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I thought Apple are trying to recycle all the components and parts and not throw stuff away?
Well, there's this which was posted earlier in the thread how Apple got mad at one of their recyclers for recycling their products instead of destroying them
I feel like I'm having a fever dream reading this "fuck the poors" shit on reset era dot com
I haven't laughed this hard in a while
on topic, looking over the pictures it doesn't look that hard to repair? it looks tricky but the audio components seem easily replaced even if the outer housing looks a little tricky. as for the SiP stuff, that's kinda just where the tech is headed
from the title I thought "impossible to repair" was going to be like the literally impossible to open stadia controller
I haven't laughed this hard in a while
on topic, looking over the pictures it doesn't look that hard to repair? it looks tricky but the audio components seem easily replaced even if the outer housing looks a little tricky. as for the SiP stuff, that's kinda just where the tech is headed
from the title I thought "impossible to repair" was going to be like the literally impossible to open stadia controller
yeah yeah I know, but even that seems like a stretch. the audio components are ostensibly replaceable, the caps look easy to access, and you get a fine enough tipped soldering iron in there and you could even fix a cold joint or something too. it's not ideal, but it looks fine. it's not glued or clipped together too egregiously.
now airpods on the other hand, they're complete horseshit
Fair enough. And I agree with the later, but also, add the first one, too:
HomePod Teardown
Apple’s beloved voice assistant is back again, this time in the form of a Mac Pro wearing a jacket. Siri can now (attempt to) answer your questions...
www.ifixit.com
yeesh that's rough. the shot with the xacto knife, damn. it almost looks like these little gobshites could be considered a marginal improvement over the biggunsFair enough. And I agree with the later, but also, add the first one, too:
HomePod Teardown
Apple’s beloved voice assistant is back again, this time in the form of a Mac Pro wearing a jacket. Siri can now (attempt to) answer your questions...
it's funny how similar it looks to the 2013 mac pro which, despite its weird form factor, was a delightful accessible machine
Mac Pro Late 2013 Teardown
After making its debut during the WWDC 2013 Keynote, the reimagined, reformulated Mac Pro finally arrived at iFixit's doorstep. Join us as we turn...
www.ifixit.com
That is a work of art in comparison to their latest foray into undelightfully inaccessible hell.yeesh that's rough. the shot with the xacto knife, damn. it almost looks like these little gobshites could be considered a marginal improvement over the bigguns
it's funny how similar it looks to the 2013 mac pro which, despite its weird form factor, was a delightful accessible machine
Mac Pro Late 2013 Teardown
After making its debut during the WWDC 2013 Keynote, the reimagined, reformulated Mac Pro finally arrived at iFixit's doorstep. Join us as we turn...
Seriously, that's amazing.
historically there have been a lot of macs that are really cool to take apart and work on
my favorite are the "compact macs," the classic ones from the 80s and early 90s
so beautifully compartmentalized, easy to take apart, 10/10
lmfao jesus man
What a mess of a thread, people comparing right to repair with being a gearhead or shitting on others for being poor.
Disgusting.
Disgusting.
historically there have been a lot of macs that are really cool to take apart and work on
my favorite are the "compact macs," the classic ones from the 80s and early 90s
so beautifully compartmentalized, easy to take apart, 10/10
lmfao jesus man
That looks aces!
I still have the 'lamp' one (G3?). The HDD is going and I have no clue how to get Leopard (or a modded version of Snow Leopard) on it with the new HDD. It doesn't take USB boot installs, I can't connect it to the net while booting like the newer ones. And the CD drive is on its last legs. So it just sits there, menacingly.
this is an important point to make, right to repair doesn't mean that the end user whips out their 40 bit ifixit kit to take apart their imac, it means being able to take it to somebody who can (reasonably) easily do that for you
Well, comparing right to repair with being a gearhead isn't too out of place, since corporations are fighting right to repair in the car industry as well.
But its not just the end user repairing their stuff. Its also about being able to take it to any repair shop and have them be able to fix it. Not having to rely on just the manufacturer or official repair shops.
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that's the G4, I'd love to get my hands on one someday
I poked around online a bit but I also have no clue what you could do about that. my first thought is to use another mac with disk imager to make a new installation disk, but that won't help if the optical drive is failing
when it gets to the end of its life you could worst case poke around locally and find your local raccoon (ie young dork desperate for old apple hardware to play with), maybe make like fifty bucks off it
wait a second, this is just my post but better
And also manufacturers making replacement parts and (actual) repair services available.
honestly I kind of like the tinkerer aesthetic for right to repair people even if it's bad for the movement in the long term
I spent a chunk of my summer trying to turn one of my busted compacts into a crude oscilloscope. it didn't work, but I sure did tinker damn it
I spent a chunk of my summer trying to turn one of my busted compacts into a crude oscilloscope. it didn't work, but I sure did tinker damn it
If you're in Jersey or NYC-area, you can have it for fifty lol It's the base model, or one up from it.
I've been meaning to get back around to messing with it but I have a ton of other bullshit to mess with first!
I also wanted to turn it into a lamp. There's a guide somewhere on the net... but it's just been taking up space in my closet for years now. I'm never getting around to it knowing me
Yo, this is all we ask for at the end of the day. Why hurt us so? Why?
lmao not even close! but I appreciate the offer lol
g4 lamps are fun. the compacts I linked earlier were so often turned into aquariums after becoming obsolete that they have their own wikipedia page:
Macquarium - Wikipedia
see guys, what are you going to turn a homepod mini into? the world's worst egg cup?
"the final upgrade" — as well as an affordable way to have a color Compact Mac.lmao not even close! but I appreciate the offer lol
g4 lamps are fun. the compacts I linked earlier were so often turned into aquariums after becoming obsolete that they have their own wikipedia page:
Macquarium - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
see guys, what are you going to turn a homepod mini into? the world's worst egg cup?
hell yeah.
Well, I'm glad we added a little fun and humor into this thread. It was sorely needed.
yes, indeed it was.
now everyone, you can recommence with the, what was it, poor shaming? yes everyone, carry on with your poor shaming
Apple threads always seem to be this way. And I love a lot of their products.
You can fix these things? My old ass Alexa has been acting funny for a year. I just assumed smart speakers were basically disposable. Once they stop working, only option is get a new one.
As far as I've seen, all Google and Amazon smart speakers are quite easy to repair, at least according to IFIXIT.
That's because the framing of these kinds of threads are usually "Look at this thing Apple is or isn't doing that we all knew they would or would not do anyway, doesn't that make you mad?!".
Thoughtful threads are made by thoughtful OPs.
It is a thoughtful thread. That some (or you) don't like it is another thing. Or should we just stfu and be happy that these things are happening?
And, by the way, that still doesn't give some the right to say shit like "fuck the poors" or shove the concerns away.
Just.. awful.
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I'm still reeling from fuck the poors lmfao
here of all places
edit: poor as a noun is just one of those things that just doesn't sound right, like "females"
I'm surprised that he even took that "joke" to the next level with "I'm fine as long as they keep their distance", Christ...
Yeah, that person saying "fuck the poors" is beyond reproach.
I don't think you should stay quiet, however I think there are multiple approaches to sustainability. Really, if we cared about the environment we wouldn't be buying anything but the bare minimum. If you truly care, no smart speaker should be bought - period. The world isn't so simple, and people will have their reasons for buying or not buying things. Repairability may or may not be the best approach at sustainability, depending on the product, etc. Perhaps, a smart speaker that will get thrown out when it breaks isn't a high priority to have self-servicable.
If offering a free turn in service (or even offering credit), where the company can salvage some parts, refurbish and resale, melt down for resources, gets more people to do so, is it not possible that may be better for the environment than a product that no-one knows how to repair, or would just rather not deal with it and buy a new one throwing the old one in the trash? Like, I don't have the statistics for this, so I have no idea, but it is probably not completely outside the realm of possibility that a fully modular self-repairable device, that few will repair is not inherently better for the environment.
That's the thing, we should ask for more. The right to repair is a thing that you should fight for.
Not really about just consuming the bare minimum. But overconsumption and overproduction, they are the real problem.
Reducing waste by repairing stuff is a lot better. If you make parts available for repairshops or even online, you can bet e-waste would go down. At the moment, we don't have a way to recycle all e-waste, and it's plastic the bigger offender.
And of course it's not simple.. companies fight against the right to repair for a reason. They created tgis problem to drive profit up.
Finally, always remember the triple Rs: reduce, reuse and, as a last resort, recycle.
I'm with the poster you quoted.
Every post challenging the premise of having this thread, like all the other ones, is met with condescension.
Not everyone has to or will be angry about this or the next Apple controversy. This, like the threads before it, won't change anything.
Right, but the problem is people have already given up on reduction since capitalism and all that, and so you are advocating reuse. Which is fine, except for the people who have already given up on reuse and find it too much of a nuisance.
Like I'm curious about real numbers, like ideally you are right, but (hypothetically) if 99.99% of people who get a Echo Dot just throw it out when it stops working or a new model comes out, and 1% of people who send in their old HomePod to Apple when getting a new one, which method is tangibly doing better for the environment?
Maybe Apple has done some research on this? Maybe they haven't? I don't know, in an ideal world no one would buy a useless smart speaker, in a slightly less ideal world everyone who does would repair it when it stops working, in the world we live in, most probably just toss it, so if the path of least resistance of sending in old products to their manufacturer is worse than the slightly less ideal world of self repair but better than the world as it is, IMO it's better than nothing.
Then don't post. This is a real problem, and if you want to drive by post with "it's a $99 bro, just buy another" you bet you are gonna receive condescension.
Well, of course I'm mad about it. You said it's normal, and that pisses me off. This is normalized and it shouldn't be :(
What is this? A response to your "when someone challenges the premise".
What I meant with "if you want to drive by post" wasn't meant for you, but your "premise challengers".
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No, I'm questioning the random hostility in your tone. Not everyone that disagrees is doing so to be contrarian or to go against you.
I've just, literally, seen Apple outrage on the internet going on what, 14 years now? Since I started following tech, essentially. It becomes the same stuff over and over and I guess I don't see how people are still able to be surprised that Apple will do something they disagree with. It's one of the few constants these days.
Because they one up on their shittines.
As for the other, it goes both ways.
I had to throw away a perfectly good portable speaker before just because the charging port broke, I couldn't get it open without breaking it due to a shitload of glue. You bet I'd love to have it repaired instead of spending another 100 bucks
Environment aside, do the economics even make sense for repairing sub $100 devices? Let's say something goes wrong after six months of ownership. I have to drive to the repair shop, pay for labour, and potentially pay for a part. The device will already be going for half/two thirds of its value on Kijiji by that time. the cost of repair + the opportunity cost of wasting time repairing it will exceed the value of the device.
Sorry OP I'd rather just give it away/chuck it and get a new one.
Sorry OP I'd rather just give it away/chuck it and get a new one.
Do that, fine. But that's YOUR world. You have to think not everyone lives in the U.S, not everyone thinks 99usd is cheap, not everyone will have your same problems when it comes to finding a repairshop.
As stated a few times here, some people would love to attempt a repair themselves. For instance, the charging port breaking is a $5 fix – which is common on many devices. Not this Homepod Mini tho, the big one, yes.
Look, if it was 10 bucks, I probably wouldn't complain lol but to a certain point, things should be repairable. Apple designs with the intent of no 3rd party/self repairs.
I'm not saying $100 is cheap. I'm saying I don't see a way to repair it (repair costs + opportunity costs) for less than its worth.
If $100 is a lot for you then it's probably better to get an extended warranty so you can send it back if it breaks down.
That's cool, I doubt there is a huge percentage of users who would love to attempt to repair it themselves.
I think you would be surprised how many people take repairability into consideration.