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A Song Of Memes And Laughter - Game Of Thrones Finale Meme Thread [Full Spoilers]
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Bran can warg inside other human beings and when he does so he hears their thoughts.
I can just imagine D and D reading this and being like ".............yeah! that's totally what we were going for!"
Dying to velociraptors or King Kong is one of the better outcomes.
Better than dying of terrible diseases.
Ah. Avatar is such a perfectly told story. Watching Korra, I'm convinced it was a fluke, lightning in a bottle type of situation.
Korra still has plenty of good moments, but Avatar has the benefit of being allowed three seasons to tell its arc. Korra was basically greenlit "season to season" with no advanced guarantee it would get any follow ups, so they didn't really plan anything out beyond each season.
Game of Thrones doesn't even have this excuse, because they were told what the end was going to be. They just rushed to get there.
Worth it for the memes.
Really spot on use of the GWB "miss me?" meme, since Dany is basically GoT GWB.
Which one am I describing: Invaded another continent under the guise of liberation, but motivated at least in part by daddy issues from the last war in the region (and the rest in part for personal enrichment). Took terrible advice from advisors. Killed hundreds of thousands of civilians. Has a father that was the leader and an older brother that really really wanted to be.
IIRC Korra also had a lot of network interference. The creators wanted to do the Korra/Asami storyline sooner but the network made them to go with Mako.
Biggest difference would be that Dick Cheney didn't continuously suggest that peace with Saddam Hussein would be preferable. He also wasn't the one appalled at the aftermath.
Tyrion as more Dick Cheney like woulda been kinda interesting.
It would maybe have made more sense as well. If Tyrion was using Dany's power for his own gains (and encouraged her to sack King's Landing to kill Cersei, for example, or even encouraged her kill everyone because he hates the commoners for how they treated him), then Tyrion may not have come off as dumb and Dany going "mad" could have just been everyone else not knowing Tyrion was in her ear.
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A perfect example of stan behavior. "My favorite is good, so everything else must be bad."
Pretty justified in this case, considering Daenerys was character assassinated (literally going from being one character for 71 episodes to being another for 2 episodes), while elsewhere in this season:
Jon said all of about three recurring lines and basically only existed to assassinate Dany this season; Tyrion made a profoundly offensive allusion to "First they came for the socialists," except referencing Daenerys' justifiable punishment of slavers, rapists, murderers, and lords guilty of high treason; the Starks were written OOC to distrust and disdain "outsiders," in a sexist "I don't like your girlfriend" plot (reminiscent of Sansa and Arya's catfighting last season); Jaime's character arc took on the shape of a yo-yo; etc.
Yeah, I'm not seeing what's "stan behavior" about being frustrated at how virtually every character has been handled this season, and I'm also sympathetic to taking a stand against Daenerys' character assassination, which most other main characters were hamfistedly written to help bring about — tarnishing whatever likability they had left, too.
Being upset at the writers for botching the execution of the heel turn is fine. Dany going bad was badly written, largely because there's a whole bunch of stuff in the books (both published and not) that was excised that will cause it to make much more sense.
Responding by hating all the other characters is not normal behavior. It's obsessed fan trash behavior incarnate.
Responding by pretending that this wasn't the intended endpoint of her character also isn't normal behavior. It's not "character assassination" for her to turn out to be a tyrant, especially given the way she's hardened in book 5 by the end. Yes, S1-4/books 1-3 are the fun stuff where everything's on the upswing and coming up Milhouse, much like the front half of Into The Woods or S1-3 of "The Shield." But that doesn't mean the story ends there.
The first sentence is a mischaracterization of the image you were responding to. They're not "responding by hating all the other characters"; they said: "congrats for making me dislike the other characters while trying to get me to dislike Daenerys."
Because the way the writers went about character assassinating Daenerys was by hamfisting dubious writing into all the other characters' mouths, quickly writing backwards from the intended endgoal.
And yes, it was character assassination, regardless of whether it's the "intended endpoint for her character" (which is debatable as far as the books go, with many respected book theorists leaning otherwise), precisely because of the execution. If a character's heel turn is botched so poorly that they go from being a completely different character from one episode to the next — indeed, an opposite character, enthusiastically slaughtering thousands of children, when she crucified the Masters for crucifying a hundred — that's character assassination.
She was always going to burn King's Landing and gets stabbed by Jon. How this is set up is what will differ.
It wasn't in line with Show Dany, but it's very much in line with Book Dany, who by the end of A Dance With Dragons, has decided to stop feeling guilty about the little girl her dragons burned alive to free herself to do what she must do in order to reclaim what she believes is rightfully hers.
When the hell did character assassination go from a harming a real person's reputation via malicious attacks to fiction writers writing fictional characters.
Again, quite debatable. While Daenerys has decided on a mantra of Fire and Blood at the very end of ADWD, undoubtedly to the sorrow of Volantis and Pentos, the suggestion that she'll burn King's Landing in this manner — street-by-street conflagration of its civilian populace — is still wildly out of her character. She's still fundamentally a savior and rescuer at her core.
Will King's Landing burn? Yeah, Aerys II's Chekhov's Wildfire is there for a reason. Will it happen at the same time (post-Long Night), with the same intention (fear-inspiring genocide)? Uh... no, I don't think so. It doesn't make much structural sense.
Further, this all assumes that Daenerys' character arc is done — static in darkness — for the next 2,000+ pages, which I find very difficult to believe, considering ASOIAF is about the human heart in conflict with itself, and considering it's pretty likely King's Landing's burning happens before the Long Night, where she goes to defend the realm. (Jon Snow will 100%, unequivocally, not kill Daenerys in a burning King's Landing. If she dies by his blade, it could really only be as part of the Nissa Nissa sacrifice, which occurs during the Long Night to defeat the Others. But there's solid textual argument to be made that Daenerys herself is AA, with Drogo being Nissa Nissa, and the dragons Lightbringer.)
It's a song of Ice and Fire, not Fire and Ice. The Tolkien homage and post-WWII imperialsm parallels don't work without the structure.
The whole show did nothing but repeat that all the noblemen were just talking a load of hot air about everything. Honor, oaths, legends, all a lot of hogwash that they agreed to be true... Until it wasn't. From season 1 the theme that even the most revered warriors die just like the peasants they so despise, was repeated again and again and again... For all the smoke they blew up Barristans ass, the guy was simply old. Badass swordfighter or not. That gout and arthritis must've had an effect at this point. Especially since knights ate much more unhealthy foods than basically any other part of society. Loads of fats, meat and sugar.
At his age he probably needed adult diapers and won most fights by stinking of piss and sharts.
This is a phrase used by critics when writers completely drop the ball on a character's arc, especially when it's in service to the plot points they want to reach.
Zuko's arc was so good. You think he's on the cusp of redemption, but it's not realistic. He turns his back on his uncle and achieves good graces and redemption with his father, which he thinks is what he wanted. He then realizes the error of his ways and is able to redeem himself proper.
Unlike Jamie, who goes from being thrown into the dumpster by his sister who sends someone to kill him, to coming back to her because...reasons.
By the same token, it's A Dance with Dragons -> The Winds of Winter -> A Dream of Spring, not The Winds of Winter -> A Dance with Dragons. There are myriad other interpretations of "Ice and Fire" without it needing to allude to the conflict with Ice preceding one with Fire.
We know he decided on the titles long before he knew what would make their cut. The Dance is Daenerys' conflict with Aegon and the Golden Company (Teora gave a tiny nod, chin trembling. "They were dancing. In my dream. And everywhere the dragons danced the people died."), who are primed to take King's Landing and usurp the throne before Daenerys lands.
Guess we'll just have to wait and see.
I mean, ATLA is a very high bar for any other story. It's definitely among my favourite TV shows ever; it had good character development, near-perfect pacing, incredible action and Zuko's story is possibly my favourite character arc in anything ever.
The four part finale is probably the best payoff ever.
ATLA has one of the GOAT finales - with the trajectory GOT had been on for the last few years, it was never going to reach it.
While it's true that it's not fair to compare it to ATLA, they still could've at least given us a logical, satisfying conclusion that felt earned.
This is the thing I can't get over. We kept hearing "Winter's coomin'" for eight years, the snowflakes falling on King's Landing was a legitimate "holy shit" moment, and it lasted...max, three weeks? I've survived many winters more harsh than that.
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I didn't have a big issue with the Winter thing. I always saw the coming winter as something tied to the Night King, so when he ended, winter did too.
