You are uncomfortable working with women. Period. That's sexism.
To be fair, saying that you're uncomfortable with anyone because of their gender, gender identity, race, religion, etc. makes you look like you're 100% part of the problem.
To be fair, saying that you're uncomfortable with anyone because of their gender, gender identity, race, religion, etc. makes you look like you're 100% part of the problem.
I don't see any immediate solution that doesn't put the onus on women to coddle men which would obviously be bullshit. Long-term, this is why positive representation for both women and positive examples for men in media is important, because it's a part of culture and that's part of where people take their cues from. We need to advocate for and celebrate women in politics and business. We need to push back against toxic masculinity and teach young men better. We men to step up and be positive examples and advocates.how do you solve this problem though? because those 60% of managers are also likely to give promotions to men because of how they feel.
The discrepancy of what?So why do you think the discrepancy exists with men then? As your logic suggests, if it happens once its worthy of being concerning, yet thats not the case here. Why is that?
If you are doing nothing wrong, what do you have to feel uncomfortable about?
If you're being monitored, obviously there would be less of a reason to be concerned. But why should it come to that? I just don't understand why people would be so paranoid about being alone with a woman. If you don't touch her and talk to her like you would your mom or grandma (i.e. respectful), then there's never a need to worry about anything ever.I did not say it was due to gender. In actuality my workspace is always monitored by cameras anyways so I am never alone in an unmonitored space with a coworker or any gender.
This thread however is specifically about men working with women so I responded with that. Any conclusions made outside of my own posts is on the user that expressed them.
If you're being monitored, obviously there would be less of a reason to be concerned. But why should it come to that? I just don't understand why people would be so paranoid about being alone with a woman. If you don't touch her and talk to her like you would your mom or grandma (i.e. respectful), then there's never a need to worry about anything ever.
If you're being monitored, obviously there would be less of a reason to be concerned. But why should it come to that? I just don't understand why people would be so paranoid about being alone with a woman. If you don't touch her and talk to her like you would your mom or grandma (i.e. respectful), then there's never a need to worry about anything ever.
Managers are risk-averse. They think that false accusations are a much bigger problem than they are. This is a problem that will pass with time, but we're in a transition phase now- one that should not be necessary, but it's gonna happen. This really does hurt women, and it's going to hurt companies too as they're going to lose out on woman talent to places that don't do this.
I suspect there's an age gap in attitudes as well. Probably a lot higher than 60% with boomer managers, a lot lower with millenial managers.
I saw a little bit of this behavior in the military 10 years ago. Some lower-level officers were uncomfortable with women (my AFSC was 40% women, despite women not even being allowed to do it until the 70s for no legitimate reason)
You don't have to go that far.talk to her like you would your mom or grandma (i.e. respectful), then there's never a need to worry about anything ever.
Let's be honest, this is probably a big part of why they are managers in the first place
lol i feel thatJoke's on you I'm uncomfortable working with 100% of all humans
I think a lot of the discussion in this thread lacks a lot of nuance.I imagine many men are uncomfortable because they don't know how not to be pieces of shit.
I don't get uncomfortable working alone with women because I know I'm not going to say or do anything offensive because I have faith in my own judgement and sensibilities.
They manage. The survey here is more about mentoring opportunities, which are more important to career advancement in the corporate world.Surely they have the introspection to realise that they're unfit to manage then, right?
It's been a while since I worked in an office environment but this sounds very thought-policey compared to how I remember it. I used to work in a small office (of a larger company), all women except for me and pretty much all day was taken up gossiping about who we fancied/didn't fancy, which of the partners' PAs and secretaries we hated/could curry favour with, who was knobbing who at the Xmas party etc, etc. That was just normal everyday gossipy work banter.You don't have to go that far.
Talk to women coworkers like you talk to your male coworkers but talk to ALL YOUR COWORKERS like they might take offense to the shit you might say because they might and eventually someone will if that's your nature, regardless of their sex.
The 3 major rules for workplace convo:
1) Don't talk about sex or attractiveness RE: anyone
2) Don't talk about religion
3) Don't talk about politics or issues that have been strongly politicised
Do not talk about these things even with your best workplace buddies if you are in earshot of other people. Just avoid these subjects all together to be safe. I have found many creative ways to avoid these conversations when co-workers bring them up.
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I think a lot of it stems from HR. When I was a supervisor they had very clear ground rules about some work related interactions. I absolutely was not allowed to have a 1 on 1 closed door meeting with any of the women I was supervising for instance. Either someone else had to be present, or the door had to be clearly open. I'd imagine the HR in most companies does their best to put men on edge about interactions with the women they manage.
Yep.I think a lot of it stems from HR. When I was a supervisor they had very clear ground rules about some work related interactions. I absolutely was not allowed to have a 1 on 1 closed door meeting with any of the women I was supervising for instance. Either someone else had to be present, or the door had to be clearly open. I'd imagine the HR in most companies does their best to put men on edge about interactions with the women they manage.
Basically sums up my office over the last 15 years. Except my office has around 150 people at our location.It's been a while since I worked in an office environment but this sounds very thought-policey compared to how I remember it. I used to work in a small office (of a larger company), all women except for me and pretty much all day was taken up gossiping about who we fancied/didn't fancy, which of the partners' PAs and secretaries we hated/could curry favour with, who was knobbing who at the Xmas party etc, etc. That was just normal everyday gossipy work banter.
You've had "intimate relationships" with people who work under you and you were never worried about your behavior getting you into trouble? Am I mistaking what you mean by "intimate" here?I work in management now. I have in the past as well. Ive had intimate relationships with superiors and with people who work under me. I have had social friendships with women and continue to have lasting friendships with them to this day. I have never once had to worry about whether my behavior will get me into trouble or that theyre frothing at the mouth to get money out of me.