If they ever announced a Persona game with the production levels of a Strange Journey or Devil Survivor, this forum would absolutely hate it. While if a Megaten game in this style was announced, I doubt people would mind that much. The expectations for these games are very different and I don't think this is some hard thing to accept. Not saying Persona is AAA level, but it's sold a lot as a console experience.What? People beg for handheld ports of Persona all the time, did you not see the fiasco that was P5S? Persona was never some graphics king, the art style is top notch though. And SMT hasnt been first person for a while
Persona 3 Portable was literally stripped down into a VN-esque format. No cutscenes, no walking overworldIf they ever announced a Persona game with the production levels of a Strange Journey or Devil Survivor, this forum would absolutely hate it. While if a Megaten game in this style was announced, I doubt people would mind that much. The expectations for these games are very different and I don't think this is some hard thing to accept. Not saying Persona is AAA level, but it's sold a lot as a console experience.
And as a result, there are endless demands for a P3 remake to rectify this.Persona 3 Portable was literally stripped down into a VN-esque format. No cutscenes, no walking overworld
Once again I remember a lot of people complaining about 4 being on the 3DS and using sprites.If they ever announced a Persona game with the production levels of a Strange Journey or Devil Survivor, this forum would absolutely hate it. While if a Megaten game in this style was announced, I doubt people would mind that much. The expectations for these games are very different and I don't think this is some hard thing to accept. Not saying Persona is AAA level, but it's sold a lot as a console experience.
to consolidate all the positive and negative points. There are people who prefer one over the other still. To say that Persona fans somehow are graphics snobs and dont like handheld is untrue.And as a result, there are endless demands for a P3 remake to rectify this.
I think this came more from newcomers, but there were some SMT fans who perceived it as a slight against SMT in comparison to Persona's HD console effort.Once again I remember a lot of people complaining about 4 being on the 3DS and using sprites.
Where? The old site? Like I said, it's not a big deal to most Megaten fans considering Japan's preferences and sales results. Do you really think a P6 would sell more than P5 if it had sprites and first person battles? Presentation is a way bigger part of Persona than SMT.Once again I remember a lot of people complaining about 4 being on the 3DS and using sprites.
My point is that SMT fans wouldn't complain if they got small scale games, while big Persona releases can't be like this. Comparing franchises doesn't make much sense then. People would be happier with several SMT releases with lower budget, than just one "big" game.to consolidate all the positive and negative points. There are people who prefer one over the other still. To say that Persona fans somehow are graphics snobs and dont like handheld is untrue.
I feel like most fanbases are like this. Everyone wants their big game still, but like smaller things in betweenMy point is that SMT fans wouldn't complain if they got small scale games, while big Persona releases can't be like this. Comparing franchises doesn't make much sense then. People would be happier with several SMT releases with lower budget, than just one "big" game.
I love that you somehow know how every MegaTen and Persona fan would react to everything.Where? The old site? Like I said, it's not a big deal to most Megaten fans considering Japan's preferences and sales results. Do you really think a P6 would sell more than P5 if it had sprites and first person battles? Presentation is a way bigger part of Persona than SMT.
My point is that SMT fans wouldn't complain if they got small scale games, while big Persona releases can't be like this. Comparing franchises doesn't make much sense then. People would be happier with several SMT releases with lower budget, than just one "big" game.
Where did I say I know how every Megaten and Persona fan react to things? But when people compare P5 and SMTV as the same it makes no sense because SMT is used to subfranchises with smaller budgets, it's not the same at all. Between multiple games with varying budgets and only one game, I doubt people would pick ONE game.I love that you somehow know how every MegaTen and Persona fan would react to everything.
Yes people bitched on the old site that IV was on the 3DS. The game doesn't change the fact that a lot of people complained about it. Video game fans whining about something and then buying the game anyway is not a new concept, I've done it myself.
I guarantee you if they announced some of these "low budget' games now you'd have people crying about how unfairly MegaTen was being treated compared to Persona. "Why doesn't it get the budget it deserves!"
I'm talking about mainline titles. Why do you keep bringing up spin-offs? I bring it up becuse I very much remember people complaing about IV's grapphics.Where did I say I know how every Megaten and Persona fan react to things? But when people compare P5 and SMTV as the same it makes no sense because SMT is used to subfranchises with smaller budgets, it's not the same at all. Between multiple games with varying budgets and only one game, I doubt people would pick ONE game.
I don't think people would be complaining if we got ports and smaller stuff like DeSu 3 while they develop SMTV. Did people complain about that during the 3DS gen? Nope.
Where did I say I know how every Megaten and Persona fan react to things?
Where? The old site? Like I said, it's not a big deal to most Megaten fans considering Japan's preferences and sales results. Do you really think a P6 would sell more than P5 if it had sprites and first person battles? Presentation is a way bigger part of Persona than SMT.
My point is that SMT fans wouldn't complain if they got small scale games, while big Persona releases can't be like this. Comparing franchises doesn't make much sense then. People would be happier with several SMT releases with lower budget, than just one "big" game.
Because people say "SMT is fine, it has even a game coming out eventually" when the franchise always existed as some sort of umbrella for several subfranchises with varying budgets and production levels. If this aspect dies and we only get one game, this means SMT is basically losing a lot of what made it special and god knows when a next game would be released.I'm talking about mainline titles. Why do you keep bringing up spin-offs? I bring it up becuse I very much remember people complaing about IV's grapphics.
Persona got spin-offs with weaker graphics too.
Well, well, well, the plot thickens.
I know it doesn't means anything, but I can't help by the hunch that it could be it.
Well, well, well, the plot thickens.
I know it doesn't means anything, but I can't help by the hunch that it could be it.
I actually slid into their DMs (they were open). I don't know if I'll actually get an answer and I DMed them in English. They're comments about the top brass at Atlus seem strange, but I'm wondering if they're just speculating that that's causing stuff like the storyline of Apocalypse and what's taking so long with SMTV.Why? Both SMT4 and SMT4A were received positively. No reason to doubt 5 because some dude on twitter has an obvious chip on his shoulder that Kaneko isn't doing the art anymore.
For fucks sake it was announced two years ago. Persona 5 survived so will this sheesh.
Kazuyuki Yamai, Shin Megami Tensei Series Producer
Known for: Devil Summoner: Raidou Kuzunoha series, Shin Megami Tensei IV, Shin Megami Tensei IV: Apocalypse
"Shin Megami Tensei V is currently in development. I'm extremely sorry that the lack of news since we announced the title has worried everyone. However, development itself is steadily progressing, so please rest assured. With V, it will be 14 years since the release of Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne Maniax that the series is released on a home console, and getting to use the the industry's leading Unreal Engine 4 has motivated us. The high level of freedom and work efficiency Unreal Engine 4 grants creators, coupled with Atlus' creative spirit in that we obsess over every little detail, means we will have to ask for some time until we get to the finishing touches, but everyone on the development staff is doing their absolute best. Thanks to that, we've gone through the stage of checking the performance of game scenes that have surprised our developers many times over, so we're feeling the excitement and developer advantage everyday. Finally, 2019 will be a year where we ask everyone 'various things.' Honestly, I'm full of expectation and anxiety, but I hope that the staff's efforts so far will show in a big way. It will be a little longer, but please wait for the next update."
You'll 100% see him behind the worldview on V. He did a fair bit of writing on IV, which is what he seems more focused on these days.Kaneko was the lifeblood of SMT. If you read his early interviews it's clear that it wasn't just Kaneko's art style that gave SMT a certain atmosphere, it was his worldview, intellectual interests, and general vibe which heavily influenced SMT. It's so disappointing to see Atlus pretending like he doesn't exist anymore.
I'm not entirely convinced it's malicious from the rest of the company. My main reason for this is that he was still involved in SMTIV and credited in SMTIV Apocalypse (although I don't know how much he was involved there).Kaneko was the lifeblood of SMT. If you read his early interviews it's clear that it wasn't just Kaneko's art style that gave SMT a certain atmosphere, it was his worldview, intellectual interests, and general vibe which heavily influenced SMT. It's so disappointing to see Atlus pretending like he doesn't exist anymore.
Your fear mongering is appreciated.Idk why this is bumped but I hope yall are excited for sexualized 15 year olds in smt V. You know it's coming.
I'm really not that pessimistic about it. I didn't really care for the direction IV Apocalypse went with that stuff, but I really don't expect it to be bad or even FE Fates levels of bad.Idk why this is bumped but I hope yall are excited for sexualized 15 year olds in smt V. You know it's coming.
yeah even tho him not fitting the otaku core direction the company is goin in, he's also 1 trillion years old give or take.Everything I've heard from Kaneko implies that he willingly stepped back to let fresh blood have a shot at the games. I don't think it's some conspiracy to keep him hidden in the broom closet.
mechanically and music? sure.The fear mongering in this thread is incredible. SMTV will be good