You have to take into consideration how it got there.
It is similar to how a game can sell several millions but still be deemed an underperformance.
You have to take into consideration how it got there.
-that's not truein a moment you will get the new "2020 responses" ...
- Consoles sold does not matter anymore.
- This is why they go for subscriptions instead.
- They are well set for next gen because they are getting lots of subs to their services.
- Services are the future, not consoles.
- etc.
If PS5 sells 40 million, that would not be considered a success
PS3 sold double of that and many consider it a failure.If PS5 sells 40 million, that would not be considered a success
The PC has a few Sony exclusives from this generation on or coming to PC, Detroit Become Human, Death Stranding, Horizon Zero Dawn, The Show... Rumors about Dreams coming to PC too. Sony has even published that smaller 'ready set heroes' on PC and that other Sony game Tiny Army or whatever it was called, came out on Switch.i still don't belive that sony will release their flagship titles on PC even after jasen saying that and releasing them Day one their will affects the console...
i still don't believe sony will release their games on PC
And my Samsung galaxy phone is a desktop hybrid since it has a dock that connects to a monitor. Its not a hybrid, its a 6 inch screen tablet handheld console that connects to a TV via a dock. I have a switch, it only goes in the dock to charge and I bet folks seldom use it in the dock.
Eh.....no. First the dockless Switch was available since May 2018, not 2017. And that sku is literally called "2nd unit set". It's targeting households who already own a Switch + dock and other accessories. Hence why it doesn't come with the Joy-con grip, dock, hdmi cable. An AC adapter is also NOT included. That alone says enough. The Switch is a through and through hybrid. The Switch Lite is the pure handheld.It's not a hybrid if I don't use the dock right? In japan since 2017, you've been able to buy it at ~$240 without a dock, was it still a hybrid system?
I'm not knocking the Switch, but the PSP and Nomad were able to play on the TV before too right? What I said is that the Nintendo Switch is a portable that can be used as a home console, that makes it both, but it is clearly a portable device.
The need to separate portables and home consoles have disappeared with the platform holders supporting both devices at one time anyways. The name is no longer a sales category anymore, Switch is a portable, even if you look at it as a home console device, you have to admit that it takes extra pieces of hardware to achieve this, it doesn't simply allow USB-C to HDMI, you need a separate, sometimes sold separately device, in order for it to work, and now a cheaper model has dropped that function all together to chase a lower price point.the original switch was designed and marketed as a hybrid. It's both. It's a hybrid because Nintendo says it is, and because of common parlance.
It's all semantics and opinions here, but if you want to call the Switch a portable, you are 100% correct. If you want to call it a home console or a hybrid, well you'd only be mostly accurate.Eh.....no. First the dockless Switch was available since May 2018, not 2017. And that sku is literally called "2nd unit set". It's targeting households who already own a Switch + dock and other accessories. Hence why it doesn't come with the Joy-con grip, dock, hdmi cable. An AC adapter is also NOT included. That alone says enough. The Switch is a through and through hybrid. The Switch Lite is the pure handheld.
Both stats is interpreted from this chart. Its not really clear but what is clear is handheld is favored over dock. I play sometimes when is docked too but majority of the time it used handheld. Still not a hybrid. It is clearly a portable console with a dock.Based on the last stats we have about docked/undocked usage from the end of 2017, you'd be wrong
Edit: these stats from mid 2018 tell a similar story
Looks like Microsoft will be forced to do a press event before e3 in order to change narrative.
Edit: ahhhh i see the people who still think console sales matter next gen when everything will also be sold on pc and playable on phones have arrived. Joy
Newer games like detroit become human came to PC sooner than that though, there also seems to be hints about PC getting Dreams eventually here too, also The Show is coming to PC too now. It's not just a couple games, but it isn't every game either... I think Sony is just using the PC market like Nintendo is trying to use the mobile market.what everything will be sold on PC and phones? Just because Microsoft will do it.. does not equate the others doing the same.
Nintendo will not sell their games on PC or Phone, Phone market is already doing well for them with their Phone games. Sony we don't know .. we know they have PS Now, but that still needs consoles to sell. We have rumors saying 3 year old games will come to PC, that still changes nothing.. maybe it will change soon, but what we know now is that MS is the only out of the 3 that is betting big time on subs and other platforms to play their games on.
Tbh, I don't care what you call the Switch, that's whatever. Just wanted to point out how wrong you were about almost anything about the "2nd unit set". Date available wrong and usage also wrong. It's not for people who wants a "portable-only" Switch. Because that wouldn't even work, since it doesn't come with the AC adapter.It's all semantics and opinions here, but if you want to call the Switch a portable, you are 100% correct. If you want to call it a home console or a hybrid, well you'd only be mostly accurate.
Newer games like detroit become human came to PC sooner than that though, there also seems to be hints about PC getting Dreams eventually here too, also The Show is coming to PC too now. It's not just a couple games, but it isn't every game either... I think Sony is just using the PC market like Nintendo is trying to use the mobile market.
does not fit into that .. and that was the comment I was responding to.Edit: ahhhh i see the people who still think console sales matter next gen when everything will also be sold on pc and playable on phones have arrived. Joy
The need to separate portables and home consoles have disappeared with the platform holders supporting both devices at one time anyways. The name is no longer a sales category anymore, Switch is a portable, even if you look at it as a home console device, you have to admit that it takes extra pieces of hardware to achieve this, it doesn't simply allow USB-C to HDMI, you need a separate, sometimes sold separately device, in order for it to work, and now a cheaper model has dropped that function all together to chase a lower price point.
The Switch is a portable, it can also be described as a hybrid or home console, but it is a device you can play on the go, and that feature dominates every design choice made by Nintendo, from the controllers that remove, to the screen that covers 40% of the body, to the large battery that takes up 40% of the inside space of the device.
It's all semantics and opinions here, but if you want to call the Switch a portable, you are 100% correct. If you want to call it a home console or a hybrid, well you'd only be mostly accurate.
The design is a handheld. The dock is a separate unit that connects it to the TV. They market it however they choose. Heck the WiiU is more of a hybrid in terms of design to me. Switch is a stand-alone portable console. The dock doesn't even need to exist as a USB C to HDMI cable should have worked but of course Nintendo does not allow that.the original switch was designed and marketed as a hybrid. It's both. It's a hybrid because Nintendo says it is, and because of common parlance.
well if they aren't day one then it will not effect them muchThe PC has a few Sony exclusives from this generation on or coming to PC, Detroit Become Human, Death Stranding, Horizon Zero Dawn, The Show... Rumors about Dreams coming to PC too. Sony has even published that smaller 'ready set heroes' on PC and that other Sony game Tiny Army or whatever it was called, came out on Switch.
Sony seems to be chasing the same strategy on PC as Nintendo is with mobile, the difference being that Nintendo is making separate smaller games for mobile.
no it's not....
Being wrong on the internet is a capital offense sure, but being wrong about timing is really the only thing here imo. N3DS didn't come with the AC Adapter in the states either, were these suppose to only be sold to existing customers? USB-C is a very common cord, the lack of it's inclusion isn't a big deal.Tbh, I don't care what you call the Switch, that's whatever. Just wanted to point out how wrong you were about almost anything about the "2nd unit set". Date available wrong and usage also wrong. It's not for people who wants a "portable-only" Switch. Because that wouldn't even work, since it doesn't come with the AC adapter.
Like I said, this is more about opinions than objective facts, over 10% of Switch units can't be described as hybrid consoles. All I said is that it's a portable that can be used as a home console, that is really not something bold or even outside of Nintendo's own marketing, as they show it as a portable in all their marketing and sometimes show it docked.portability is a requirement of it being a hybrid. Saying it is a hybrid console tells you everything about it and is consistent with marketing. A hybrid is a subset of portable by definition. So calling it that is correct but doesn't tell you as much as calling it a hybrid which is appropriate as well
I agree, I'm not trying to say Sony is in trouble or that all their games are going PC, I'm just pointing out things that seem to distress a lot of people I guess. Sony is going to make some money on the PC market with their games, not a bad business and if it starts effecting the Playstation brand, they could always stop doing it.
aha.. I just read yesterday that people were estimating that the Xbox One was over 60m. now.. if it really is around 50m.. then it "really" under performed.
The design is a handheld. The dock is a separate unit that connects it to the TV. They market it however they choose. Heck the WiiU is more of a hybrid in terms of design to me. Switch is a stand-alone portable console. The dock doesn't even need to exist as a USB C to HDMI cable should have worked but of course Nintendo does not allow that.
2020 not 202146M is the number if the 41M was correct a year ago.
Shy of 50M by January 2021
The Dock isn't optional but part of the Switch SKU - that's like saying the PS4 isn't a console because the Dual Shock 4 is a separate unit, making it miss a controller.The design is a handheld. The dock is a separate unit that connects it to the TV. They market it however they choose. Heck the WiiU is more of a hybrid in terms of design to me. Switch is a stand-alone portable console. The dock doesn't even need to exist as a USB C to HDMI cable should have worked but of course Nintendo does not allow that.
Actually can't believe there are still people who argue against the fact that the Switch is both a handheld and a home console nearly three years after release.The dock does need to exist because the switch can't draw enough power over USBC-HDMI to power docked mode. The dock is part of the original concept hand-in-glove. The switch requires 15v adaptor to output in docked mode I believe
The Switch can be powered by the battery to reach docked mode, you can find proof of this all over the internet with hacked Switch units. Yes it would eventually die, but the real problem with USBC to HDMI is that Switch requires a decoder chip inside the dock, so it can't be done without a custom made cord anyways, and now Nintendo sells it without the ability to connect to the TV at all, meaning that the Switch is definitely a portable, and also a hybrid or a home console some of the time.The dock does need to exist because the switch can't draw enough power over USBC-HDMI to power docked mode. The dock is part of the original concept hand-in-glove. The switch requires 15v adaptor to output in docked mode I believe
Xbox sold 41M at the end of last year and 3M this year in usa, to be above 52M they need to have sold 8M WW.
lol no.
I don't think I'm saying that it isn't a hybrid or a home console. I'm just saying it IS a portable, and at least sometimes it is also those other things.Actually can't believe there are still people who argue against the fact that the Switch is both a handheld and a home console nearly three years after release.
There's even a dedicated handheld version of the Switch, you'd think some clarity would hit them at that point.
This is the end of the gen....lol.Wait. Xbox One managed to break 50 million? Seriously?
Wow. Thought it MIGHT eek it's way to 50 by the end of the gen, but it might even clear it it seems. Not a bad turnaround from the disastrous launch.
That is not the argument being had. No one here is denying that it functions as a home console. From purely design, it is a handheld but it has a dock which makes it function as a home console. To me it is not a hybrid, Wii U is a hybrid.Actually can't believe there are still people who argue against the fact that the Switch is both a handheld and a home console nearly three years after release.
There's even a dedicated handheld version of the Switch, you'd think some clarity would hit them at that point that original version having both traits differentiates things...
its designed that way because it's intended to be a hybrid. It is marketed as a hybrid. Which is a subset of portable consoles. It's bothThe Switch can be powered by the battery to reach docked mode, you can find proof of this all over the internet with hacked Switch units. Yes it would eventually die, but the real problem with USBC to HDMI is that Switch requires a decoder chip inside the dock, so it can't be done without a custom made cord anyways, and now Nintendo sells it without the ability to connect to the TV at all, meaning that the Switch is definitely a portable, and also a hybrid or a home console some of the time.
It's a portable that also functions as a home console. It has functions of both, so it's a hybrid. I don't get what's wrong or controversial about calling it such, or what's different about calling it a hybrid from saying it functions as both a handheld and home console...That is not the argument being had. No one here is denying that it functions as a home console. From purely design, it is a handheld but it has a dock which makes it function as a home console. To me it is not a hybrid, Wii U is a hybrid.
THANK YOUThat is not the argument being had. No one here is denying that it functions as a home console. From purely design, it is a handheld but it has a dock which makes it function as a home console. To me it is not a hybrid, Wii U is a hybrid.
From the earnings thread:
I took a long hard look at XB exclusives before purchasing a PS4, all I can say is they seem to be boxing themselves into a particular selection of genres and not catering to those that Nintendo and Sony do, as far as variety on consoles Sony is killing them, and now that Nintendo have cracked the case with 3rd parties and Indies none of this is surprising.
In my very honest and simple opinion, not to dig at the Xbox because they are great consolse, but I think MS are still chasing hardware and not enough software, I couldn't find a single first-party system seller on the XB1 but found many on the PS4, I know I'm not representitive of every gamer, but I just found a lot of hardcore, masculine, shoot everything, look-how-bad-ass-i-am types of titles that simply don't appeal to me, I dunno, could be my age but I want substance in story and more emotion in those big first-party titles, and for me Nintendo & Sony have got that cracked.
Before the Xbox one I would agree with this statement nowadays I would increasingly disagree. The stigma of the dude bro console really needs to die as it's not been true for nearly a decade.