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AMD Ryzen (Zen 3) 5000 Series Announced - Available November 5th
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Disappointed with these prices - not building my rig till January - but it seems that I'll be going 3900XT after all.
I was anticipating getting the "5700X" but now that my baseline price has been bumped up along with the price increase in general do I just say fuck it and go $100 extra for the 5900X over the 5800X? Hope we'll get reviews ahead of any pre-orders, if that's a thing.
Question I don't know much about CPU's or really the nitty gritty of computers in general but how do this compare to my 3950X? Don't plan on upgrading but mabey if it's a giant upgrade I will.
Pretty disappointing prices for R7 and R5.
3700X and 3600 carried the AMD to popularity. 3800X and 3600X were failures, deeply discounted below RRP and not recommended by anyone. AMD is showing that it is, just like everyone else, not going to keep their prices low if the competition isn't there.
Regardless, eyes on the prize, I am looking to replace my 3600 with 3900X/3950X like I always planned. It is just that the debut 5000 lineup isn't going to slash the prices on the previous gen much :(
3700X and 3600 carried the AMD to popularity. 3800X and 3600X were failures, deeply discounted below RRP and not recommended by anyone. AMD is showing that it is, just like everyone else, not going to keep their prices low if the competition isn't there.
Regardless, eyes on the prize, I am looking to replace my 3600 with 3900X/3950X like I always planned. It is just that the debut 5000 lineup isn't going to slash the prices on the previous gen much :(
So the 5800x is a single 8 core CCX this time right?
Despite wanting to upgrade to more cores, I normally don't like paying more then $400-450 for a CPU.
Seems like the 5800x will be my best bang for the buck without going into $600+ territory (with tax). Then I can save a bit of cash and spend it on a better motherboard. Hopefully the 5800x is a good overclocker.
Despite wanting to upgrade to more cores, I normally don't like paying more then $400-450 for a CPU.
Seems like the 5800x will be my best bang for the buck without going into $600+ territory (with tax). Then I can save a bit of cash and spend it on a better motherboard. Hopefully the 5800x is a good overclocker.
I don't think we will see any non-X skus
Traditionally the X skus don't even come with a cooler, so I imagine AMD is just cutting the line down since X chips have better on paper specs. We may see a 5300x which should be a beast since the 3300x is well received.
Think Vegeta pre time chamber in the cell saga to Vegeta saving the world from Cell via shooting him in the back while he was doing something else.
So I've been thinking about upgrading my CPU from a 2600x so it could handle a 3080 better, but it sounds like a 3700x is a better value than the 5600?? That can't be right...
If you can get the 3700X for $250 or lower this Black Friday, I say go for it. It's been hovering around $275 lately.
Real cute that they put the "X" designation on these CPU's like there isnt going to be a standard model coming out within a couple of months at lower price points. they're milking the early adopters for all they're worth.
Alright here's my plan: Amazon right now has an insane return policy, through January 31st since their holiday shopping season has already started apparently. I'm grabbing the 3700X for sub-$300. This buys me enough time to A) really see how Zen 3 compares in real-world performance, and B) wait for stock to stabilize a bit more. If the differences are massive it's an easy exchange, if they're not then I keep the CPU and I'm happy.
Your CPU is generally going to run the same speed for a game regardless of what your screen resolution is. So your CPU will still likely see a 30% gain at 4k. They likely lowered the resolution to 1080p so that it wasn't a factor in the benchmarks.
For example, what these benchmarks would likely look like in comparison to 1440p and 4k
1080p:
CPU framerate: 30% gain
GPU Framerate: 0% gain
Overall Framerate : 30% Gain
1440p:
CPU framerate: 30% gain
GPU Framerate: 0% gain
Overall Framerate : 0-3% Gain
4k:
CPU framerate: 30% gain
GPU Framerate: 0% gain
Overall Framerate : 0-3% Gain
So, the CPU will only increase your overall framerate in a scenario where your game is CPU bottlenecked. So perhaps If you have an RTX 3090 and play at 4k, and your 4k framerate was CPU bottlenecked, then these CPUs would also help your framerate at 4k. It's also possible these CPUs could reduce hitching in games, reduce turn times in strategy games like Civilization, and will definitely future proof you more against CPU heavy next-gen games.
Edit.
I've adjusted the overall framerate numbers for 1440p-4k based on ThereAreFourNaan's comments, since he is correct that it's still possible to see small overall framerate improvements/smoothness at 4k, due to constant fluctuations in CPU and GPU load in games.
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Note that bottlenecks in reality are variable, even from frame to frame. There are plenty of games where you can see in the chart that you've "hit the GPU bottleneck", but that the chart is still sorted into the expected CPU heirarchy, just with 0.5-1 frame per second differences between them. Because some small portion of the benchmark is CPU bound, while most of it is GPU bound.
Yes, absolutely. CPU load and GPU load can both vary wildly on a per frame basis, depending on the game. The Gears 4 and 5 benchmarks do an amazing job of showing this.
So a benchmark at 4k that still shows a 0 5-1.5 fps increase could be a smoother experience overall with these CPUs, even in predominantly CPU bottlenecked games. On the other hand, 0.5-1.5 fps is well within the margin of error, so it's still possible your experience could be mostly identical with such a small benchmark report of improvement, even if the benchmark was run multiple times.
So I'm about the 50th person in this thread that's happy to have bought a 3700X a few months ago. My B350 motherboard couldn't support these new chips anyway, so I'm quite content to put my cash towards a new GPU.
Please AMD, let Big Navi be competitive on price, performance and have the bloody thing available for purchase.
Please AMD, let Big Navi be competitive on price, performance and have the bloody thing available for purchase.
Probably not. Although I did upgrade my 2600X to a 3700X. The lowest 1% frametimes are significantly better, and I figured it would be more future proof with consoles coming out with 8 cores at the end of the year.
I was waiting for this showing to decide what to pair my 3080 with, then I realized I don't know enough about cpus to see if I should build around it or just get something now.
Curious on the 5600x benchmarks from my 2700x. I like that power draw, just wish it was 8 cores instead of 6.
The price hike is just way too high.
The 5800X should have remained equal to the 3800X in pricing - which actually became obsolete due to the 3700X!
People don't realize just how far behind AMD has been for gaming than Intel, so they see just a few percent better, and even 3% worse in one case, as disappointing. Now though for the most part AMD is on top, the best consumer cpu for gaming, for the first time in 14 years. But people were expecting some supercomputer that would completely blow Intel out of the water.
Yeah I immediately got a 3700x after they announced these. $295 versus $449 for the 5800X. The performance increase is there but that's a large difference.
Really can't decide if I should wait for the 5800x or just go with a 3700x for a new build... I didn't expect this price hike, but to be honest the bigger issue is that I don't want to wait for November 5th and then for whenever I'll be able to get one (I don't expect stock to be easy to find...)
Leaning towards the 3700x currently.
Leaning towards the 3700x currently.
Other than some of the slight price increases, this is truly a jump and there is some very exciting things coming from the red camp period as somebody who happens to own an Intel right now mainly because I got a good deal on it, if I was building a PC it would be all AMD right now. I think some of you guys in reading some of the responses truly don't understand what was being said about the IPC games on top of the new level three Cash structure to where all the cores have access to the same pool. Quite an exciting time even for the local Intel fanboy. And AMD has earned all of it so hopefully that tease about the big Navi ends up being true and they can at least match 3080 performance because that would be epic and would shake up the graphics card market appropriately.
I hope I can get a 5800x around their launch date. (If there are third party impressions before) I've been waiting for years to build a new PC. My 2500k has been great but it time for a change.
Does anyone have experience with AMD CPUs around launch? I assume they'll be tough to find too.
Does anyone have experience with AMD CPUs around launch? I assume they'll be tough to find too.
I've been heavily critical of other companies for price hikes so I dont want to sound hyporcritical, but I'm baffled by these posts. 'Insane' price hike? How? Have you forgot what the launch prices were for Ryzen 3000? This is a $50 rise (this is a sizeable increase for the 5600X relative to what the 3600X cost but not for the other two SKUs). Insane would be a $150-200 increase on the 12-core or something. Or that they have the 2700X, 3700X and soon 5700X SKUs, or 5600?
Genuinely I'd like to know what's so shocking about a $50 increase, maybe I'm missing something :)
No on bought the 3600X or 3800X because they were bad value compared to the 3600 and 3700X. So the prince increase for the 5600X is 100$ and the 5800X 130$.
As the only 8 core offering available, $450 for the 5800X is terrible. Furthermore, the non-X variants have been abolished, so yes, $300 is also bad. Furthermore, the 5600X isn't going to be useful for too long, particularly as the next gen consoles feature 8 core CPUs.
The pricing for the 3000 series CPUs was excellent all around.
Oh shit has the non-X variants been abolished? That would make these reactions make sense. I was under the impression that the 5700X at least (and 5600) are coming.
Yes AMD make you pay a premium for the best bins + early adopter tax or whatever you want to call it. So that's why I would wait for the more price conscious SKUs.
Got the 3700x when it came out, looks like it was a good decision. At the time it was the most I was willing to spend on my CPU, and I went for the 8-core to try to future proof it a bit more. The 8-core price this time around would have been too much for me.
If I was AMD I think something like this would have come across much better
5600 - $229
5600X - $279
5700X - $349
5800X - $429
5900X - $549
5950X - $699
As it stands right now though, there isn't any sku that clearly justifies its value
5600 - $229
5600X - $279
5700X - $349
5800X - $429
5900X - $549
5950X - $699
As it stands right now though, there isn't any sku that clearly justifies its value