All groceries stores are evil according to this thread, so we're already there.
We can't have them questioning why we have people starving when we produce enough food to feed everyone
We have people ITT saying any ownership is unethical. We're well past that.
I've shipped people off to be executed or "re-educated?" Why don't you ask me an actual question instead of simply assuming what it is i believe.
I'm using statistics from the NYHA, not anecdotes. Being that I am a landlord myself that is always actively looking to invest, I kind of have to study the local property market.
Really? Cause I literally mentioned people losing their homes in the 2008 mortgage crisis and his response was he doesn't care about them because they were landlords. That's definitely not him talking about a society that doesn't need landlords, it's him being spiteful towards them.
I'm defending the idea that owning property and renting it doesn't make a person unethical. I totally understand that if the world was a better place and everything was provided for me, I'd have an easy time in life. In fact, I absolutely do not fear this and would fully support it. Maybe you meant to reply to someone else.
So taxes are going to subsidise and keep Nestle, Betty Crocker, Coca-Cola, and other food production companies operating?
Again, those people lost investments that are inherently risky. Not caring that they made a loss on their bet is par for the course. A LOT of people lost homes/jobs/etc during 2008, landlords aren't especially deserving of sympathy.
In a socialist command economy, the citizen doesn't get a choice about having pretty or ugly vegetables*. Problem solved!
Socialists dissolving property rights of landholders because private property shouldn't exist, like the landowning peasant farmers of Ukraine, is a fast lane to massacres and ethnic cleansing, see the landowning peasant farmers of Ukraine.
I work at a produce department, we pretty much never get "ugly" fruit. Anything that's not up to snuff isn't ugly but rather rotten and non-consumable.
Yeah, and I'd feel bad for any of those people who fell on hard times. I'd not lack empathy for someone simply because they made an investment and tried to make a living for themselves. That's a weird reason to lack empathy for someone struggling. Making an investment doesn't make you a bad person. If we disagree on that then there isn't much point of going back and forth.
If they're struggling I feel bad for them. I do not feel especially bad because losing on their bet is what has them struggling.
It happens at the fucking farms. There was that whole fight not long ago for tax deductions on donating produce that wasn't grocery store standard. John Oliver did a bit on it like 4 years ago:
It eventually will come to that. As the standard of living goes up, the more people will become aware of how certain practices keep it from going forward. A family will spend a lot of their net pay on groceries. This isn't exactly feasible for a lot of families because it prevents them from actually growing their wealth overall since food prices are going up but wages aren't. Necessities to survive aren't anything that can be considered optional, so having it barred through rising costs is unethical. If we want to treat everyone equally then equal access needs to exist. Why is it ethical for a system to exist where low income families have to trade between paying their utility bill versus an extra hundred for groceries?
Does the NYHA have data on how many of the owners who lost their 2-family units ended up homeless on the street?
But they wouldn't be struggling because of their investment. Like a renter, if you lose your job or have some unexpected medical expense or something, that's the reason you are struggling. The loss of your property (or apartment in the case of the renter) is the result of that struggle. I certainly wont feel bad for one and laugh at the other because they dared to make an investment.
Doesn't say where they end up, just that they lose their homes. However the CIA factbook would tell you that most people, owner or renter, does not end up homeless after losing a property or getting evicted. Both groups just move on to something more affordable. But losing your home sucks whether you own it or rent it.
