What about "Fuck Respawn"?
That's much more personal, especially on the subreddit, but the sentiment is the same as "Fuck EA".
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Apex Legends developers spark outrage after calling gamers “dicks”, “ass-hats”and “freeloaders”
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That's much more personal, especially on the subreddit, but the sentiment is the same as "Fuck EA".
Yep, as I said earlier in the thread, his feelings are probably justified but his chosen outlet made this is a disaster.
I bet all the redditors will be stunned when they leave that the apex devs don't actually see any of the money from mtx personally.
Then even more shocked when they learn that they're actual human beings with emotions who don't like getting called shit on the Internet.
Then even more shocked when they learn that they're actual human beings with emotions who don't like getting called shit on the Internet.
He's not really wrong about any of that... but it doesn't make some of the shit they're pulling any less disgusting.
while he is not wrong at all, gamers are dicks, their decision in the game was complete and utter trash. simple as that. So while i feel for the devs, they are part of the EA greed plan.
What? Saying fuck EA is not the same as 'fuck that dev in particular I hope they get fired'. No one (at least here) is saying that. EA's feelings will be allright.
Sure, but it's the consumers responsiblity to keep that in check, by NOT consuming and provide fair criticism about said practices. Companies go as far as people let them.
I think I don't follow.
Me too. They have zero impact at all. Literally complaining because they want the useless cosmetic for cheaper. It's clear. If you want it badly enough, then you'll
This is disngenuous.
F2P games build in mechanics so that free players can thrive because without them the whales won't come. There's no point buying a 200 dollar skin if there's no one to show off to, there's no point in buying gameplay advantadges if there's no one to stomp with these advantadges.
So called "freeloaders" are a core part of any succesful F2P - attempting to disparage them as if they're irrelevant to the product is at best misguided, at worst deceptive.
I generally dislike microtransactions, especially in games where you have to pay £50 for the game. But in a F2P game, I couldn't care at all about cosmetic items. I simply just wouldn't buy them. I think it's how it's done though rather than the cost of it which is the issue for me. Lootboxes are shit. The gaming industry needs to stop it. Just have a marketplace and let people buy what they want. Charge extra for it if you need to make money. But as long as consumers know exactly what they are buying and what it costs upfront, no one can complain then.
gamers are trash.
devs are gamers.
sometimes devs are trash.
we're all trash.
trash.
*stares into the void*
devs are gamers.
sometimes devs are trash.
we're all trash.
trash.
*stares into the void*
You don't need other players for paid customization to work.
There's no payer advantage in Apex Legends either.
What F2P players do for most games is provide the necessary critical mass for matchmaking.
They don't want overpriced lootboxes and overpriced skins. And they don't want to read bullshit like "we tried doing discounts but nobody buys skins for 1200 coins instead of 1800 coins" when you still need to buy 2000 coins because you have no other options.
Yeah fuck these toxic entitled gamers who don't want gambling in videogames, go Respawn, make these lootboxes $100 each to piss them off more! I don't need these cosmetics, why should I care.
Holy shit
Its hilarious that he wants to go back in time. I'd also like to go back to the time when $2.5 horse armor was considered outrageous and incredibly scummy.
Tribalism is running rampant right now, and so is outrage culture. Everyone is just trying to drum up support.
Well I mean people were getting bullied in schools for not getting the best skins in Fortnite and then you have addictive personalities that are the targets of these predatory systems. Many of them are addicts not idiots. EA and the Devs beneath them them love fleecing addicts.
Toxicity, threats, etc are never acceptable.
However the "i remember a time" framing is absurd. The poster is right pointing out that it's games that have changed, not gamers. Microtransactions, lootboxes, etc are exploitative by design. Developers and publishers need to be called out.
Yeah—the idea that F2P games with cosmetic MTX stuff only work when there is a significant number of players who haven't bought cosmetics doesn't really bear out in practice, tbh. I understand the rationale, but in reality, players' willingness to spend money on cosmetic items doesn't actually correlate to how many people don't have cosmetic items (in my experience)
There are lots of truths here, but not expresed with the right words. Totally 100% with the developers this time but them (Respawn) need to change their MTX on Apex Legends ASAP because with every new event, they make even worst decisions ( first with their market place, second with the first season pass and now with the Iron Crown event)
Yeah, but lets be real here, the f2p players dont play to do the devs a favor, they play because the devs made a quality product which they enjoy, and they get to enjoy it for free.
Fuck gamers but also calling people who play the game that you released as Free To Play freeloaders is fucking nuts
Godforbid a human being is not interested in biting into your abusive monetization system
Godforbid a human being is not interested in biting into your abusive monetization system
Ah, this again.
The only developer I know of that hires psychologists for monetization/game dev is Valve.
Why do you see it that way? Most people are okay with a f2p game offering $18 skins-- even if expensive-- as long as you can purchase it outright. Fans are comparing the $18 compared to $18 for cosmetics in other games and saying Apex's skins aren't that good, but that's not the backlash.
From what I see, the lootboxes being priced extraordinarily high is the issue. The issue is that lootboxes are designed particularly in Apex, to get you to spend a chance at winning something. The method of doing so is far more predatory than other games, if Im not mistaken.
The backlash is completely against the nature of lootboxes, as evident by many posters who are calling out that companies like EA 100% know how to exploit fans. EA knows exactly what they were attempting to do.
The backlash is against the apology that we've heard multiple times before, where EA backtracks after trying to normalize lootboxes in their games.
To many fans, this is a tired old act of companies knowing full well what they are doing, but then pretending that they made an honest mistake.
A 200 dollar skin is almost by nature exploitative.
You think only uber wealthy waste their money here?
They deserve the flack they catch for the freeloaders thing. Apex's pricing for cosmetics has consistently been warm dogshit.
Oh, absolutely.
But it's a 2 way street there... free players get a decent if incomplete experience, devs get a critical mass of players.
I gotta be honest with you ERA, I'm appalled at the amount of "it's just cosmetics" and "how they don't affect anything" posts here. It's like you're totally oblivious to how much damage these sinister models have done to people.
I didn't buy anything from Apex. But I introduced two friends to the game, and they have bought both season passes. So this freeloader gave them two paying customers. What gives?
Didn't tell a damn lie. Also, the "freeloaders" comment wasn't even an insult or in bad faith, so what the fuck.
Still, he really should have expressed himself using another kind of language. I sadly expect them to get fired soon.
As for the "they deserve some criticism for this or that", tantrums and telling hard working people to go fuck themselves etc. isnt "criticism", it's harassment. It is possible to communicate criticism without being a fucking asshole.
Still, he really should have expressed himself using another kind of language. I sadly expect them to get fired soon.
As for the "they deserve some criticism for this or that", tantrums and telling hard working people to go fuck themselves etc. isnt "criticism", it's harassment. It is possible to communicate criticism without being a fucking asshole.
I think when people get shit on day in and day out, enough is enough. I'm with the devs on this one.
This argument has always been bad and should have been kiboshed years ago. You don't have to care about cosmetics but arguing that on the whole they do not impact the player experience in a major way is disingenous.
Let's not. The systems are designed by psychologists to best manipulate addictive tendencies no one said Respawn actually staffs one. The systems are already made, Respawn just implemented them. It's like distributing a poison. You don't have to have aided in the development of the poison to get in trouble for using it.
Im staying out of this one but I will say that everybody, both inside and outside the industry, really underestimates how difficult it is to talk to consumers in the F2P market