Is it because he's a religious figure, and if he's guilty that harms the credibility of your religion or something? Or is it because of your hatred toward celebrities due to their success?
Nah, it's because they have no empathy for women.
Is it because he's a religious figure, and if he's guilty that harms the credibility of your religion or something? Or is it because of your hatred toward celebrities due to their success?
This is what we call sexually assaulted now? No, just no.
Honestly if the camera had not been zoomed in I wouldn't have noticed a thing. It's almost as if the person who noticed this was using a magnifying glass on their screen. That's not to say it was OK what he did though. Definitely seems he was aware of it though, but none of us can be 100% sure about that.
Has she spoken out about it at all?
Well, this would be taking devil's advocacy to a whole new level that not even the worst lawyers could think of:There's nothing wrong with playing devil's advocate. That way a counter-argument can be put to the test and you can see how paper-thin it is. It also prepares you if someone brings up that same counter-argument in real life (which will happen), you'll know how to respond.
If I were to guess, I think he was doing it unconsciously. He's probably gotten away with doing that type of thing for so long, it's almost involuntary. That's hardly an excuse though. What bothers me is that she was clearly uncomfortable and snapped him a few looks, yet he kept touching her inappropriately. As a preacher someone with supposed empathy, he should have picked up on that and subtly moved his hand/arm. The only thing that gives me slight pause is that he knew he was on national television with millions of people watching, I don't know if he had full conscious malicious intent because how could he think he could get away with it. But then again, maybe these old school guys think no one will notice or care even when it's in plain sight.
Yeah, wrote that on my phone and it took a bit to edit in sexism too when I thought about it.
This is what we call sexually assaulted now? No, just no.
Honestly if the camera had not been zoomed in I wouldn't have noticed a thing. It's almost as if the person who noticed this was using a magnifying glass on their screen. That's not to say it was OK what he did though. Definitely seems he was aware of it though, but none of us can be 100% sure about that.
Has she spoken out about it at all?
This is what we call sexually assaulted now? No, just no.
Honestly if the camera had not been zoomed in I wouldn't have noticed a thing. It's almost as if the person who noticed this was using a magnifying glass on their screen. That's not to say it was OK what he did though. Definitely seems he was aware of it though, but none of us can be 100% sure about that.
Has she spoken out about it at all?
The hell are you talking about. You're not saying what he did is OK but you're saying "no, this isn't what we call sexual assault"? What is it then?
Or are you just saying it isn't sexual assault because you can't be 100% sure he did it on purpose?
err why do think it's wrong what he did then? How would you describe what he did?
What is really your problem? It is obviously not the assault, so what is it?
You cracked the case! It's obviously the cameraperson's fault!This is what we call sexually assaulted now? No, just no.
Honestly if the camera had not been zoomed in I wouldn't have noticed a thing. It's almost as if the person who noticed this was using a magnifying glass on their screen. That's not to say it was OK what he did though. Definitely seems he was aware of it though, but none of us can be 100% sure about that.
Has she spoken out about it at all?
Wasn't "1 or 2" seconds though.I obviously worded that poorly. There wasn't any reason to put his arms around her like that, he could have held her shoulder or just not at all. I would argue that he was invading her personal space a little too much. I don't think many people would like to be held that close and firm.
That being said..
Was he intentionally grabbing her by her/trying to feel the breast though? A 1 or 2 second clip is not enough for me to judge that. And that's why I personally doubt if we can call that sexual assault.
Was he intentionally grabbing her by her/trying to feel the breast though?
Look I don't know about other people but if I accidentally touch someone's boob or arse I remove my hand completely instead of (let's be way too charitable) readjusting it down slightly.Was he intentionally grabbing her by her/trying to feel the breast though? A 1 or 2 second clip is not enough for me to judge that. And that's why I personally doubt if we can call that sexual assault.
Yes. And I wonder what your intentions are for not acknowledging the obvious.
I obviously worded that poorly. There wasn't any reason to put his arms around her like that, he could have held her shoulder or just not at all. I would argue that he was invading her personal space a little too much. I don't think many people would like to be held that close and firm.
That being said..
Was he intentionally grabbing her by her/trying to feel the breast though? A 1 or 2 second clip is not enough for me to judge that. And that's why I personally doubt if we can call that sexual assault.
If you think it was an accident, is the rest of the clip playing out how you expect it would if he also thought it was an accident? Anyway if you think what you think based on that footage, guess I can't say much to convince you otherwise.Lol, intentions? No intentions at all. This is why I stay out of these threads mostly. I stand by what I said, the guy should have given her her personal space. She's clearly uncomfortable with how firmly he holds her. Was the breast touch/grope on purpose or accidental? I don't know.
And I'm gonna leave it at that.
Well, this would be taking devil's advocacy to a whole new level that not even the worst lawyers could think of:
"Your honor, I hope you consider this as a misunderstanding: Only two kinds of people would do this to a woman in front of a large audience and cameras: A complete fool, or someone so used to doing this shit that it doesn't even register as sexual harassment to them... and my client isn't a fool! I rest my case."
*gives a thumbs up to the client*
Lol, intentions? No intentions at all. This is why I stay out of these threads mostly. I stand by what I said, the guy should have given her her personal space. She's clearly uncomfortable with how firmly he holds her. Was the breast touch/grope on purpose or accidental? I don't know.
And I'm gonna leave it at that.
This is what we call sexually assaulted now? No, just no.
Honestly if the camera had not been zoomed in I wouldn't have noticed a thing. It's almost as if the person who noticed this was using a magnifying glass on their screen. That's not to say it was OK what he did though. Definitely seems he was aware of it though, but none of us can be 100% sure about that.
Has she spoken out about it at all?
I obviously worded that poorly. There wasn't any reason to put his arms around her like that, he could have held her shoulder or just not at all. I would argue that he was invading her personal space a little too much. I don't think many people would like to be held that close and firm.
That being said..
Was he intentionally grabbing her by her/trying to feel the breast though? A 1 or 2 second clip is not enough for me to judge that. And that's why I personally doubt if we can call that sexual assault.
I feel that's for more intentional and serious situations, but definitely not appropriate.
Has this thread always been a constant parade of people saying it was wrong for mystery reasons but then also saying she was not groped?
Definitely intentional on his part, at best a subconscious habit from having done this many times in the past without any repercussions. As for having the gall to do it on live TV to a celebrity, wasn't there a similar case not too long ago, of a host or presenter at some event feeling up a celebrity's ass while they were posing for cameras? Must be a power trip or bragging rights thing for some people.
wtf at that gif.It was Mel B.
SMH at all the people coming out of the woodwork to justify this shit.
It loses a lot of the impact when it's played at a faster speed. When played properly you can see that he slowly ramps it up over time, and takes a while to react once he's called out. Also the gif misses the ending where he laughs it off and chases after her.It was Mel B.
SMH at all the people coming out of the woodwork to justify this shit.
Also the joke about her name is pretty terrible too... Imagine if Trump did this, The world would implode.
It was Mel B.
SMH at all the people coming out of the woodwork to justify this shit.
No, I think it's the Taylor Swift incident this poster is referring to. She took the guy to court and sued him for $1 to prove a point.
No, I think it's the Taylor Swift incident this poster is referring to. She took the guy to court and sued him for $1 to prove a point.
Pulling that shit on tv, you know what he does and did all his life without cameras to women ...It was Mel B.
SMH at all the people coming out of the woodwork to justify this shit.
I don't believe I posted anything devoid of sensibility to deserve this type of shut down. Defending your point with absolutism is just going to drive people away, and I am even on the side of finding the event very inappropriate, so fighting me is pointless.
It loses a lot of the impact when it's played at a faster speed. When played properly you can see that he slowly ramps it up over time, and takes a while to react once he's called out. Also the gif misses the ending where he laughs it off and chases after her.
He just didn't give a fuck about it (and I suppose why would he, he got off scot free).
It was actually even worse than that: after he groped her, she told her mom and her security team, and they told his bosses, which led to him being fired. THEN he had the gall to sue her.No, I think it's the Taylor Swift incident this poster is referring to. She took the guy to court and sued him for $1 to prove a point.
It loses a lot of the impact when it's played at a faster speed. When played properly you can see that he slowly ramps it up over time, and takes a while to react once he's called out. Also the gif misses the ending where he laughs it off and chases after her.
He just didn't give a fuck about it (and I suppose why would he, he got off scot free).
He's not a Catholic priest so that will quote doesn't apply to him.
So what, he's demoted or whatever right?
I don't understand even if there's no intentions, why would you hold a strange woman so close?
yeah when I take pictures with my female friends i really just accidentally grab their breast and drum my fingers trying to get a better feel
oh wait, no i don't do that, i'm not BiGBoSSMk23