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UF_C

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Oct 25, 2017
3,352
I live in the US where it is often said the people have the right to bear arms. But what about my rights to not want guns near me and my fam? I know it's a stupid argument, but I want the right to walk into a mall and know that people aren't carrying guns. My state allows open carrying without a permit. Why don't my personal freedoms matter at all here, ie. not being around people who are carrying guns without a permit? Folks want to arm teachers, but what about my right to not have my children in a classroom with an adult with a weapon? Nobody ever really thinks about the right of those who don't want a gun around them, why isn't this as equally as important?

I picked up my kids yesterday after their last day of school. To congratulate them on how great they were all year I took them to get ice cream. While in the establishment two men began to have an altercation. Another woman was involved after she asked them both to remember that children were there and they were acting pretty scary. Shortly thereafter one of the men quickly left the place and went right to his truck. The restaurant went silent. We all just watched him as he looked for something under his drivers sear. It was eerie and I instinctively put both kids behind me so they were furthest from the door. Thankfully whatever he was looking for, he never found, though he did storm back in and started yelling again before getting back into his vehicle. What was supposed to be a pleasant afternoon has now haunted me for 2 days. The thought that a madman would start shooting people is crazy, right? I shouldn't have been worried. That I quickly told both kids to grab their stuff and we bee-lined it out of there and drove straight home, shows that I was way overthinking the whole thing, and perhaps a bit of a cowered. But I guarantee you, everybody in that ice cream place thought they may die that afternoon. The silence, nobody breathing, the anxiety of everyone was palpable.

I don't want to live in a country where an angry person could grab their legal gun and kill me and my family. I should have that right to not live with that fear. Don't my rights matter too?

Sorry for the stupid post. I know the argument of a right to bear arms and the right of me not wanting to be around guns are two different things. But something has to change in the future as more and more heinous gun deaths continue to creep through all of our communities.

Delete this post out of Fucking Dairy Queen if too dumb.
 

Menx64

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Oct 30, 2017
5,774
That is very valid concern. I live in Costa Rica which for most part is safe, and you would be surprised to see a gun in the wild unless you are at a bank of near a police officer, yet we are living a difficult time since violence is increasing as drug cartels are fighting to take control of some territories and routes to send drugs to the US. Again, for the most part this is a safe country, but the fear is there. The difference is that most people believe that as long as you are not associated to the wrong people, is very unlikely you will have that sort of problem, while in the US is normal people who are carring those killings.
 

Dark Knight

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 25, 2017
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It's one of those things we as average humans/citizens have no control over. I want the right to not ever be nuked but obviously it's out of my control. It would take a pretty radical shift for humans to just get rid of deadly weapons. I think we are just too deep in our animal instinct to ever fully move beyond the "I can kill you at any time" mode. America in particular is bad and the most primal of us intend to keep their weapons in our faces.

Once we are upgraded past our fleshy cages and paired with AI I think we will be able to take the steps needed as a species. Until then countless innocent will die because humans are savages by nature.

edit: but yeah, trust nobody. Move your loved ones far away at the first sign of these animals getting their blood up. Perhaps consider moving to some place safer if possible. Anywhere that's not middle America.
 

Vern

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
5,097
Pretty sure the founding fathers didn't mention it. So you are shit out of luck. Go join a militia.
 

Cookie

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Oct 26, 2017
2,258
At this point you could argue that guns infringe on people's right to free movement, right to an education and so on.

Can't be free if you're getting gunned down all the time.
 

skeezx

Member
Oct 27, 2017
20,180
unfortunate but legally, no, you're entitled to no protections in this regard. just like how people are free to smoke around you and your kids at a bus stop or whatever
 

Messofanego

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Oct 25, 2017
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UK
I thought private businesses could refuse weapons in their establishments? Or does state rule override that?
 

Deleted member 18347

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Oct 27, 2017
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What are you talking about? You are free to carry your own. That way you'll feel safe regardless of whether or not people around you are carrying.

You can also start teaching the younguns how to wield and mantain their own firearms in order to protect themselves if push ever comes to shove.

It's part of the American identity and you should as an American embrace it instead of trying to get rid of it.
 

Koality

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Feb 22, 2018
116
This is why America is super crazy to me and I probably couldn't live there.

I saw a gun in real life for the first time a few months ago. I was going home from work and waiting at London kings cross station and suddenly I was a few feet from a police officer with an assault rifle. I guess I'd been looking at my phone and not paying attention but there were loads of them wondering around.

I never found out why the armed met force were there that day but I know coming face to face with that gun terrified me. And that one was strapped to a specially trained police officer.

I don't know how you people aren't constantly having panic attacks with plain old civilians walking around with guns.
 

Hoo-doo

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
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Oct 25, 2017
4,292
The Netherlands
Yeah, there's that right. It does not apply in the United States though.

Move to saner pastures if you value actual freedom.
 

Igorth

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Nov 13, 2017
1,309
Being european I understand your concern and cant concieve having people carrying guns just because they want to, america can be a scary place, some states more than others.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Seems like you need a gun to protect your right to not have a gun.

On a serious note, I'm not american, your whole gun situation seems absolutely crazy for me - every person, even every mentally unstable person can have a tool to instantly kill someone, because of reasons, and there is nothing to do about that.
 

gutter_trash

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Oct 26, 2017
17,124
Montreal
they did this with cigarettes, can't smoke here, can't smoke there/

Same should be done about guns, can't carry gun here, can't carry gun there
 

Skelepuzzle

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Apr 17, 2018
6,119
This is my issue as well. "Well who cares as long as two socio/psychopaths are separately armed and never meet." I've known them my entire life. It will happen eventually.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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What are you talking about? You are free to carry your own. That way you'll feel safe regardless of whether or not people around you are carrying.

You can also start teaching the younguns how to wield and mantain their own firearms in order to protect themselves if push ever comes to shove.

It's part of the American identity and you should as an American embrace it instead of trying to get rid of it.

Nah. Unless a gun has a bullet shield function that I haven't heard about then I'm not going to feel any safer with a gun on me. Also, as someone who's depressed, I'm probably actually less safe if I own a gun. So no, I'm not going to embrace this part of the "American identity" or whatever. And don't give young people guns, Jesus Christ
 

matrix-cat

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Oct 27, 2017
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Going by how America looks from the outside, I feel like they would sooner pass a law to give a gun the right not to be near you than the other way around. The answer to any problem always seems to be "more guns". Case in point:

What are you talking about? You are free to carry your own. That way you'll feel safe regardless of whether or not people around you are carrying.

You can also start teaching the younguns how to wield and mantain their own firearms in order to protect themselves if push ever comes to shove.

It's part of the American identity and you should as an American embrace it instead of trying to get rid of it.

The solution to "I don't want to be around guns" is apparently "Get one of your own".
 

Sowrong

Banned
Oct 29, 2017
1,442
they did this with cigarettes, can't smoke here, can't smoke there/

Same should be done about guns, can't carry gun here, can't carry gun there
In Arizona, you see signs posted outside businesses saying "no firearms allowed inside", all the time. Im sure other open carry states are the same.
 
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1upsuper

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Jan 30, 2018
5,489
What are you talking about? You are free to carry your own. That way you'll feel safe regardless of whether or not people around you are carrying.

You can also start teaching the younguns how to wield and mantain their own firearms in order to protect themselves if push ever comes to shove.

It's part of the American identity and you should as an American embrace it instead of trying to get rid of it.
I legitimately cannot tell if this is satire or not.
 

RoyaleDuke

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Oct 26, 2017
1,397
Nowhere
What are you talking about? You are free to carry your own. That way you'll feel safe regardless of whether or not people around you are carrying.

You can also start teaching the younguns how to wield and mantain their own firearms in order to protect themselves if push ever comes to shove.

It's part of the American identity and you should as an American embrace it instead of trying to get rid of it.

You know what else is apart of the American identity you love, slavery and genocide.
 

ishan

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Oct 27, 2017
2,192
silly argument. its like asking why dont I have the right of not being around ppl who dont mouth off. They are allowed to mouth off as protected by their 1st amendment rights.

A state (by that i mean most democratic countries) try and evolve to protect their citizens but a "right" is very specific. You cant make everything a right.

EDIT: most good developed democratic countries give you a plethora of protections . But what youre asking for is your right against their right . very slippery slope and quite misguided.
 

RoyaleDuke

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Oct 26, 2017
1,397
Nowhere
silly argument. its like asking why dont I have the right of not being around ppl who dont mouth off. They are allowed to mouth off as protected by their 1st amendment rights.

A state (by that i mean most democratic countries) try and evolve to protect their citizens but a "right" is very specific. You cant make everything a right.

EDIT: most good developed democratic countries give you a plethora of protections . But what youre asking for is your right against their right . very slippery slope and quite misguided.

Slippery slope and freeze peach.

Yeah no people should not have the right to say hateful evil shit, or own weapons of mass murder.
 

Dyle

One Winged Slayer
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
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If you're outdoors on publically accessible property, then no, not in most states today. If you're indoors, on private unaccessible property, or in a ticketed area then yes you may have that right if the building owner/management seems it so and puts up signage. But of course that can't be a guarantee of safety in 2018 given what happened in Vegas among other events

I agree though, I find it hard to feel comfortable in many public situations specifically because of how likely it is some idiot is packing and how many ways that could go wrong. I've never been in such a situation yet but I know it's only a matter of time before I find myself a first hand witness to one
 

BashNasty

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Oct 30, 2017
1,900
Yea, it sucks. I'm an American and I've never once been actually threatened by a gun, but I fucking hate them all the same.

The only thing a gun does is allow an insecure piece of shit to feel like a big man.

Guns are a plague and the fact that some Americans protect them so fiercely is a tumor on our country... which is clearly demonstrated every few fucking weeks these days.
 

LinkStrikesBack

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Member
Oct 27, 2017
16,367
What are you talking about? You are free to carry your own. That way you'll feel safe regardless of whether or not people around you are carrying


That's damned stupid. Carrying a gun myself wouldn't make me feel safer at all, fuck, I wouldn't want to have to murder a person when there was the obvious solution of nobody needing to have a gun in the first place.
 

ahoyhoy

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Oct 25, 2017
4,319
they did this with cigarettes, can't smoke here, can't smoke there/

Same should be done about guns, can't carry gun here, can't carry gun there

They have that, but I don't think a dude seeing red going back to his truck for his gun would respect the little plastic sign by the door.

We need gun control in general and not just the theater of security.
 

Jackpot

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Oct 26, 2017
1,827
Man, that's crazy. A whole restaurant falling silent as they wait to see if they're about to be the next dismissed statistic.
 

pez2k

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Apr 21, 2018
401
I'm not American, but the fundamental issue seems to me to be that actively not owning a gun doesn't involve spending money. People who buy guns make the gun companies money, the gun companies spend that money on political power and propaganda, thus owning a gun becomes an inalienable right that is more important than the other rights in your Constitution and more important than general human rights, as well as being essential to keep yourself safe from indistinct general perceived threats that are everywhere (like being shot).

As long as paid lobbyists have so much political power, American gun laws are always destined to go in a direction that favours the companies selling those guns and paying those lobbyists.
 

GameChanger

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Oct 27, 2017
1,935
Do private businesses have the right to ban guns in their premises? I can see that as a partial solution to the problem. You would have a lot less gun carrying wackos if businesses started banning them like they ban smoking. I would certainly feel much safer.
 

bgbball31

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Oct 25, 2017
592
Do private businesses have the right to ban guns in their premises? I can see that as a partial solution to the problem. You would have a lot less gun carrying wackos if businesses started banning them like they ban smoking. I would certainly feel much safer.

Yeah, we have gun free zones, which some on the right rail against because "criminals don't follow the law, so why would they listen to gun free zones. All gun free zones do are take away the ability for a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun." So, some on the right want there to be no gun free zones anywhere.
 
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Donos

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Nov 15, 2017
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While in the establishment two men began to have an altercation. Another woman was involved after she asked them both to remember that children were there and they were acting pretty scary. Shortly thereafter one of the men quickly left the place and went right to his truck. The restaurant went silent. We all just watched him as he looked for something under his drivers sear. It was eerie and I instinctively put both kids behind me so they were furthest from the door.
But I guarantee you, everybody in that ice cream place thought they may die that afternoon. The silence, nobody breathing, the anxiety of everyone was palpable.
That is fucked up and i would have thought the same.

There was a time my gf and me thought about moving out of the country, not because we have to but just to change up life a bit. Canada, New Zealand or the US.
Since then US fell of the list (though we are probably going to stay here anyway) and the gun culture there is one of many reasons.
 

Christian.

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Oct 27, 2017
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Winter Garden, FL
User Banned (Permanent): Conspiracy theories, account still in the junior phase.
Don't own, don't want to. Think we'd be better off without. But when I see something like this published in 1991, I stop and think about it instead of instantly having an allergic reaction to all claims of conspiracy. Especially when MK Ultra and the Gulf of Tonkinfalse flag are declassified.There will be changes made. I personally think attacks will continue until the public reacts in a way that favors those influencing them. I also personally think there's more to the story than what we hear. I'm not concerned with the possibility of a right being taken from me that I never took advantage of ( I don't intend to arm myself) I'm more concerned with how easy we are manipulated and the negative repercussions of a society that is conditioned to reject any notion that clandestine agendas in high government exist. It's easier to generalize and hate than to look into all possibilities.But what do I know.
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Oct 28, 2017
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The thought that a madman would start shooting people is crazy, right? I shouldn't have been worried. That I quickly told both kids to grab their stuff and we bee-lined it out of there and drove straight home, shows that I was way overthinking the whole thing, and perhaps a bit of a cowered. But I guarantee you, everybody in that ice cream place thought they may die that afternoon. The silence, nobody breathing, the anxiety of everyone was palpable.

The fact that you think that protecting your kids from getting shot may have been overthinking and cowardly, truly shows how fucked up your country is.
 

Deleted member 4247

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Oct 25, 2017
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That's not a stupid argument, it's a very reasonable one. You should have the right not to be around people walking around with deadly weapons out in public. America is an insane country for allowing it, absolutely batshit.
 

_ifigured

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Oct 29, 2017
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Right wing reasoning: show us where in the bible it says you have the god-given right to not live in abject fear of psychopathic archangels with tools of mass murder.
 

Deleted member 4247

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Oct 25, 2017
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What are you talking about? You are free to carry your own. That way you'll feel safe regardless of whether or not people around you are carrying.

You can also start teaching the younguns how to wield and mantain their own firearms in order to protect themselves if push ever comes to shove.

It's part of the American identity and you should as an American embrace it instead of trying to get rid of it.

Wow. What a sad attitude. You sound brainwashed. So glad I don't live in America, wouldn't want to be around people like you whenever I go out.

"Teach the children to shoot others", wtf. Insane.

America's "identity" is fucked.
 

Soj

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Oct 27, 2017
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Unfortunately, living in constant fear is part of the marketing strategy.
 

Deleted member 4247

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You seem brainwashed; why should the government have a monopoly on violence

Because they are the ones upholding the laws? That's not the job of ordinary citizens. Of course, that requires a functional, well trained, non-corrupt police force, which is another of America's problems.

You seem to be advocating anarchy, which I'm pretty sure wouldn't work very well.