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kmfdmpig

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
19,378
Please, as if pensions will still exist by the time I'm 65 even if I did work my ass off.

At this rate America will be a war-torn hellhole worse than most 3rd-world countries by the time I'm retirement age anyway.
401ks are the new pensions and millions use them effectively each year, but I guess you know better by buying into all the hyperbolic doom and gloom you read about online. It's a shame that when you realize you were wrong and way too pessimistic it will be too late to do much except regret your choices.
 

Deleted member 19003

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
3,809
Please, as if pensions will still exist by the time I'm 65 even if I did work my ass off.

At this rate America will be a war-torn hellhole worse than most 3rd-world countries by the time I'm retirement age anyway.
*facepalm* That's a terrible bet you're taking there. Vadara being homeless in 30 years vs the US becoming a war-torn hellhole? Hmm. I know which one I think has a higher chance of happening. Do yourself a favor and hedge your bet by gaining some life skills you can use, try learning a trade or volunteering. You may find something that interests you.
 

Hassel

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,363
Please, as if pensions will still exist by the time I'm 65 even if I did work my ass off.

At this rate America will be a war-torn hellhole worse than most 3rd-world countries by the time I'm retirement age anyway.

LOL Pensions.

Make your own 401k like everyone else. I will never have a pension, so I hustle and save. Future me is more important than current me.

All you have done is guaranteed you will lose no matter what the outcome.
This is the worst possible play of all possible plays. no matter what hand you where dealt.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I don't disagree with you that it would (naturally) vary from person to person, but I'm a bit tired of hearing this "boot straps" go-to whenever anyone suggests that making an effort or putting themselves out there resulted in some kind of success and might work for others. It's just not. It's life. If you try, sometimes things happen. If you don't try, nothing happens. No one expects success all of the time. I wouldn't call that year off of mine any kind of 'success' at all. It was the constant failure that benefited me in the end. I wasn't social to start. I didn't have some great work ethic right off the bat, and I took that year off not just because of money fears but because I'd stopped going to class. I barely cleared that last semester before I left because all I did was sleep. I wasn't 'fine'. But don't get me wrong. I'm not advocating for anything other than trying. I understand that there are degrees of things and life doesn't just unlock proportionate to the effort you put in. I just think the failures are as valuable as the successes, and boy do you get a lot of fail if you strike out on your own early. :P

Oh sure, I'm not saying not to try. What I'm saying is what works for one person isn't necessarily going to work for another for a variety of reasons and that people grow at different rates, so the absolutist view of needing to "put yourself out there" can sometimes be premature. In those scenarios, I'd rather not judge people for still living with their parents well into adulthood, whether because they're still figuring things out, need time to recuperate from something, or are just unfortunately incapable of making it out in the real world.

The reason I say "bootstraps" is because it assumes being out there is always going to be something beneficial, whether it be for growth or just figuring things out in life, when that's far from the truth. I have no doubt in my mind that my old friend who is now in a psyche ward would be a much happier and stable person if he still lived with his parents. That potential for a happy life is gone now.

I'd say that's why I empathize with people like Vadara and others in similar situations. Not only because of my friend, but it similarly hits close to home for me and all the failures I've experienced to the point I often wish I never tried at all. The way I see it, the only difference between me and them is I'm privileged enough to have zero financial woes thanks to the efforts of others and not me actually earning that lifestyle.

Anyway, I don't think you're giving yourself enough credit. You put yourself out there all the time with your work, and you sound like you'd make a fine father because you care. That's the important part, really.

You're overestimating me. Outside of a barebones visual novel that took me longer to make than it should have, I haven't put out anything in a few years now. I'll always love the idea of creating and my ever growing word doc of concepts will always get new pages, but the actual process has stopped being fun after multiple failures. I won't say I've given up altogether, but more days than not, my thought process will pretty much be "I'm okay with being a leech and my goal in life being to consume the content I want". A truly driven person would never get to that point.

As for being a good father, I can't imagine that at all. These last few years, I've kind of had to confront just how self-centered of a person I really am and caring for a child is way outside the scope of that, at least the current me.
 

subpar spatula

Refuses to Wash his Ass
Member
Oct 26, 2017
22,152
If I have kids they're out at 18, or they pay rent, or they go do post secondary / trade school and get a free room to stay in. I am not going to coddle them. If I have a child who wants to stay with me even after all that then I'm going to say no, and call me if things get too bad.

People adapt really fast. Someone who has zero money, rent is coming up, and is on their last grocery money will see that McDonald's job and do it for a bit. There's zero shame in that. What's shameful is waiting to slowly fade away as you do nothing except stay inside browsing the dankest of memes. At least so online writing work or something.

The 30-year-old in the OP will hopefully get a rude awakening due to a dramatically shifted life style.
 

chezzymann

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
4,042
Am I lazy for wanting to stay at my parents until I'm 25 to save up a bunch of cushion money before I move out (I'm 23 right now and graduated college last year). My parents are fine with it.

Lots of people seem to look down on others who dont instantly move out whenever they have the ability too.
 

zero_suit

Member
Oct 27, 2017
12,578
Am I lazy for wanting to stay at my parents until I'm 25 to save up a bunch of cushion money before I move out (I'm 23 right now and graduated college last year). My parents are fine with it.

Lots of people seem to look down on others who dont instantly move out whenever they have the ability too.
No, that's called being smart. I'm sure you don't want to come crawling back to them.
 

subpar spatula

Refuses to Wash his Ass
Member
Oct 26, 2017
22,152
Am I lazy for wanting to stay at my parents until I'm 25 to save up a bunch of cushion money before I move out (I'm 23 right now and graduated college last year). My parents are fine with it.

Lots of people seem to look down on others who dont instantly move out whenever they have the ability too.
Living a sheltered life isn't appealing to other people. Ya just gotta leave the nest and experience life on your own terms.
 
Oct 25, 2017
26,560
Am I lazy for wanting to stay at my parents until I'm 25 to save up a bunch of cushion money before I move out (I'm 23 right now and graduated college last year). My parents are fine with it.

Lots of people seem to look down on others who dont instantly move out whenever they have the ability too.
How many times does this need to be distinguished. No one his bashing anyone on the premise of being an adult living with your parents.

It's a matter of being at home blatantly mooching, contributing nothing yourself. Going to school is moving forward. Saving up is moving forward. Taking care of your parents is contributing something.

I could move back home right now if I wanted to, my mom tells me that all the time, but I also know, after a month or two, she's gonna get on my case if I'm not at least looking for a job.

Physical disabilities is it's own issue.

I have a friend in her 30s about to move home in an attempt to save up. There's nothing about that to knock. She makes more than I do and I envy how much she'll be saving while she's there for the rest of the year probably.

I have friends my age who live in much more expensive cities, so moving out isn't as easy as it is for me to just get a cheap studio, but the point is, they're still doing something instead of waking up to play video games every day.
 

Hassel

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,363
Am I lazy for wanting to stay at my parents until I'm 25 to save up a bunch of cushion money before I move out (I'm 23 right now and graduated college last year). My parents are fine with it.

Lots of people seem to look down on others who dont instantly move out whenever they have the ability too.



DId you just not read the thread?
Or do you think that staying at home doing nothing is the same as staying at home and working hard saving up for a better future. ?


I mean this distictin has been made maybe 30 or 40 times in this thread, yet people keep posting like you have...WTF. I feel like i am taking crazy pills.
 

Septimus Prime

EA
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Oct 25, 2017
8,500
To be clear, the problem isn't the guy's age or his getting parental support or even his complete lack of ambition, really. It's his entitlement and acting like his parents owe him all that support.
 

Burrman

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
7,633
Am I lazy for wanting to stay at my parents until I'm 25 to save up a bunch of cushion money before I move out (I'm 23 right now and graduated college last year). My parents are fine with it.

Lots of people seem to look down on others who dont instantly move out whenever they have the ability too.
No. you have goals and plans. Which is smart
 

Vadara

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,565
User Banned (Permanent): Trolling throughout thread, long history of infractions for similar behaviour.
How do you scrap up money without working?
Eh, I can usually ask my dad for 20 bucks each paycheck, and he usually gives me like...5 bucks if I ask him for it. I'm pretty selective with what I buy.
 

Deleted member 9486

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Oct 26, 2017
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I left home for college at 18 and couldn't imagine moving back at any point after that.

I love my parents (well my mom has gotten angry and crazy in old age), but I love independence more and they live in the middle of nowhere in a rural area where I grew up and couldn't wait to leave.
 
Oct 25, 2017
26,560
Eh, I can usually ask my dad for 20 bucks each paycheck, and he usually gives me like...5 bucks if I ask him for it. I'm pretty selective with what I buy.
This is bordering on Cybersai level parody.

I left home for college at 18 and couldn't imagine moving back at any point after that.

I love my parents (well my mom has gotten angry and crazy in old age), but I love independence more and they live in the middle of nowhere in a rural area where I grew up and couldn't wait to leave.
Yeah, it's not even entirely about being independent at an early age, once I moved to college, anytime I was home for longer than 3 days and my mom just started treating me like a high schooler. I remember getting yelled at for having the AC on. Summer and Christmas breaks at home weren't great so I made an effort to go out way more during that time and then just started doing summer semesters once I recognized the pattern.

Now, I refuse to stay with my mom for any longer than 3 days.
 

Burrman

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
7,633
Eh, I can usually ask my dad for 20 bucks each paycheck, and he usually gives me like...5 bucks if I ask him for it. I'm pretty selective with what I buy.
Sorry for questioning but reading some of your posts reminds me of a friend I have. I feel like you gotta change your mindset. You have to learn to earn and feel its rewards. Not just for yourself but for other people you care about. Giving something back can feel a lot better than receiving.
 

Baalzebup

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Oct 25, 2017
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Tackleberry

Member
Oct 31, 2017
4,837
Alliance, OH
Oh boy.. This thread turned ugly QUICK.

As a parent with 2 daughters, one rapidly approaching teenage years, I have to chime in.

I love my kids to death. But, if they think thwy will get a free ride from the parents, they will be sorely mistaken.

When the time comes, they will need to be in school, working or any combination of both. There is nothing free in life, anything worthwhile requires hard work.

I will not raise entitled brats like the guy who had to be taken to COURT because he was such a lazy piece of crap.

I guess it goes back to the houses I was raised in. I was brought up with divorced, hard working parents. They had less than nothing when they started and somehow made it.

At some point you need to be able to look at yourself in the mirror and take contol of your life. Then to top it off, HE HAS A KID?!?
 

pigeon

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,447
To be honest this thread has been a difficult read for me.

I'm 25, live at home, and have flunked the last two jobs I've had due to anxiety problems. My family is trying to convince me to go on ODSP and I feel like such a failure for even considering it. It's a guaranteed income that lets me have the time to work on myself, get counseling and lose weight before I go back to college, but even thinking about it makes my brain scream about how I'm cheating the system.

That's what the system is for. You deserve it.
 

Thorn

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
24,446
The idea of kicking out someone at 18 still baffles me. Especially when college loans are crippling and careers that give a liveable wage are drying up.
 

Redcrayon

Patient hunter
On Break
Oct 27, 2017
12,713
UK
Am I lazy for wanting to stay at my parents until I'm 25 to save up a bunch of cushion money before I move out (I'm 23 right now and graduated college last year). My parents are fine with it.

Lots of people seem to look down on others who dont instantly move out whenever they have the ability too.
I don't think any parent would have a problem with their kids staying with them as young adults for a bit while getting the cash together to reach a goal of leaving successfully/downpayment in a house. That's just smart. Renting is expensive and in plenty of European countries it's perfectly normal to live with your folks for a while in your 20s. It's the difference between having your adult children out of the house working or in education, and then probably out for an evening or two as well, and having someone who is there 24/7 with zero ambition to ever leave while you are getting older and want to eventually enjoy your retirement.

It's about growing up and realising that the relationship has changed a bit. Giving your parents some time in their place to themselves by being busy and not just sitting on a computer in your childhood bedroom all day, contributing to the chores, helping look out for grandparents and having a savings plan to move out by a rough deadline are all stuff that indicate you recognise that. When I lived at home in my early 20s for a year or so I had a long term and short term plan on my wall, and made sure every penny I saved by eating and sleeping at my parents house got banked, to the point where my mum reminded me to head out more, both so they could have some time alone but also so that I enjoyed my youth too. What people in this thread are really responding to is the idea of a grown adult that is capable of working or training somehow expecting never to have to be financially independent while their aging parents still look after them.
 
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Syriel

Syriel

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Dec 13, 2017
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The idea of kicking out someone at 18 still baffles me. Especially when college loans are crippling and careers that give a liveable wage are drying up.

Again, it's not "kicking out" so much as "parents making sure the kids are on the path the self sufficiency."

Even the example in the OP, the parents offered multiple lines of help.

The reality is you can't rely on your parents for every need forever. At some point you become an adult (and if you have a child, you've crossed that line) and you need to learn how to fend for yourself and how to provide for your own kids.

This isn't about being rich. It's about making forward progress in life. As long as a kid is making that progress, American parents are going to help. You don't typically get to ultimatums unless the kid is just refusing to do anything for themselves.

And as a kid, one of the best joys in life is being able to give back to your parents to make their lives easier.
 

turbobrick

Member
Oct 25, 2017
13,091
Phoenix, AZ
I had already been paying them rent from the time I was 13. They kicked me out because I didn't pay them rent for the time that I was in Japan. This didn't make sense from the perspective of my teenage-self; but, in the adult world, this is how it would have played out as well. I simply used what savings I had and was able to sign for a place (with their permission). They still expected backpay from when I wasn't in the country - and they did get that, eventually (when I moved back home to take care of them in 2008 - they expected me to pay them before moving in, even though I was moving in to take care of them - so I did pay them the $5,500 they expected).

I thought about social services and the likes, but it came down to me knowing that it would have just caused more of a pain in the ass for me than just moving on with my life. When my mother passed away, I spent almost 7 months in foster care and really didn't want to go back anyways (it's a nightmare to be in the "custody of the state"). It wasn't until my grandparents realized that they'd get $1,100 a month due to "survivor's allowance" (given to my guardians to take care of me) that they even thought about adopting me. That should explain a lot. lol.

You're a much nicer person than I am, as this is madness to me. It seemed like they only cared about getting money from you, and didn't even care about you. If it were me I'd have left as soon as possible and removed those people from my life, not have paid them what they said they were owed, nor have taken care of them.
 

Endaeias

Member
Jan 11, 2018
308
You're a much nicer person than I am, as this is madness to me. It seemed like they only cared about getting money from you, and didn't even care about you. If it were me I'd have left as soon as possible and removed those people from my life, not have paid them what they said they were owed, nor have taken care of them.

In all honesty, there was an element of guilt that motivated me to do any of this. I wanted to do something right "by my mother" (who passed away). This was really the only thing I could think of that made sense. My grandparents mellowed a little (after 3 years of taking care of them). Eventually, even they agreed that it wasn't my responsibility to put my life on hold for them (their own children weren't taking care of them by any means). So I left (a second time - the first time I disappeared for nearly about 8 years). I've only gone back for their funerals in the last year (August 2017 - Grandfather, January 2018 - Grandmother). I think I'm done with that part of my family for now.

All-in-all, I don't regret taking care of them. I learned a great deal about both of their pasts, as well as how to take care of people (in a medical capacity, as well as an emotional one). I have been told that I shouldn't have ever gone back at all - which, to a small degree, I agree with (only due to the rest of my family).
 
Oct 26, 2017
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I imagine we'll see more people living with their parents into their mid 20's because college has become such an expected thing to do, and more and more people are having difficulty landing a career job once they graduate. Or the career they were pursuing was not what they thought it would be, or the entry position pays way less than the job they took while in school.

By 30 though, especially when you've been given plenty of chances and definitely time, it's time to get out on your own.
 

Aurongel

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Oct 28, 2017
7,065
Bumping this thread because apparently my girlfriend went to highschool and was in the same theater class as him.

Upstate New York is a fucking hole.
 

Commedieu

Banned
Nov 11, 2017
15,025
I had bangers and mash for lunch today. They did this weird thing where they battered one of the sausages. It tasted pretty good.
I bet this dude ate a sausage once, I wonder if he ever ate one with batter.
 

Dalek

Member
Oct 25, 2017
38,983
Imagine when his parents walked into the room to clean it up after all these tears. What a smell.
 

Telpis

Banned
Jan 17, 2018
1,319
Nobody talking about when he left he tried to get back in the house but his dad wouldn't let him in and rang the police because he forgot his LEGO
 
Oct 26, 2017
9,939
Every story about this dude is like a super exaggerated parody. If you wrote him as a character, people would say you were laying it on too thick.