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You know what I want a fix for in the next Mac OS? Or maybe there already is some trick I don't know about, but this is the most fucking annoying thing I deal with constantly and I have no idea why it's an issue:

When I open up a file in a buried folder and then next want to open up another file in a folder near that file, but not actually in that. I open navigate to the first file and open it. Then when I open it's inside that same folder. That's fine, but I cannot back out of that folder to the previous one in the hierarchy nor can I see the path to that folder to back out. Essentially if I have a file in one folder and one in a folder adjacent I have to go through the entire fucking path to those folders twice to get them open. It's annoying and I deal with it dozens and dozens of times a day.

I can't for the life of my figure out why the fuck they don't let you back up. If you select another folder you've been to recently you can back up, so this leads to me having to decide if it's quicker to find another folder I've opened recently and back into the new folder or going through the entire path.

Yeah, it does suck not having a proper way around like Windows. The quick shortcut is to hold Command and click on the folder name at the top of the finder window, it will open a drop-down of all folders above it.
 

SpankyDoodle

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They often do iPads, Apple TV or Mac hardware at WWDC but everyone asking for hardware annouments obviously hasn't read that there will be no hardware this year.
Whoops I should have said "this" WWDC, I've read those rumors too and it looks like there are going to be a loooot of disappointed people Monday afternoon...

Welp, this is do or die for me and my MBP future. My 2011 MBP is officially ready to be replaced. Whether it will be replaced with a fresh new MBP or whether I head back to PC laptops is a function of what Apple is going to offer this year, and how much GPU power it will come with.

I'm about 75% assuming I'm headed back to PC laptops and doing something like a Hackintosh on it...but I'm going to wait and see.
You shouldn't be betting the house on this WWDC, all of the rumors have been pointing to there being no new hardware (aside from some new Beats headphones) being announced tomorrow.

Edit: What to Expect at WWDC 2018: iOS 12, macOS 10.14, tvOS 12 and watchOS 5 But No Hardware

Though personally I'd love for them to be wrong because I really wanna see some iPads with the iPhone X design *drools*

Son of a bitch I copied over that text and now my font is all messed up
 
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Whoops I should have said "this" WWDC, I've read those rumors too and it looks like there are going to be a loooot of disappointed people Monday afternoon...


You shouldn't be betting the house on this WWDC, all of the rumors have been pointing to there being no new hardware (aside from some new Beats headphones) being announced tomorrow.
So no new Watch? :(
 

SpankyDoodle

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I don't think so, those usually refresh in the fall anyway don't they? I'm still on my OG Apple Watch so I'd love to see a new one compelling enough to get me to upgrade.

But we'll see the new watchOS software at least, sometimes people can glean new hardware features by things hidden or mentioned in the software details
 

Fliesen

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You know what I want a fix for in the next Mac OS? Or maybe there already is some trick I don't know about, but this is the most fucking annoying thing I deal with constantly and I have no idea why it's an issue:

When I open up a file in a buried folder and then next want to open up another file in a folder near that file, but not actually in that. I open navigate to the first file and open it. Then when I open it's inside that same folder. That's fine, but I cannot back out of that folder to the previous one in the hierarchy nor can I see the path to that folder to back out. Essentially if I have a file in one folder and one in a folder adjacent I have to go through the entire fucking path to those folders twice to get them open. It's annoying and I deal with it dozens and dozens of times a day.

I can't for the life of my figure out why the fuck they don't let you back up. If you select another folder you've been to recently you can back up, so this leads to me having to decide if it's quicker to find another folder I've opened recently and back into the new folder or going through the entire path.
right click the folder name in the finder title bar - that gives you the kind of "breadcrumb" folder tree you seem to be looking for.

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Alternatively, customize the finder toolbar and add the "path" button, which does essentially the same thing.
 

RDreamer

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right click the folder name in the finder title bar - that gives you the kind of "breadcrumb" folder tree you seem to be looking for.

Alternatively, customize the finder toolbar and add the "path" button, which does essentially the same thing.

The breadcrumb folders from the top must have been a fix at some point! Thanks so much for pointing that out. I swear to god for at least a year or so that was absolutely not the case that it'd always show the folder path there.

And you don't see the "path" button if you're opening from within photoshop for instance, which is what I was talking about.

That helps, but it still baffles me that you don't see folder path every time you open from within photoshop or something. Like, I don't understand at all why it does that. What could that choice to block off backing up or seeing the path possibly help?
 

SeanM

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I'm just tired of hearing of all these bugs making everyone's phone unusable and yet no one providing a list of concrete examples. Instead I see just what you're describing where people are describing individual little things they experienced and projecting it as a whole "this OS is a mess" type thing. How is that any more valid than my experience.

I would just love to see a list of all these bugs. Anyway, if Apple really is dedicating a year to them, I don't want a generic we focused on stability this time around. I hope they do an actual run down of all the biggest bugs they fixed. That would at least be interesting. Just like when they say we have 10 new features to focus on, I would love if they detailed specifically what they did for these issues. That way I can at least know what people were facing.

And then next year when they launch all these new features like the rumoured home screen redesign and all this other stuff, we can repeat the cycle of bug exaggeration. Or again, all these leaks are BS. I kind of hope the actual meaning of these leaks is not that they will deliberately hold back features to fix bugs, but that they aren't going to announce things that may not be ready, like messages in the cloud or payments in iMessage. Instead they'll just keep those under wraps until they're confident they can ship.

I somewhat agree that things were exaggerated, but to be honest there was a slew of emergency releases in the first month or two. iOS11 got off to an extremely rough start.

One to fix the cracking sound in their brand new iPhone 8. Another to fix the unresponsive screens in cold weather on their brand new iPhone X. Another to fix the really embarrassing auto-correct bug where you couldn't type the letter "i" without it changing into "A [?]" or whatever (imo THIS is what tanked iOS11's reputation). Another emergency fix where typing a single Indian character in iMessage could completely crash a phone. The HomeKit vulnerability fix. Spectre wasn't really their fault but that fix occured during the same timeframe. Etc etc.

There was also controversy about the WiFi/BT control center toggles not actually turning that stuff off. And the 3D Touch in the app switcher being removed. And the really stupid calculator animation bug that made the calculator app unusable/unreliable. And of course the huge battery throttling controversy. Those are just the ones I remember off the top of my head. And this was after a lot the big tentpole iOS11 features (AirPlay 2, HomePod, Apple Pay cash, Messages in iCloud, wireless charging) got delayed to future point updates so they could focus on getting things under control at launch.

To Apple's credit they did fix things fast most of the time. But for regular folks it's super annoying to have to install updates every week, especially for those who barely have any free space on their iDevices. I don't think it's such a bad idea to take a year off and really polish things.
 
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Something new for iOS would be cool, but honestly if they just make it less buggy I'd be happy. iOS apps on macOS would actually be really cool, especially if its crossplay. There are a few things like podcasts and RSS that have really good iOS apps but not so much on mac. Sometimes you just want a simple app that does one thing well.

I'm not sure why people are so crazy for a dark mode, is it an edgelord thing?

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I'm just tired of hearing of all these bugs making everyone's phone unusable and yet no one providing a list of concrete examples. Instead I see just what you're describing where people are describing individual little things they experienced and projecting it as a whole "this OS is a mess" type thing. How is that any more valid than my experience.

I would just love to see a list of all these bugs.

Unfortunately a lot of these are quality of life bugs. They're bugs you may not experience all the time, but when you do they're annoying as hell; for example, my WiFi has been atrocious on iOS11 on my home network. There's tons of little design things that once you see them they're annoying to look at.
 

XMonkey

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I'm definitely ok with Apple taking their time to smooth out iOS. They've been a bit behind with features lately, namely iCloud Messages. That was announced a year ago and we're only just getting it now? They need to clear their plate a bit first or at least stop announcing big features we aren't going to get anytime soon.
 

Fliesen

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The breadcrumb folders from the top must have been a fix at some point! Thanks so much for pointing that out. I swear to god for at least a year or so that was absolutely not the case that it'd always show the folder path there.

And you don't see the "path" button if you're opening from within photoshop for instance, which is what I was talking about.

That helps, but it still baffles me that you don't see folder path every time you open from within photoshop or something. Like, I don't understand at all why it does that. What could that choice to block off backing up or seeing the path possibly help?

care to share a screenshot of what window you're referring to exactly?
Because when opening a file in photoshop, there's literally a combo box that does what "path" would do.

Also, in finder, you can always make it "show path bar" in "View"
 

RDreamer

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care to share a screenshot of what window you're referring to exactly?
Because when opening a file in photoshop, there's literally a combo box that does what "path" would do.

Also, in finder, you can always make it "show path bar" in "View"

You're right the combo box at the top does work like that now. I didn't realize that. I'm saying I swear for a good year or so it absolutely did not. Possibly before the latest big OS release and I just never looked again.

Knowing that helps a shit-ton, but it still would be faster if it just showed the damned whole path right from the get go rather than having to click the top.

(using the column view to clarify further)
 

opticalmace

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I'm ready to upgrade my mid-2009 13" Pro lol.
My aunt's husband does a lot of amateur video editing on a 2008 macbook pro, original specs. Everytime I see him struggling with it I just want to shout "just get a new one!!!!". He likes his old machine and is very thrifty... despite owning like two $10m+ homes.

He spends hours and hours on renders (exports?) that often don't work. ~_~
 

Quick

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My aunt's husband does a lot of amateur video editing on a 2008 macbook pro, original specs. Everytime I see him struggling with it I just want to shout "just get a new one!!!!". He likes his old machine and is very thrifty... despite owning like two $10m+ homes.

He spends hours and hours on renders (exports?) that often don't work. ~_~

I installed High Sierra on mine unofficially, and I can't even get Microsoft Excel and Word to work on it properly.

I use it pretty much for web browsing these days.
 

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I somewhat agree that things were exaggerated, but to be honest there was a slew of emergency releases in the first month or two. iOS11 got off to an extremely rough start.

One to fix the cracking sound in their brand new iPhone 8. Another to fix the unresponsive screens in cold weather on their brand new iPhone X. Another to fix the really embarrassing auto-correct bug where you couldn't type the letter "i" without it changing into "A [?]" or whatever (imo THIS is what tanked iOS11's reputation). Another emergency fix where typing a single Indian character in iMessage could completely crash a phone. The HomeKit vulnerability fix. Spectre wasn't really their fault but that fix occured during the same timeframe. Etc etc.

There was also controversy about the WiFi/BT control center toggles not actually turning that stuff off. And the 3D Touch in the app switcher being removed. And the really stupid calculator animation bug that made the calculator app unusable/unreliable. And of course the huge battery throttling controversy. Those are just the ones I remember off the top of my head. And this was after a lot the big tentpole iOS11 features (AirPlay 2, HomePod, Apple Pay cash, Messages in iCloud, wireless charging) got delayed to future point updates so they could focus on getting things under control at launch.

To Apple's credit they did fix things fast most of the time. But for regular folks it's super annoying to have to install updates every week, especially for those who barely have any free space on their iDevices. I don't think it's such a bad idea to take a year off and really polish things.

This is a good summary of why I think iOS11 has this reputation
 

Quick

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Just a personal for updates: I do wish the next Apple Watch OS is substantial, but I don't exactly know what I want outside of more watch face customization options (and/or being able to fully create your own custom face).

I like my Series 3 watch, but feel like it could be better.
 

Jessie

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I want Apple Music to have more personalization. It needs more genres. More nitty, gritty details and algorithm magic to make it a suitable Spotify competitor.
 

Thunder11

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I want:

- Less bugs, smoother performance, better battery life focus
- Apple Music (better music discovery and social aspects)
- Dark mode
- Full screen safari browsing on ipx
 

Vuze

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You know what I want a fix for in the next Mac OS? Or maybe there already is some trick I don't know about, but this is the most fucking annoying thing I deal with constantly and I have no idea why it's an issue:

When I open up a file in a buried folder and then next want to open up another file in a folder near that file, but not actually in that. I open navigate to the first file and open it. Then when I open it's inside that same folder. That's fine, but I cannot back out of that folder to the previous one in the hierarchy nor can I see the path to that folder to back out. Essentially if I have a file in one folder and one in a folder adjacent I have to go through the entire fucking path to those folders twice to get them open. It's annoying and I deal with it dozens and dozens of times a day.

I can't for the life of my figure out why the fuck they don't let you back up. If you select another folder you've been to recently you can back up, so this leads to me having to decide if it's quicker to find another folder I've opened recently and back into the new folder or going through the entire path.
I can't grasp the problem from what you are describing. You can enable a clickable path bar under View and can navigate forward/backward in history as well as move up in hierarchy (see Go for hotkeys). You can also open folders in new tabs. Maybe that helps
 

RDreamer

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I can't grasp the problem from what you are describing. You can enable a clickable path bar under View and can navigate forward/backward in history as well as move up in hierarchy (see Go for hotkeys). Maybe that helps

Better description. In column view you usually see all the folder sand files that lead up to the folder you're in. So you can easily scroll backwards to get to something further back in the path without clicking on anything. Well, if you open something in a folder and then choose file > open again in Photoshop/other program (or just use the shortcut for opening within a program) it drops you into the last folder you opened from, but it shows no columns up to that point. And you can't hit the back arrow at all to go back/up in the hierarchy. As someone here pointed out to me I can now click the top drop down that names the folder I'm in to see the folders further back in the hierarchy but I'm just not sure why in the world it would drop you into a folder and not show the columns like it normally does. If you hit the drop down at the top and navigate elsewhere all the columns appear for wherever you're at, but right when you open it up, again, it drops you into a folder without the columns leading up to that folder and that's fucking irritating to me.
 

corn_fest

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Better description. In column view you usually see all the folder sand files that lead up to the folder you're in. So you can easily scroll backwards to get to something further back in the path without clicking on anything. Well, if you open something in a folder and then choose file > open again in Photoshop/other program (or just use the shortcut for opening within a program) it drops you into the last folder you opened from, but it shows no columns up to that point. And you can't hit the back arrow at all to go back/up in the hierarchy. As someone here pointed out to me I can now click the top drop down that names the folder I'm in to see the folders further back in the hierarchy but I'm just not sure why in the world it would drop you into a folder and not show the columns like it normally does. If you hit the drop down at the top and navigate elsewhere all the columns appear for wherever you're at, but right when you open it up, again, it drops you into a folder without the columns leading up to that folder and that's fucking irritating to me.

I think I know what you mean. When you open a new Finder window in column view, it doesn't show you any columns prior to the folder you started at.
For this reason, one of my most-used Finder shortcuts is CMD - Up (goes up a level). You can also find it under Go > Open Enclosing Folder.
 

Mcfrank

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don't think you'll hear anything about Mac mini until the new Mac pros are out. Depending on how modular the Mac pro's are, they will either replace the Mac mini or they'll just refresh both at the same time.

That is another year from now which would make the Mac mini they are selling 1700 days old. I wouldn't know how Cook sleeps at night selling a 4.5 year old computer at full price. I would be embarrased.
 

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That is another year from now which would make the Mac mini they are selling 1700 days old. I wouldn't know how Cook sleeps at night selling a 4.5 year old computer at full price. I would be embarrased.
I agree. The fact that it's the same price as the day it came out is pretty ugly imo. Same with selling iMacs with hard drives still inside them despite costing as much as they do. Doesn't sit well.
 

Ac30

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Did Apple drop the 13" MBP price by £50 today in the U.K. or is that just me? Hopefully it means a silent spec refresh is coming...
 

Joule

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I'm so excited for bug squashing iOS 12. I hope they can deliver so I can move on from 10.3.3
 

Camp1nCarl

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The air is still the best value MacBook on the market, so I disagree. Give it a better screen and dump the MacBook.
The problem is that all three models are priced to closely IMO.

This is going to sound incredibly pretentious (but I mean were all in the Apple ecosystem haha, so...), but if you're already going to drop $1000 for an Air what's an extra $300 for a Pro? Granted, there is a slight size difference, but otherwise it just seems silly in this day and age to get an Air over a Pro. I recognize not everyone needs a Pro (hell, my GF just got a regular MacBook last year), but they really do need to adjust the pricing on their models because right now the entry level price between all of the models is too close. I think the aggressive sales I've been seeing as well sort of corroborate my thoughts as well, but who knows besides Apple...
 
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That is another year from now which would make the Mac mini they are selling 1700 days old. I wouldn't know how Cook sleeps at night selling a 4.5 year old computer at full price. I would be embarrased.
My thoughts exactly.

Hey guys, not sure if I'll have time to finish filling out the predictions section. Doing some work for a client and it's taking a lot longer than I thought.
 

XMonkey

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Air is too expensive for what you get, especially with that crappy screen. You're right, better off just going right to the MacBook or Pro.

Apple needs to shit or get off the pot with the Air. Drop it and drop the MacBook starting price or update it properly.
 

signal

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I wonder if they are waiting for an Air refresh for ARM powered devices and some iOS / macOS tablet type hybrid for the ultra portable option, then keep the MBP line for "normal" laptops.
 

spam flakes

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I'm ready to see what's in iOS 12. I wish the redesign was in this one, but I'm more than content with a much more stable OS update. I wonder what else will be there tomorrow.
 

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I'm ready to see what's in iOS 12. I wish the redesign was in this one, but I'm more than content with a much more stable OS update. I wonder what else will be there tomorrow.

I'm not hoping for a huge redesign, but just finally giving all the built-in apps a consistent style. I don't hate the big headers like some people do, but it just has to be pervasive
 

tabris

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Except some weird volume display bug in Music app when locked, I have experienced 0 bugs. Is there a big list of the iOS11 bugs somewhere that everyone keeps complaining about?
 

SeanM

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Air is too expensive for what you get, especially with that crappy screen. You're right, better off just going right to the MacBook or Pro.

Apple needs to shit or get off the pot with the Air. Drop it and drop the MacBook starting price or update it properly.

The Air is rumored to be getting a retina display in the new refresh, which would make it a viable option imo.

- $300 cheaper than base model MacBook & MBP
- MagSafe
- Much more ports (2 USB3 + Thunderbolt + SD card slot compared to a single USB-C port on the MacBook)
- HD Facetime camera compared to 480p camera on the MacBook
- Arguably much better keyboard (imo, scissor keys > butterfly keys)

An improved and cheaper MacBook can replace the Air in the near future, but it hasn't quite gotten to that point yet imo.
 
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That is another year from now which would make the Mac mini they are selling 1700 days old. I wouldn't know how Cook sleeps at night selling a 4.5 year old computer at full price. I would be embarrased.

They kept selling the iPad 2 for how long?

People must still be buying them if the price hasn't moved. Doesn't make it right but it's not hard to see why
 

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Usually those announcements happen during some investor call, not WWDC.

they literally announced MBP spec-bumps at last WWDC, and at many WWDCs before that

there's been this weird narrative the past few years that "WWDC is a software conference and they don't usually announce hardware" but they've announced hardware at TONS of WWDCs
 

tabris

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I really hope they don't do anything with animoji's anymore. Does anyone use them?
 

pronk

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I am a bit disappointed the UI refresh has likely been pushed back a year, but some of the bugs on iOS 11 were pretty rough. Battery life was REALLY bad, and the lock screen audio controls were badly broken. I had weird audio stuttering problems for a while, and now my phone randomly rotates the screen and gets stuck in weird orientations (like upside down).

I hope they release some iPhone improvements like PiP or multitasking.