Ultimately, the intent doesn't matter if the outcome is still the same, people of Jewish and Muslims background would overwhelmingly be targeted by the law. I liken it to voter ID laws in America. Sure, requiring someone to have a ID to vote isn't necessarily racist but we know that if such laws were to be passed it would predominately target African American communities in a negative way which is why advocacy groups fight against it. Circumcision is an integral tenant of faith for these groups and we've seen in places where it has been banned (Iceland) Jewish and Muslim people are forced to perform the procedure themselves which actually puts children at risk or if they're lucky to be affluent enough they travel to a country where its legal and get it done there.
Religious? So odd I thought it was associated with infection. Your friends need to relax what a ridiculous thing to ends friendship over. On a side note an uncircumcised penis is a pretty ugly sight so I'm happy my parents opted for the snip
No it's not. Also from: Wikipedia:
Circumcision is the world's oldest planned surgical procedure, suggested by anatomist and hyperdiffusionisthistorian Grafton Elliot Smith to be over 15,000 years old, pre-dating recorded history. There is no firm consensus as to how it came to be practiced worldwide. One theory is that it began in one geographic area and spread from there; another is that several different cultural groups began its practice independently. In his 1891 work History of Circumcision, physician Peter Charles Remondino suggested that it began as a less severe form of emasculating a captured enemy: penectomy or castration would likely have been fatal, while some form of circumcision would permanently mark the defeated yet leave him alive to serve as a slave.[24][88]
Religious? So odd I thought it was associated with infection. Your friends need to relax what a ridiculous thing to ends friendship over. On a side note an uncircumcised penis is a pretty ugly sight so I'm happy my parents opted for the snip
He said that child often get balinitis because of the infection of the foreskin/ urinal hole.
I think cultural norms of genital aesthetics is a pretty poor reason to cut off a part of the body of a newborn. Also, there are no health benefits, it's completely unnecessary.
I don't understand people saying it looks bad uncut... it looks comfy, it looks like it should... exposing all that sensitive skin looks raw af.
I personally think it looks hideous uncircumcised so I'm happy my parents elected to do it when I was little as I would have opted for it later in life had they not anyways. Now though I would leave that choice up to my children
Does say something about your upbringing and cultural environment that you think the regular human body looks hideous. It looks normal.
One's a legal medical procedure performed by licensed doctors in every country. The other one isnt.the long and short of it is - I really can't see any material distinction between FGM and circumcision.
the long and short of it is - I really can't see any material distinction between FGM and circumcision.
Either make a case for a distinction or accept that whatever your cultural/religious preferences are, they aren't different to those of the people who practice FGM.
FGM seems to be a far more harmful 'procedure', across the board. I was circumcised as a kid (Muslim family) and okay, sure, perhaps not a fully moral thing, but it doesn't hamper my day-to-day life or cause me any pain at all.the long and short of it is - I really can't see any material distinction between FGM and circumcision.
Either make a case for a distinction or accept that whatever your cultural/religious preferences are, they aren't different to those of the people who practice FGM.
it doesn't hamper my day-to-day life or cause me any pain at all.
One's a legal medical procedure performed by licensed doctors in every country. The other one isnt.
It's hardly a surprise. Look up any study done around the visual appeal of a circumcised to uncircumcised penis and people especially women prefer the look of a circumcised one. That includes Europe which is amazing because its not even a common procedure over there (Only 20%) Now if I grew up on a farm and didn't know I had such options then yeah I might think my corn husk / ant eater was fine but I didn't and thus I don't. You thinking just cause its normal means people aren't allowed to have an opinion about it makes no sense as an argument. There are all kinds of "normal" things you can have because of the genetic lottery that may be "normal" but not pleasing to look at.
Lol. All penises are ugly. Have you ever heard of a woman complimenting the look of a man's penis? Doesn't happen.
Also it's fine to do as an elective plastic surgery. Would you give your infant daughter breast implants?
Lmao whatLol. All penises are ugly. Have you ever heard of a woman complimenting the look of a man's penis? Doesn't happen.
One's a legal medical procedure performed by licensed doctors in every country. The other one isnt.
It's a medical procedure only if there is a specific medical need. Some times there is, mostly there is not.
If a doctor is performing it, it isnt for shits and giggles.It's a medical procedure only if there is a specific medical need. Some times there is, mostly there is not.
Yeah I have heard of compliments thanks very much. I'm not advocating its okay to do it at birth I'm saying people getting upset for others that would opt for it later in life need to calm down.
Sorry to hear about your ugly ppLol. All penises are ugly. Have you ever heard of a woman complimenting the look of a man's penis? Doesn't happen.
I now feel worse for you than the OP losing their friendship. I hope you find yourself someone that compliments your penis.Lol. All penises are ugly. Have you ever heard of a woman complimenting the look of a man's penis? Doesn't happen.
Lol. All penises are ugly. Have you ever heard of a woman complimenting the look of a man's penis? Doesn't happen.
i hate this postShould we give newborn girls the niptuck too so they don't grow up with offputting beef flaps?
This is such a bad post that is just oozing with homophobia/misogyny btw.Lol. All penises are ugly. Have you ever heard of a woman complimenting the look of a man's penis? Doesn't happen.
Also it's fine to do as an elective plastic surgery. Would you give your infant daughter breast implants?
the long and short of it is - I really can't see any material distinction between FGM and circumcision.
Either make a case for a distinction or accept that whatever your cultural/religious preferences are, they aren't different to those of the people who practice FGM.