she's brought on to herself. If Awkwafina didn't want a boycott, she should have apologised and improved after the many opportunities given to her along the way. She didn't show remorse and here is where we are. If she won't change, no one should treat her with kid gloves. If mocking black people matters less than for the greater good of Asian representation, then that's messed up.I'm not so sure a boycott is really the right thing to do, to be honest. Marvel is using the movie like a canary in a coal mine, an experiment in their own words to see if it's safe to release their predominantly white Eternals movie, and they're doing so in the middle of a pandemic that is only getting worse.
Basically Shang-Chi is going to do pretty bad at the cinema anyway, so boycotting it will only make it perform worse and a lot is riding on this movie in terms of representation and respect for Asian actors and cultures.
I think you can focus your attention on Awkwafina and getting her to apologise and reflect on using racist caricatures for laughs without dragging the first and possibly only Asian superhero movie ever made into it, y'know?
Its NOT the same. The problem is hers is exaggerated, for comic effect, isn't her normal speaking tone, with a name that looks fucked up when you factor in those other points. Huang and others speak..the way they speak. This is not that post. You guys keep on bringing it up to downplay her shit.
To be clear, I'm not trying to downplay the stuff with Awkwafina, just thinking about how Huang has made his embracing of the culture his public persona. Although though to be fair to Huang, I only know him through his public facing work so I have no idea what he's off camera, so maybe it is lived experience.Eddie doesn't talk the way he does as shtick, he talks that way all the time.
Pretty sure you have soup for brainsI'm literally a lurker here that hasn't participated in any big discussions before, but felt the need to this time b/c I have some friends in my asian american community that speak with a blackcent most of the time due to how we grew up. That they would need to make a statement about how they naturally talk b/c there were times they didn't use their blackcents fully to someone's standards is a little belittling to me. But I also recognize the appropriation some might feel about an asian person having a blackcent. Is there a balance in that? is what i was trying to get at. There's no way in hell i'm making a thread on this lol. And now I go back to lurking.
Here's a short video by Tee Noir that should be informative for anyone who doesn't know about a blaccent.
The "Blaccent": Nonblack Creators' Key to Fame
Hey everyone! In this video I'm discussing the use of a "blaccent" and AAVE online for humorous effect, specifically on TikTok. Don't be shy, leave your thou...youtu.be
And we keep seeing this cyclical thing that Era threads do where someone new doesn't bother reading any of the thread before posting and brings up dumb arguments that have already been answered."I'm not defending her, but..." the thread.
Lol, guys stop lying to yourselves.
If people want to boycott this, they are free to do so. They don't deserve criticism for what she's brought on to herself. If Awkwafina didn't want a boycott, she should have apologised and improved after the many opportunities given to her along the way. She didn't show remorse and here is where we are. If she won't change, no one should treat her with kid gloves. If mocking black people matters less than for the greater good of Asian representation, then that's messed up.
To be clear, I'm not trying to downplay the stuff with Awkwafina, just thinking about how Huang has made his embracing of the culture his public persona. Although though to be fair to Huang, I only know him through his public facing work so I have no idea what he's off camera, so maybe it is lived experience.
Still, his movie is weird. lol
Let's be blunt - Marvel is sending Shang-Chi, the first Asian superhero movie ever made in Hollywood, out to die. If it somehow succeeds, they'll pat themselves on the back and congratulate each other on how clever it was to give Asian people a superhero they can relate to. If it fails miserably at the box office there won't be a Shang-Chi 2 and Hollywood will use it as an excuse to claim that Asian actors should stick to stereotypical and frankly offensive roles like kung fu masters and convenience store owners.
That's not something I'm particularly keen on happening, but clearly you don't care that much if you think certain issues are more important than others and that it's okay to sacrifice the progress of one movement for another.
The true test as to whether pandemic and vaxx cards can derail the box office will be seen in Disney's Labor Day weekend release of Marvel's Shang-Chi and the Legend of Ten Rings. That pic is already poised to rank as the best Labor Day weekend opening of all-time at $45M over four days. The pic is fantastic, played through the roof at its world premiere in Hollywood on Monday, and is bound to overindex and make box office history. Knock on wood.
That's not something I'm particularly keen on happening, but clearly you don't care that much if you think certain issues are more important than others and that it's okay to sacrifice the progress of one movement for another.
Its NOT the same. The problem is hers is exaggerated, for comic effect, isn't her normal speaking tone, with a name that looks fucked up when you factor in those other points. Huang and others speak..the way they speak. This is not that post. You guys keep on bringing it up to downplay her shit.
no it's just the same old saw, black people are salty and sus and dislike when an Asian who grew up with them even dares to use government designated "AAVE".
which, as I pointed out earlier is bullshit. and yet it still moves. some people still keep trying to push it...
If it fails miserably at the box office there won't be a Shang-Chi 2 and Hollywood will use it as an excuse to claim that Asian actors should stick to stereotypical and frankly offensive roles like kung fu masters and convenience store owners.
so you read this and went "this is a good thing to post"no it's just the same old saw, black people are salty and sus and dislike when an Asian who grew up with them even dares to use government designated "AAVE".
which, as I pointed out earlier is bullshit. and yet it still moves. some people still keep trying to push it...
some people are trying to say this legitimately, i felt a need to point it out. yes.
Misread!!no it's just the same old saw, black people are salty and sus and dislike when an Asian who grew up with them even dares to use government designated "AAVE".
which, as I pointed out earlier is bullshit. and yet it still moves. some people still keep trying to push it...
i'm black but i'll say something. "shut up"
I misread, my bad
Won't someone please think about the box office receipts!Some of y'all will defend the stupidest things.
Like, there is literal black people in this thread saying what she is doing is offensive and some of y'all are still like "but but but"
This is a forum though. We take turns talking. Nobody's talking over anyone else.When you're in a classroom, do you talk over the teacher and add your input? Give minorities the same respect.
...What the fuck is happening here? Are we still running a defense force for this shit?
why do i always get the feeling people (who are largely outside of the issue, at that) are conversing over me and not learning shit