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Avengers: Endgame |Spoiler OT| Let's go get this son of a bitch
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Also, Clint dying wouldn't have been surprising or especially emotional compared to Widow, one of the longest tenured characters.
man I don't think a theater experience will ever beat the one I got tonight
when cap held mjollnr people went WILD
when cap held mjollnr people went WILD
Even though I've enjoyed Hawkeye and Renner's performance, arguably they offed Black Widow on the assumption that people would care more about her dying for keeps.
I honestly think the scene and sacrifice really works in a ton of ways set up not necessarily by this movie but by basically everything that came before--Black Widow in the first Avengers is introduced mid-operation, pissed that she's being interrupted, but immediately drops her current mission when she hears Barton has been compromised. A lot of the movies that come after touch on their personal bond, and it's unsurprising that when the world goes to absolute shit and Clint cannot cope with his loss he cuts off contact with a remaining person he cares about. The relationship there has been established over time without ever getting to be a real focal point of the movie, and the ultimate payoff is the reversal of the Gamora sacrifice--instead of one person destroying something they love to further their own gains, it's someone sacrificing themselves to protect someone they love. Either character trying to sacrifice themself to save the other would make sense, and the path they picked relies more heavily on people caring about Black Widow than Hawkeye.
I don't think that. In that timeline Peggy had not met that man and the only reason she did was because there was no cap for her to get together with. He didn't prevent anything, he just made something different happen. And that's fine because at the end it's a minor thing because Steve is just one man, and not as powerful as an infinity stone that's holding the fabric of reality together. Any changes he makes would be course corrected and normalised by the universe in the grand scheme of things.
Yeah, I got restless through all the other Avengers movies, but this one really flowed for me. I was fully invested.
Infinity War was better paced, that's for certain, Endgame feels like two films concepts mixed together, you have the fallout of the snap, then a time travel movie, then a war battle movie. Infinity War was just ONE DAY, so cutting between everyone kept it fast and fresh, even on rewatches, Endgame you have the whole five year time skip, time travel stuff, etc, so just in that comparison alone it's going to feel more clogged down.
What they did with Thor was wonderful and I loved the slow burn burn in the early going with a focus on all the characters.
Come to think of it, why wouldn't Nebula have warned them about what was necessary to get the soul stone?
It didn't and they are. GOTG 1 (and 2) are set in 2014, Infinity War took place in 2018.
Loki: Do you love him?
Widow: Love? No, that's for children. I owe him a debt for life.
"I don't like this character" doesn't mean "this plot is bad", it means you don't like the character.
No. GOTG takes place in 2014. IW in 2018 and Endgame in 2023. Ebony Maw even says Nebula is from 9 years in the future.
well you should feel the connection between he and nat, it's made pretty clear in avengers, age of ultron, even civil war with their little fake tussle. his kids call her auntie nat. they were going to name their next child natasha but it turned out to be a boy so they had to go with nathaniel. the clint nat relationship has been strong throughout these movies.
I would guess/hope that the Hawkeye Disney+ show will deal heavily with Clint's guilt over Natasha sacrificing herself for him, and that that will be a driving factor in his passing the mantle on to Kate Bishop.
This movie really tests on the viewer on who's been paying attention.
Well he does have the space stone with him. And even if not that then we've seen his Quantum travel suit can take coordinates for inputs, would be easy now that they have the exact coordinates of where they took the stones from. Since they all activated their time suits from those locations to get back.
Additionally he also has the hammer and could likely communicate with Heimdall to get to Asgard where he could get transports.
The time travel quest had so many great moments - character moments and fan moments:
- Cap saying hail hydra to get away with the scepter
- Cap facing off against himself and cringing a bit at the "i could do this all day" line
- Loki opportunistically zipping out with the tesseract (making you think "well what the hell are they going to do now?")
- reframing the post-battle portion of Avengers 1 to show the corruption already present in shield
- the payoff of dr strange's timestone plan, as giving it away is what convinced the ancient one to give the time stone to banner
- the ancient one's time-omniscience showing itself as she knows Dr Strange will come in 5 years' time
- gamora and war machine's little bonding moment over both being part machine
- cap's in-the-flesh encounter with Peggy that plants the seed of coming back to her and staying there
- stark's last chance to spend time with his dad — especially touching after his discovery of his dad's message to him in iron man 2
- Hawkeye and black widow expressing their love for one another in a fight to determine who'll die for the good of the universe and finally erase all the red on their respective ledgers
- Thor having the opportunity to see - and be really seen and understood - by his mother before her death. It was an encounter that finally helps him overcome his depression at failing to kill Thanos and to accept himself for who he is.
And there's more stuff I'm forgetting, but for me this was a great part of the movie.
Did you got to the bathroom in the part where Hulk yells at everyone that they can't change the past and that BTTF is all bullshit?
That scene legit near killed me. I got home at 12:30am after seeing the movie with my brother and had to rush up the stairs and kiss my 4 year of daughter on the forehead.
The kid from Iron Man 3.
Lol I literally just watched Avengers and there's a part where Black Widow talks about her past and how she massacred lots of people. Shield assuaged Clint to take her out, but instead "saved" her. It makes more sense now but the whole were best friends thing wasn't as powerful without that scene
I really doubt that they'd go to the trouble of faking every outdoor shot, but who knows.
Someone mentioned before that Sony is in charge of advertising for that movie, so large-scale fakery for the sake of that trailer is doubly unlikely.
I saw the film again today and yep, that was the hypest of hypest moment in any MCU film I've seen till date. Close 2nd being the entrance of everyone that followed later that made me kind of teary eyed even in 2nd watch. 3rd for me would perhaps be the bridge fight with immigrant song in Ragnarok.
It's a bit crazy for me to think Steve and Tony and Nat won't be a part of this anymore. :(
Out of the original 6, Thor, Hawkeye, and Hulk will still stick around in some way and then the newer heroes. I look forward to seeing where they go with this and I hope in 10 years time...we'll still be seeing Spidey on the big screen.
Out of the original 6, Thor, Hawkeye, and Hulk will still stick around in some way and then the newer heroes. I look forward to seeing where they go with this and I hope in 10 years time...we'll still be seeing Spidey on the big screen.
They don't have to fake anything. You're not going to see personal moments of struggle in a trailer like that, especially if they were trying to keep secrets for this.
It's already been said in interviews that Peter is more reluctant to be Spider-Man in FFH and just wants to enjoy his vacation, and it's almost certain that part of his motivation in that decision is what he experienced here.
Maybe this was already brought up, but I realize on top of killing off Tony and giving us Retiring age Steve, the Russo's just gave basically every OG Avenger cast member an out of the MCU. My dumbass just realized the credits sequence was the actors signing off from the films.
Black Widow is dead and could stay dead indefinitely.
Hulk's true love is dead and the gauntlet did a number to his body. I could see him playing minor supporting roles in the future but he's basically out of commission.
Thor is tricky. He's basically wants to wander the universe but he's flying off with the GotG. They'll could easily write off his absence in Vol. 3 by saying he went his own way. that escaped Loki with the Tesseract is a important plot element that they can't really have without Thor, though.
Hawkeye was basically retired like 3 movies ago and really wants to just settle in with his family. I don't see him ever coming back in any substantial way.
Black Widow is dead and could stay dead indefinitely.
Hulk's true love is dead and the gauntlet did a number to his body. I could see him playing minor supporting roles in the future but he's basically out of commission.
Thor is tricky. He's basically wants to wander the universe but he's flying off with the GotG. They'll could easily write off his absence in Vol. 3 by saying he went his own way. that escaped Loki with the Tesseract is a important plot element that they can't really have without Thor, though.
Hawkeye was basically retired like 3 movies ago and really wants to just settle in with his family. I don't see him ever coming back in any substantial way.
Random thought: Did Nebula know about the Vormir sacrifice at all? How come she didn't tell them?
I actually got spoiled that Cap would die wielding Mjolnir. idk if that was a lucky guess or they shot alternate scenes but I fully believed it, and ended up taking the focus off Iron Man for me so I was truly caught off guard when he died.
I actually got spoiled that Cap would die wielding Mjolnir. idk if that was a lucky guess or they shot alternate scenes but I fully believed it, and ended up taking the focus off Iron Man for me so I was truly caught off guard when he died.
We already know he's doing a Disney+ series with Kate Bishop, training her to be the new Hawkeye
That's what I was thinking months ago but I was also biased because I wanted Tony to live more.
Tony should have died in Iron Man 1, his whole arc since Avengers has been about stopping Thanos. He's his opposite. The Stark gauntlet was predictable. And Strange's words in IW definitely alluded to Tony needing to die.
In Ultron we saw in Steve's dream we saw that what he wants the most is to go back to be with Peggy. At the end of Ultron, he gives up on that dream because he thinks it's impossible, until he sees Peggy in the 70s.
Just watched it. Amazing film. Round of applause was given after the movie. DC stop trying Marvel won. Truly remarkable
I love how they're setting up spidey, dude at 15-16 has already fought intergalactic foes and has had the greatest mentors around him.
Dudes gonna be a monster once he figures it out!
Dudes gonna be a monster once he figures it out!
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