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T'Challa Shakur

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Banned
Oct 25, 2017
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Toronto
NFL Is AMERICA's SPORT! ITS THE MOST PATRIOTIC THING.

*Black man exercises freedom of speech to protest injustice*

YOU CANT DO THAT! ITS UNAMERICAN. MAH GUNS. MAH 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHTS.
 

Yamajian

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Oct 30, 2017
1,146
Why would the NFL choose to piss off a huge amount of it's player and fan base instead of just getting rid of the anthem?

What are the details of the NFL's deal with the military?
 

Vanillalite

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Oct 25, 2017
7,709
I'm out. Hate me Sports ERA, but I'm done with the Godell NFL.

I got enough shit to do anyways, and I'm not gonna give them what little free time I have if this is their stance.
 

Jom

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Oct 25, 2017
3,490
When the ratings are down again what is the NFL going to do? Ban black players?
 

Haunted

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Nov 3, 2017
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For all the republican snowflakes complaining about the dominance of the Liberal media, it's actually pretty unbelievable how the right was able to completely change the narrative on this.

Overall, a depressing and somewhat embarrassing episode for the US.
 

Greg NYC3

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Oct 26, 2017
12,496
Miami



Yowza, Twitter is on fire as usual. Pity that Twitter slapdowns don't mean much in the real world though :(

It is not so much the season as it is their incredibly short careers.
That and the fact that 90% of the players are seen as disposable items hurts a lot too, yes.
Towards the end of last season, was any player still kneeling?

This is a terrible policy but I'm not going to act like I'm shocked by it, this is the NFL we are talking about here.
A few maybe, but not nearly enough for them to make this kind of move. This was about appeasing Trump, his shitty base that watches football and most of all the owners who agree with Trump but are too cowardly to say so publicly.
 

Gatti-man

Banned
Jan 31, 2018
2,359
User Warned: Whataboutism
A lot of anger in here for something the NBA has had for over a decade. Where was your outrage then?
 

Frozenprince

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
9,158
A lot of anger in here for something the NBA has had for over a decade. Where was your outrage then?
A) There was a shitload of people angry over what happened to Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf B) The players and the NBA agreed to a trade off where they would agree to anthem concessions if the NBA would signal boost their social causes and help them with social awareness and recognition in other ways. It was a joint process to come to a compromise.

The NFL just made an arbitrary and vague decision with no forethought.
 

Doctor_Thomas

Member
Oct 27, 2017
9,659
A lot of anger in here for something the NBA has had for over a decade. Where was your outrage then?
I didn't know about it, but I am outraged.

In protest I'm going to say that the NBA and NFL are massive fannies and can get in the bin with their forced nationalism.

America has a disease running through it where it forces people to be patriotic and conform because, as the song title goes:
Ifwhiteamericatoldthetruthforonedayitsworldwouldfallapart
 

Greg NYC3

Member
Oct 26, 2017
12,496
Miami
A lot of anger in here for something the NBA has had for over a decade. Where was your outrage then?
I've got too many damn quotes on this page already but to address this: The NBA policy wasn't meant to deny the players their right to protest or take a political stance, they instituted it because the players used to warm up on the court and fool around during the anthem and some viewers felt that it was disrespectful. There wasn't much, if any resistance to that change.
A) There was a shitload of people angry over what happened to Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf B) The players and the NBA agreed to a trade off where they would agree to anthem concessions if the NBA would signal boost their social causes and help them with social awareness and recognition in other ways. It was a joint process to come to a compromise.

The NFL just made an arbitrary and vague decision with no forethought.
Oh damn, I did forget about that part. Never mind lol
 

BossAttack

Member
Oct 27, 2017
43,017
No I called it lazy because it literally took zero amount of physical effort. None. Not a single calorie was expended in it's execution. I also found it ironic that many articles labeled it as taking a stand.

I feel like everyone needs to see this post and remember it. Remember this every time Black Lives Matter is blamed for street riots. Remember this every time Antifa is blamed for Neo-Nazis killing people. Remember this every time when they ask why can't we protest in a more respectful, peaceful manner. Remember this.
 

Gatti-man

Banned
Jan 31, 2018
2,359
A) There was a shitload of people angry over what happened to Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf B) The players and the NBA agreed to a trade off where they would agree to anthem concessions if the NBA would signal boost their social causes and help them with social awareness and recognition in other ways. It was a joint process to come to a compromise.

The NFL just made an arbitrary and vague decision with no forethought.
I have yet to see even a fraction of any anger at the NBA like the NFL. Be real. The NBA is getting abhuge pass and the NFL isn't. Why? Because the NBA always had this rule so people have just accepted it.

The NFL last year came out in official support of its players freedom of speech and they saw their bottom line hit in a major way and want to stop that from happening again. So they made this rule like every other league already has. Sucks but the NFL is a business first. Even then they still are allowing people to not come out for the anthem and giving them more free speech than other leagues yet we see people acting like the NFL is some horrible league. It just seems really selective and insincere when people are giving everyone else a pass.
I've got too many damn quotes on this page already but to address this: The NBA policy wasn't meant to deny the players their right to protest or take a political stance, they instituted it because the players used to warm up on the court and fool around during the anthem and some viewers felt that it was disrespectful. There wasn't much, if any resistance to that change.

Oh damn, I did forget about that part. Never mind lol
So? The end result is the same. All players are required to stand for the national anthem. Period. I'm not even going to debate the why when clearly it's meant to chill freedom of speech on the court. Which is exactly what the NFL is now doing.
 

Frozenprince

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Oct 25, 2017
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I have yet to see even a fraction of any anger at the NBA like the NFL. Be real. The NBA is getting abhuge pass and the NFL isn't. Why? Because the NBA always had this rule so people have just accepted it.

The NFL last year came out in official support of its players freedom of speech and they saw their bottom line hit in a major way and want to stop that from happening again. So they made this rule like every other league already has. Sucks but the NFL is a business first. Even then they still are allowing people to not come out for the anthem and giving them more free speech than other leagues yet we see people acting like the NFL is some horrible league. It just seems really selective and insincere when people are giving everyone else a pass.
You didn't even read my post. You're just trying to find a reason to dance around the issue and justify the decision while using me to signal boost without anything I just said having any bearing on your post.
 

Gatti-man

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Jan 31, 2018
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You didn't even read my post. You're just trying to find a reason to dance around the issue and justify the decision while using me to signal boost without anything I just said having any bearing on your post.
I really did. The moment you tell me someone can kneel in the NBA is the moment you might have an argument. And replying to you is just that. Signal boosting? Don't be ridiculous.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...of-way-our-league-responded-this-weekend/amp/

Here is one example. The NFL also stated on many occasions the players had the right to kneel. Ratings were down that's easily verifiable as well
 
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Frozenprince

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Oct 25, 2017
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I really did. The moment you tell me someone can kneel in the NBA is the moment you might have an argument.
What argument?

Stop being dense and actually fucking address what people are saying to you. The reasoning behind the decisions and the way they came about are totally different, and secondly, every major league doesn't have a rule about the anthem. Baseball doesn't. If you just want to have a one sided conversation with yourself that's fine, but don't quote me and ignore what I said.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Fine, if you are going to silence players then I'll just watch something else. They hypocrisy is damned absurd, exceptionally shameful for the owners to go along with this.
 

platocplx

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Oct 30, 2017
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I feel like everyone needs to see this post and remember it. Remember this every time Black Lives Matter is blamed for street riots. Remember this every time Antifa is blamed for Neo-Nazis killing people. Remember this every time when they ask why can't we protest in a more respectful, peaceful manner. Remember this.
Honestly people really do NOT get it until peoples peaceful voices and protests become violent action. Cities nearly burned down to the ground before the civil rights act passed.
 

Coyote Starrk

The Fallen
Oct 30, 2017
53,125
I really did. The moment you tell me someone can kneel in the NBA is the moment you might have an argument. And replying to you is just that. Signal boosting? Don't be ridiculous.

Its not a fair comparison. The NBA supports its players in various other ways that the NFL doesn't. For example NBA players have guaranteed contracts and are allowed to make various social media stands without fear of punishment from the league or the owners.


Also NBA players are allowed MUCH greater freedom when it comes to pre-game protest.


rose-james-irving-cant-breathe-shirts.jpg




Imagine an NFL player doing something like that and what the backlash would be from the league and the team the player was apart of. Now just stop.
 

cdyhybrid

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Oct 25, 2017
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The "they're just trying to protect their bottom line" argument is bullshit, by the way - they're still making money just fine: https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com...Leagues-and-Governing-Bodies/NFL-revenue.aspx

The NFL will take in roughly $14 billion of revenue this season, over $900 million more than last year.

Increased media payments, a new "Thursday Night Football" package, and the opening of the new U.S. Bank Stadium in Minnesota all contributed to the increase.

"It continues unabated," said Marc Ganis, a sports consultant close to the NFL. "When you get above a certain number, it is really hard to move the needle on revenue growth."
 

Gatti-man

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Jan 31, 2018
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Its not a fair comparison. The NBA supports its players in various other ways that the NFL doesn't. For example NBA players have guaranteed contracts and are allowed to make various social media stands without fear of punishment from the league or the owners.


Also NBA players are allowed MUCH greater freedom when it comes to pre-game protest.


rose-james-irving-cant-breathe-shirts.jpg




Imagine an NFL player doing something like that and what the backlash would be from the league and the team the player was apart of. Now just stop.
Pregame they've had a few small protests but nothing as major as kneeling. That was a huge landmark protests. These shirts, you won't see anything about them in history books or even really be remembered. Kap kneeling? I really believe he will be remembered as a landmark sports moment like the black panther salute in the olympics.

If you're going to boycott the NFL and then turn on the NBA to me that's just ridiculous and it's my opinion. Those shirts were like a tiny footnote in the news. Kap and the kneeling movement was far more powerful and for good reason.
 

ry-dog

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Oct 25, 2017
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Shouldn't be a surprise, but those "free speech" activists are only against businesses restricting speech when it affects bigots / Nazis.


I hope people protest the shit out of this decision
 

HockeyBird

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Oct 27, 2017
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The "they're just trying to protect their bottom line" argument is bullshit, by the way - they're still making money just fine: https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com...Leagues-and-Governing-Bodies/NFL-revenue.aspx

To the NFL, it's not about if they lost money compared to the previous year (which of course they didn't), it's about their perception that they didn't get enough money as they could have. Yes they made $900 million more last year, but in their diluted minds they believe "We could have made $1 billion more if not for the kneeling". It's still dumb bullshit of course.
 

Gatti-man

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Jan 31, 2018
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The "they're just trying to protect their bottom line" argument is bullshit, by the way - they're still making money just fine: https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com...Leagues-and-Governing-Bodies/NFL-revenue.aspx
It's not going to work anyways. Look at how angry this forum is. All the trump people might be happy but then tons of youth and people who actually like freedom of speech are going to be turned off. NFL is screwed either way. They are probably hoping people just forget about it.
 

natjjohn

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Oct 25, 2017
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Its not a fair comparison. The NBA supports its players in various other ways that the NFL doesn't. For example NBA players have guaranteed contracts and are allowed to make various social media stands without fear of punishment from the league or the owners.


Also NBA players are allowed MUCH greater freedom when it comes to pre-game protest.


rose-james-irving-cant-breathe-shirts.jpg




Imagine an NFL player doing something like that and what the backlash would be from the league and the team the player was apart of. Now just stop.

NBA players were outright told not to kneel from the highest levels of management and the players all towed the line. If players started kneeling, the NBA would be facing the same backlash as the NFL. Kneeling during the anthem is simply put a much bigger statement than wearing a T-shirt during warm ups.
 

iapetus

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Oct 26, 2017
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Torn as to whether this makes me glad I'm not going to a London game this year or sad that I won't be there to kneel for the US anthem.
 

Jmanunknown

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Oct 26, 2017
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NBA players were outright told not to kneel from the highest levels of management and the players all towed the line. If players started kneeling, the NBA would be facing the same backlash as the NFL. Kneeling during the anthem is simply put a much bigger statement than wearing a T-shirt during warm ups.

That is because the NBA and the NBA players collectively bargained the compromise where as the NFL just forced this on their players. Also on top of that the NBA players have more freedom to get involved in causes and demonstrate which has already been pointed out.
 

Fitts

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Oct 25, 2017
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That is because the NBA and the NBA players collectively bargained the compromise where as the NFL just forced this on their players. Also on top of that the NBA players have more freedom to get involved in causes and demonstrate which has already been pointed out.

Not being a smart ass, but every time I see this brought up the only example that's pointed to are the "I can't breathe" shirts that have been posted above. You can totally ignore this post (and my ignorance) and move on, but I'm genuinely interested in knowing what specific ways NFL players are stifled when NBA players are encouraged.
 

Captain of Outer Space

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Oct 28, 2017
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The NFL doesn't really like any form of free speech on the field and hasn't for 15 years or so at this point, so this is no surprise. They hate players showing any sort of personality that isn't just part of their body. That they get paid for a lot of the patriotism they peddle before and during NFL games is the other part of this that doesn't sit well with me.