lol ok. my interpretation of whats happening in china is more informed and nuanced than most people who keep yelling about IP protections, but ok.Ok, you are a PRC shill. Thanks, now we know not to take you seriously at all.
lol ok. my interpretation of whats happening in china is more informed and nuanced than most people who keep yelling about IP protections, but ok.Ok, you are a PRC shill. Thanks, now we know not to take you seriously at all.
Worse than NSA spys and CIA blacksites? How. You have to show me the receipt.But would you rather be tortured by the canadian government or the chinese government ?
Well, yes that would suck, but I imagine that's not the case for the majority of people on this forum. Obviously I'm not saying that China is perfect, but I cant imagine what they could and would do with my personal data that the US government couldn't do.
you don't understand the chinese experiment. its pure autocracy...it's never been a democracy.. there is but one party. and holding elections in china is purely symbolic. they are taking the autocracy thing as far as they can to prove its a more successful model than complete* freedom we have in the US.
I don't agree with it, but i'm not gonna act like china is something out of 1984.
You know it's ok to be against both, right? And the nice thing in the US is if you're against what the current government is doing, you can vote them out. Try that in China. But don't let that stop your "both sides" bullshit argument.This probably isn't as good of s point as you think considering the US and its policy of tearing families apart and forcing babies into what are essentially prison camps.
This is good news. Apparently it's totally cool when the PRC blatently steals IP, bans most western technology services and requires "technology transfers," but it's TERRIBLY UNJUST when other countries try to punish them for it. Won't somebody think of the totalitarian police state? I need my cheap phones!
Ah, that story. I get it, Chinamen bad. Nortel's demise was its own fault.holy fuck their entire fucking telecommunications business was built off of stolen technology, specifically Nortel.
This probably isn't as good of s point as you think considering the US and its policy of tearing families apart and forcing babies into what are essentially prison camps.
Nortel was run by morons, and Huawei is still both responsible to stealing their technology and having their business based on IP theft.Ah, that story. I get it, Chinamen bad. Nortel's demise was its own fault.
And there's the whataboutism, which fails anyway because despite me thinking this piece of immigration policy is vile, they aren't putting their own citizens into reeducation camps.
Its the truth, there many reasons China beats everyone in manufacturing, including companies sharing where they get their supplies to be a le to get better prices.
Xiaomi and Huawei are selling better phones at a fraction of the prices that Apple, yet people are cheering At Huawei stopping being a competitor.
Then maybe the stakeholders should try proving it in court and get a settlement.Nortel was run by morons, and Huawei is still both responsible to stealing their technology and having their business based on IP theft.
Imagine living in 2019 and trying to spin literal gulags, colonialism, and ethnic extermination are okay because of the US border crisis.
Well, if there really are concerns of privacy with Huawei, the US can prevent their equipment from being used in 5G (Already done, it's very protectionistic and unjustified but OK) or even prevent Huawei phones from being sold in the US. (Even more unjustified, but whatever)
What is a frontal attack on market freedom is preventing all American companies from doing any business with Huawei, just like that, overnight, because of a whim of the Trumpturd.
No matter how people spin it, this is war on international trade, and it's hurting American companies as much as it does Chinese ones, and creating huge collateral damage on top of that.
I mean they are not really comparable in their scale at all. Also journalists and lawyers have gotten access to some of the US detainment center and have published extensive articles on them. How many journalists and lawyers have been able to visit the Chinese camps?I don't understand, are you suggesting that makes it better than what China is doing?
And I'd bring up the Homan Square but let's leave that for another time.
And it's not whataboutism, why constantly bring up what China is doing and ignore similar things the US has done and continues to do?
Stealing isnt the same here.You can buy a stolen game console off a truck in a back alley cheaper than you can buy one at a store. Doesn't mean it's good for the economy overall.
All things the US is guilty of in its own borders as well as abroad.
And was it a border crisis before Trump decided to start tearing families apart? I don't recall much of a crisis during the Obama years.
Well, no, its more akin to if a company stole fortnites codebase and released a modified version.Stealing isnt the same here.
Its more of a forntnite scenario where it came last, took the ideas from other games, made a more polished game free and destroyed everyone else.
Stealing isnt the same here.
Its more of a forntnite scenario where it came last, took the ideas from other games, made a more polished game free and destroyed everyone else.
Nah, it's fine, you only kill people around the world per remote control.Who are these people who can say that they'd rather be spied on by china than the US? I know the US is the great satan to many posters on Era but we we're not actively half of the way toward 1984.
I'm telling you it's cool if everybody stealingIt's easy to offer good deals when you don't need to pay for R&D. I don't think you realize how much money is spent developing a lot of the tech that goes into smartphones. As someone who works in semiconductor manufacturing, I can tell you some of these companies spend billions a year to stay on the cutting edge. For Huawei to avoid any real investment costs, it inherently gives them a massive advantage.
This must be a joke. China has stolen technology, IP, and manufacturing processes for years and unfairly enjoyed the protection of the Chinese government to protect themselves from reprocussions.Stealing isnt the same here.
Its more of a forntnite scenario where it came last, took the ideas from other games, made a more polished game free and destroyed everyone else.
I'm not defending this, but they could have done something much worse... mass exidus, constant persecution... whatever it takes to make they assimilate for fear of muslim radicalism.
I don't agree with the camps, but china made an executive decision for the long term health of the country. They are trying to make them assimalite and when they make their way out of the camp, china has put in place a lot of structures to make sure their boats also elivate in the rising tide.
I mean, does anybody who lives in the West realistically think China can do anything with data from their cell phones? The US government has more incentive to use data from its citizens to manipulate/control them. I dont give a shit if China wants to spend the man hours to translate what I type into search engines. They cant do anything with it anyway.
lol ok. my interpretation of whats happening in china is more informed and nuanced than most people who keep yelling about IP protections, but ok.
Nah, it's fine, you only kill people around the world per remote control.
It's easy to offer good deals when you don't need to pay for R&D. I don't think you realize how much money is spent developing a lot of the tech that goes into smartphones. As someone who works in semiconductor manufacturing, I can tell you some of these companies spend billions a year to stay on the cutting edge. For Huawei to avoid any real investment costs, it inherently gives them a massive advantage.
ook at the crsis with HIV medication to see what happens when you value IP protection over consumers.I'm telling you it's cool if everybody stealing
Everybody steals
No need to R&D anymore
Nobody R&Ds
???
Profit !
try being black or undocumented in the US. to say nothing of the fact that we're rapidly becoming a one-party state where the GOP can lose the popular vote by 3 million and still control every branch of govtWho are these people who can say that they'd rather be spied on by china than the US? I know the US is the great satan to many posters on Era but we we're not actively half of the way toward 1984.
China copies every little thing and sells it a lot cheaper. Vacuums, Drones, Taps, Motorcycle Housing, Scooters, you name it and AliExpress and Taobao will have it.
Great for the consumer, but sucks for the original creator.
Personally I had a product that we designed, prototyped, and finally manufactured in China. In 8 months a cheaper product was duplicated and took over our marketshare. Everything was the same, including the internals.
try being black or undocumented in the US. to say nothing of the fact that we're rapidly becoming a one-party state where the GOP can lose the popular vote by 3 million and still control every branch of govt
If you have no need for years of R&D due to corporate theft then of course you can make things cheaper. But if the other party you steal from goes out of business because they can't recoup those costs then you have no more technology or IP to steal.Stealing isnt the same here.
Its more of a forntnite scenario where it came last, took the ideas from other games, made a more polished game free and destroyed everyone else.
China copies every little thing and sells it a lot cheaper. Vacuums, Drones, Taps, Motorcycle Housing, Scooters, you name it and AliExpress and Taobao will have it.
Great for the consumer, but sucks for the original creator.
Personally I had a product that we designed, prototyped, and finally manufactured in China. In 8 months a cheaper product was duplicated and took over our marketshare. Everything was the same, including the internals.
China copies every little thing and sells it a lot cheaper. Vacuums, Drones, Taps, Motorcycle Housing, Scooters, you name it and AliExpress and Taobao will have it.
Great for the consumer, but sucks for the original creator.
Personally I had a product that we designed, prototyped, and finally manufactured in China. In 8 months a cheaper product was duplicated and took over our marketshare. Everything was the same, including the internals.
Ah, that story. I get it, Chinamen bad. Nortel's demise was its own fault.
I mean, my post specifically was in reference to people living in thr West. Obviously it wasn't a catch all statement for everyone. If I lived in China, my opinion would be the opposite.As someone livin in Vietnam currently, I'm a little closer to China than I wish to be. They could easily make me disappear if they wanted to blow the man hours on it.
While I agree with your Russia point in general, it's not about allowing or excusing one country vs the other. My point was specifically in reference to who I'd rather have spy on me. For me, China has less interest in looking at my personal data. The US has far more interest in spying on its citizens and manipulating them in a Russia-like campaign.If Russia was able to manipulate people using trending Facebook posts based on information gained by monitoring people's social media habits then Obviously China can do much more with cellphone data.
Like we already don't like when our own government does it, why the hell should we allow other countries to do it? Like hell, I'm not even US supporter and I still think that that simply letting China have its way with backdoors is lunacy
This is true and they could be targets. I dont think that applies to the vast majority of people on here though. It doesnt apply to me specifically which is why I'd rather they spy on me than the country I live in (which has a vested interest in manipulating me so that certain parties can maintain power).Well let's say you had a job at an company that China wanted data from. They could blackmail you via backdoor to do so.
I have no idea why you're quoting my post with this response. What China does to its citizens is wrong but it has nothing to do with who I'd rather have looking through my personal data. Just because I dont think China can do anything with my data doesnt mean it's a show of support for their actions.Holy shit this is something a character from Black Mirror would say.
Every defense of the PRC I've read in this thread has been a whataboutism at best and fascistic drivel like this at worst.
I don't need to realistically think anything actually, this isn't speculative fiction driven by unsubstantiated "yellow peril" xenophobia. China is actively doing things with data they're collecting from private citizens TODAY that is both incredibly invasive and highly authoritarian. There is a wealth of reporting on this from foreign watchdogs and nothing anyone has said in this thread or the others on Huawei/PRC has refuted these criticisms.
I'm not going to excuse the missteps the US government has taken against its private citizens since 9/11 but I've never once feared that criticizing my own government would get me disappeared or placed into one of China's lovely re-education camps. That is a monumental difference between how privacy is handled between these two countries that many bad faith posters in this thread are consciously choosing to ignore.
If you are alluding to armed conflict, don't, because it's not.This started as a trade war... it'll probably end in something much worse.
One could frame it as you taking a risk exploiting underpaid manufacturing workers and getting burned. Of course it's often the only choice a small business has these days, but that just means it's a cutthroat world both ways.
Ok, if this is the case then the US isn't treating China unfairly. Just giving some of China's medicine back to them in this crazy cutthroat world we live in which cuts both ways.
100% with USA in charge of 5G.Will the World be safer with china or the US in charge of 5g?
I mean, whoever is in charge will own US a favor after this.