Ah lol ok. Man I'm getting gullible in my old age.
Ah lol ok. Man I'm getting gullible in my old age.
Ruffalo was big on I think MoveOn and was also quite firmly in for Sanders in '16.
Chris Evans doesn't have the right to call this beautiful any more so than men should have a say on legislating a woman's body. It's fucking gross. And no I wouldn't necesarily consider Liberals like him an ally when it comes to race. Any race conscientious White person would have taken a backseat on praising the act or at least acknowledge the myriad of racial problems along with their praise.I don't really see what's wrong with either of these things. He has empathy for the relatives of a tragedy forgiving those who wronged him and his family as part of his grieving process, and he was in a bad action movie and somehow that makes him a problematic shithead?
The dude is a ridiculously outspoken liberal (just look at his twitter profile it's mostly retweets of anti-trump stories and messages to vote blue), and fights against right wingers who try to use the image of Captain America in their messaging. I don't really see how you can ask for someone in his position to do more, but if we want to push away strong public figure allies I guess doing this level of litmus testing is a great way to start.
A lot of liberals are racially "colorblind" and when they say "I don't see race" they often are sincere, as bullshit as the phrase sounds. And this is a problem (even if superficially it sounds utopian) because it creates gaps in understanding when racial context is overlooked--for example, most white liberals aren't going to see that hug and consider the racial complexities, and only see one human forgiving another human.Chris Evans doesn't have the right to call this beautiful any more so than men should have a say on legislating a woman's body. It's fucking gross. And no I wouldn't necesarily consider Liberals like him an ally when it comes to race. Any race conscientious White person would have taken a backseat on praising the act or at least acknowledge the myriad of racial problems along with their praise.
Black Americans are in pain and divided on a lot of things that went down after the verdict, White media and people will continue to ignore our pain and celebrate undeserved forgiveness. She will be out in 5 years and the media will have Hug Part 2 TV Specials all over the place.
Chris Evans doesn't have the right to call this beautiful any more so than men should have a say on legislating a woman's body. It's fucking gross. And no I wouldn't necesarily consider Liberals like him an ally when it comes to race. Any race conscientious White person would have taken a backseat on praising the act or at least acknowledge the myriad of racial problems along with their praise.
Black Americans are in pain and divided on a lot of things that went down after the verdict, White media and people will continue to ignore our pain and celebrate undeserved forgiveness. She will be out in 5 years and the media will have Hug Part 2 TV Specials all over the place.
Chris Evans doesn't have the right to call this beautiful any more so than men should have a say on legislating a woman's body. It's fucking gross.
You can still be friends with a mass murderer? A person who tried to deny your rights? Like this isnt a simple difference of opinions.I completely agree with her. You can still be friendly to someone who doesn't agree with every single political belief as you. People are different and value different things. I am friends with plenty of people that don't think exactly as me. In fact I think it's healthy to be friends with differing options on many aspects of life.
To answer your question in the form of Ellen's situation. If GB was sitting next to me at a football game, yes, I would be friendly to him.You can still be friends with a mass murderer? A person who tried to deny your rights? Like this isnt a simple difference of opinions.
Being a war criminal isn't a difference in a opinion.I completely agree with her. You can still be friendly to someone who doesn't agree with every single political belief as you. People are different and value different things. I am friends with plenty of people that don't think exactly as me. In fact I think it's healthy to be friends with differing options on many aspects of life.
If you have fuck you money and social cachet like Ellen, you can sit wherever the hell you wantTo answer your question in the form of Ellen's situation. If GB was sitting next to me at a football game, yes, I would be friendly to him.
I completely agree with her. You can still be friendly to someone who doesn't agree with every single political belief as you. People are different and value different things. I am friends with plenty of people that don't think exactly as me. In fact I think it's healthy to be friends with differing options on many aspects of life.
Making a poor statement without the proper cultural context doesn't make them a shithead forever or invalidate his positive influence. I would agree he is not a strong positive advocate for racial problems in America, but I also don't think he's trying to make that the primary focus of the political messaging he drives. Still I don't think jumping on someone whose heart is clearly in the right place is the right way to push for support.
A lot of liberals are racially "colorblind" and when they say "I don't see race" they often are sincere, as bullshit as the phrase sounds. And this is a problem (even if superficially it sounds utopian) because it creates gaps in understanding when racial context is overlooked--for example, most white liberals aren't going to see that hug and consider the racial complexities, and only see one human forgiving another human.
That doesn't make them bad people or bad allies though.
I understand. It definitely doesn't make Liberals bad people. I'm just not so crazy about passing around the word "allies" at this point in time (nor do I give myself that title when advocating for others). There's just a terrible level of understanding across the country when it comes to this stuff, it can be frustrating when you're this outnumbered and have no chance at guiding the national narrative. I hope he can at least recognize why people took umbrage.Making a poor statement without the proper cultural context doesn't make them a shithead forever or invalidate his positive influence. I would agree he is not a strong positive advocate for racial problems in America, but I also don't think he's trying to make that the primary focus of the political messaging he drives. Still I don't think jumping on someone whose heart is clearly in the right place is the right way to push for support.
I probably am with the comparison. Sorry it's just been a frustrating news week! My point was, it's a standing issue. He and so many others who aren't Black should have chilled out, out of respect for us in general since we were all affected by this case indirectly. I'm not religious at all, I'm not mad at Brandt and just found the circumstances sad as hell.
It's not jumping on someone to point out that, maybe, if you don't have proper cultural context, maybe sit this one out. By the time Chris made that statement on Twitter, the black outrage over the situation was unavoidable (ESPECIALLY on Twitter). Chris was definitely speaking from a place of unearned authority. And this goes back to the central problem of people, even allies, not giving black culture and black grievance the proper care and respect it deserves.
We didn't need Chris Evans to say anything, and clearly, he wasn't equipped. Same goes for Ellen. This is the second time this year she's stepped on it by speaking on things she should have just stfu about. Be quiet and ignorant. Don't be loud and ignorant.
No, they are right.The term liberal implies a person who believes anyone with enough money should be free the do whatever the fuck they want.
The rest of us (working, working poor, poor) fall into one of two categories: bootlickers or progressives.
What's this video supposed to be of?
We live in a societyWe have reached an era where telling people to be kind to each other is considered terrible, spat on, vilified, and turned into something horrible. Let that sink in for a moment.
Torture and murder aren't political beliefs.I completely agree with her. You can still be friendly to someone who doesn't agree with every single political belief as you.
You know, if minorities would just hug nazis, the world would be a better place. They are only racist because they don't get enough hugs and nobody buys them an ice cream at the big game when they forget their wallet.We have reached an era where telling people to be kind to each other is considered terrible, spat on, vilified, and turned into something horrible. Let that sink in for a moment.
Are we talking about the same tweet here? Did he go on a separate rant about this, or was it just the tweet where he said "this is great"?It's not jumping on someone to point out that, maybe, if you don't have proper cultural context, maybe sit this one out. By the time Chris made that statement on Twitter, the black outrage over the situation was unavoidable (ESPECIALLY on Twitter). Chris was definitely speaking from a place of unearned authority. And this goes back to the central problem of people, even allies, not giving black culture and black grievance the proper care and respect it deserves.
We didn't need Chris Evans to say anything, and clearly, he wasn't equipped. Same goes for Ellen. This is the second time this year she's stepped on it by speaking on things she should have just stfu about. Be quiet and ignorant. Don't be loud and ignorant.
Stop being disingenuous, you know the issue runs deeper than that.We have reached an era where telling people to be kind to each other is considered terrible, spat on, vilified, and turned into something horrible. Let that sink in for a moment.
This is great.Are we talking about the same tweet here? Did he go on a separate rant about this, or was it just the tweet where he said "this is great"?
Hopefully he learned from it, but this feels like something easily forgivable, especially for someone who's probably very empathetic to why this was a problem.This is great.
He didn't need to go on a rant. By the time he tweeted that, every mention of this story was filled with black outrage. When you see that black people are having a contentious dialogue over this ruling and the forgiveness society always expects black people to have in spades for racist white women, nobody needs to know that you think this is one of the most beautiful things you ever saw.
Like, Black people jumped on Chris Evans over that for a reason.
This is not new. In fact Americans are being a lot nicer than the people of France, Germany and Norway were to the quislings after the war.We have reached an era where telling people to be kind to each other is considered terrible, spat on, vilified, and turned into something horrible. Let that sink in for a moment.
A little over a year ago, I wrote an article for this publication called, "The Liberal Rehabilitation of George W. Bush Is Complete," and so it's my regrettable duty to inform Ellen DeGeneres that her palling around with George W. Bush at a Dallas Cowboys game Sunday—and her subsequent sanctimonious defense of such as a gesture of benevolent friendship meant to heal our fractured, angry nation—is too late. Michelle Obama's Werther's Original has melted away, and there's nothing left but dry mouths and hacks.
It would be easy to get angry at Ellen's hollow gesture of comity, the post-relevant liberal trailblazer sharing her nachos with America's most prominent living homophobe, warmonger and torturer, the man who presided over what remains the greatest orgy of murderous violence in this not-as-young-as-it-used-to-be century, the heckuva-job glad-hander who sleepwalked through the deaths of perhaps 1,800 people—many of them, horrifically, by drowning—in one of the most terrible natural disasters in American history, a virulent racist who defeated another sainted American cretin, John McCain, in a South Carolina primary by accusing him of miscegenation.
But what is American public life, and especially American political liberalism, if not a perpetual Operation Paperclip—the post-war intelligence operation to smuggle useful Nazis into America so they could build us weapons against the next, bigger threat? The periods of moral convalescence vary, but the next looming national catastrophe always appears on the horizon, and the former persona non grata, who has bided his or her time by doing something respectable like sucking salaries out of think tanks or semi-retiring in laconic politeness to a family compound, slink back at the first sign the new vulgarities are even more outré and intolerable than his or her own vulgar outrages.
People will tell you—in the case of Ellen and George—that it is primarily an element of ruling class solidarity, that the millionaires and billionaires will always have more in common with each other than with you. There is certainly some truth there, but how then to explain the you-go-girl cheering of so many fans of Michelle Obama, or Ellen? It cannot be simply a matter of that old American pathology, personally misidentifying with people vastly richer than oneself through a form of aspirational Stockholm syndrome.
Nor is it a symptom of America's evangelical morality, with its fundamental belief in the power and ubiquity of personal redemption. We all know that there is no one meaner and more unforgiving than someone who believes they've been forgiven for their trespasses and redeemed for their sins, including the ones they haven't gotten around to committing just yet.
But the more fundamental problem is that Americans are too nice. That may seem like a paradox, since we are a country that blithely bombs the world and then weeps with self-pity and affronted dignity when the little people we just stomped on fail to forgive us for tearing out their fingernails. In fact, our niceness is itself a symptom of the moral obliviousness that permits us to enact atrocities in the first place. Niceness is not friendliness, not hospitality, not charity and not goodness. Niceness is the blank grin on the face of the psychopath: it is the public enactment of all the forms of love and kindness without the troublesome burden of loving anyone or treating people with kindness.
This is what an Ellen DeGeneres is really getting at when she brags about being friends with those who have "different beliefs." It is not a matter of actual emotional attachment to any system of values, and it's certainly not a matter of transcending minor political squabbles to form some approximation of a community. We are all friends with people who have different beliefs. It is quite literally nothing to brag about. For all the now-clichéd talk of America sorting itself ever more by affect and affinity group, pretty much every social person has friends with beliefs that differ—in ways large and small—radically from their own.
Rather, she is saying that it is more personally and professionally convenient just to be nice to whatever person happens to be in the same grandstand for the same spectacle of large men grievously injuring each other. It is not that there are disparate values to be bridged in order to form a diverse and tolerant society. Instead, it is hankering after the ease of a society in which there is no necessity to form a core of values beyond the practical calculation of personal and social advantage.
In 2003, not long after George W. Bush declared "major combat operations" to be over in Iraq, American soldiers kidnapped and detained an Iraqi woman not much older than Ellen DeGeneres. They took her from Samarra to Tikrit, where they forced her to stir human shit, which they set on fire with lighter fluid. When she told them she could stir no longer, a "sergeant came up to [her] and whispered in [her] ear, 'If you don't, I will tell one of the soldiers to fuck you.'"
Well, that is indeed a regrettable episode, but I'm sure everyone learned a valuable lesson, and it is certainly not—16 years later—a reason to be rude to the guy responsible.
If told myself back in 2004 that liberals would rewrite GWB into a goofy uncle with silly opinions I wouldn't believe it.
So how many mass murderers of Muslims are you friends with? Just a difference in opinion. 🤷♂️I completely agree with her. You can still be friendly to someone who doesn't agree with every single political belief as you. People are different and value different things. I am friends with plenty of people that don't think exactly as me. In fact I think it's healthy to be friends with differing options on many aspects of life.
I completely agree with her. You can still be friendly to someone who doesn't agree with every single political belief as you. People are different and value different things. I am friends with plenty of people that don't think exactly as me. In fact I think it's healthy to be friends with differing options on many aspects of life.
2004 is when St. Reagan died and liberals were waxing his balls then, so not much of a stretch that the same would happen to Dubya's fool ass.
And it's mostly the same group leading the charge - wealthy boomers who always dream to the "good ol days", which constantly changes because the Repubs have been driving off the insane cliff for the past 40 years and shifting the overton window to fascism.
Been having good hugging-&-palling-it-out-even-though-we-have-our-disagreements sessions w/George ZImmerman, Daniel Pantaleo, Patrick Crusius and co lately? They all just need a hug & a pal, right?We have reached an era where telling people to be kind to each other is considered terrible, spat on, vilified, and turned into something horrible. Let that sink in for a moment.
We have reached an era where telling people to be kind to each other is considered terrible, spat on, vilified, and turned into something horrible. Let that sink in for a moment.
We have reached an era where telling people to be kind to each other is considered terrible, spat on, vilified, and turned into something horrible. Let that sink in for a moment.
We have reached an era where telling people to be kind to each other is considered terrible, spat on, vilified, and turned into something horrible. Let that sink in for a moment.
We have reached an era where telling people to be kind to each other is considered terrible, spat on, vilified, and turned into something horrible. Let that sink in for a moment.