I took the suit as either a funeral suit (that is, he thinks this is all going to culminate in his death somehow), or what he wants to be wearing when he walks into the FBI.
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The Americans - S6 - The Final Season of the Keri Russell / Matthew Rhys spy drama - FX Wednesdays
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Agreed, I can live with Phillip making it out but Elizabeth is just inhuman at this point.
Because, as she said in the first scene, if Philip had really wanted to tell her, he could have. Instead, he kept quiet for months.
That's fine but it's also hypocritical. Phillip did what he did for the sake of his country, which is the justification Elizabeth has used for the entirety of her horrific actions.
He was also right to keep it from her because had she known what was going on earlier, she would have worked against his efforts given how entirely zealous and narrow her thought process has been up until very recently.
Her being angry is laughable because all Phillip did was take a move right out of her playbook.
It's funny that she says that as we had a scene in a previous episode where she forcefully shuts him down and, indeed, attempts to keep him from saying anything twice as the opening conversation begins and she remains defensive for the rest of the argument, hearing what Philip is saying but not actually listening. That's why you get remarks like "You don't think I'm a human being?" and "You lied to me for months because of Gorbachev?"
She doesn't want to hear any of it. He "never stops talking". She doesn't want to hear about his "Forum bullshit". She doesn't want to hear about why he wouldn't send a college student into a Bulgarian prison. She doesn't even really want to hear why he might be upset about chopping up a dead body, even though that's not what he wants to talk about. She has forcefully and methodically shut him down at every turn and it finally ends. The whole episode is really about Elizabeth finally hearing things she has spent most of her time willfully ignoring, and the thing that sets it all off is that argument. Betrayal always hurts, even if the other person is right. Perhaps especially if the other person is right. It is completely understandable that she is still mad. Whether or not she is justified is another story. And for the context of that argument, as is often the case in those sorts of arguments, that may not matter at all.
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It's a good suit to die in ;D
This is literally the weirdest time to be saying this.
Is it?
Her sudden realization at her own failings doesn't change the fact that she has shown very little humanity throughout the entirety of this show, going as far as to recruit her own daughter and brainwashing her into the same type of zealotry that turned Elizabeth into little more than a murderous husk.
I have no problem with Phillip burning too; he certainly deserves it but he has also, repeatedly, demonstrated that his actions have left a hefty residual stain on his soul.
Elizabeth is nothing but anger and indignation. Even after realizing she has been little more than a mindless pawn, she still musters the temerity to be angry at Phillip for doing the very same types of things she's done from the beginning.
Elizabeth has made it very clear she places her country above everything, including her family.
Her being angry at Phillip is pathetic and demonstrates her continued immorality coupled with her need to deflect her own egregious behavior and choices.
Elizabeth is the type of person who is fueled by anger; she needs to have an enemy at all times, otherwise she is forced to reflect on what a vacuous and empty person she is.
Yes? To say she's completely inhuman after this episode makes no sense to me, not that she ever was. (Though she obviously comes damn close at times)
Anyways, I'll never agree in saying that one deserves to die more than the other, so glad we agree there. They've both done monstrous things. Whatever happens happens, I'd feel for either of them dying.
It'd be unrealistic if she wasn't angry at him.
Lol, all that emoting, but I won't forget what you've done Philip!
Just finished a full series rewatch, and I have to say that my feelings towards S1 and S4 have gone way up: those were some great seasons; though I think S3 might still be my favorite. Now I can catch up on the final season, and am finishing episode 5. I'm going to really miss these characters, and I even kind of wish we had some filler-ish episodes of some of them just hanging out, but Elizabeth needs to burn for what she has done. At least Philip knows he's done terrible things
So does Elizabeth? How can you have rewatched the entire show and come to that conclusion lol
Is it too late for Philip or Elizabeth to work as double agents? If they suddenly went back to being loyal Russian agents, would the center be suspicious, or would they think their agents have gotten over their identity crisis and are ready to come back into the fold?
Given all they've done, I feel like you'd have to be insane or just as heartless as they have been to allow them to work as double agents. But what do I do, I don't work in that field lol
That said, the Center is always suspicious. I recall a line where Granny outright says that once the Center is concerned about you, they'll never stop being concerned.
That's not in character with the show at all.
I'm expecting the show to end on a muted and more ambiguous note, much like the entire show has been so far. I doubt there will be any big revelations or deaths of major characters. It'll instead focus on the relationships which go up in flames, and perhaps even Stan and others remaining suspicious without any conclusive proof in the end.
Well, I didn't say or mean to imply she's completely inhuman because her not killing that poor kid demonstrates there's some vestige left but when looking at her character as a whole she's demonstrated very little actual humanity and her callousness is continuously chilling.
And I agree entirely that her anger is realistic when considering the dimensions of the character but that doesn't change the fact that her anger is irrational and entirely hypocritical.
It's good writing that further makes me dislike her character. :)
I'm not expecting it, but for a while it seemed like the solution to a lot of their problems. You'd maintain your lifestyle, get your kids protected, get the FBI off your back and avoid prison, and in Philip's case it might offer some sense of redemption. Not to mention it would keep Stan from looking like the biggest dope in the history of the department.
It is, but that's where Elizabeth is at this point. And she's not entirely wrong either.
The actor who plays Stavos has done a lot of work in his tiny screentime to garner a lot of sympathy for me. I feel like I know that guy.
Holy shit that scene in the car was tense.
I don't really see a reason for Renee to exist if she's not a spy. She's either spying on the Jennings, keeping tabs on Stan, or both.
I don't really see a reason for Renee to exist if she's not a spy. She's either spying on the Jennings, keeping tabs on Stan, or both.
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Yeah. The show has never really done pointless red-herrings before. I'm guessing on the finale we find out she's a spy or something.
Poor Stan though if that's the case, girlfriend and neighbor's directly across the street are spies? Shit, son, get a clue!
Can't wait for that convo between Stan and pastor Tim.
Two more ways things could end:
1] Renee actually isn't a spy, but by the end of the story Stan is so fucked up by the Jennings and having his career ruined, paranoia consumes him and he ends up suspecting her of being a spy anyway and leaves her.
2] The season seems to be leaning towards this, but: Phil and Elizabeth are caught/killed while choosing to do the right thing for the first time in their lives. The irony...it hurts...:(
1] Renee actually isn't a spy, but by the end of the story Stan is so fucked up by the Jennings and having his career ruined, paranoia consumes him and he ends up suspecting her of being a spy anyway and leaves her.
2] The season seems to be leaning towards this, but: Phil and Elizabeth are caught/killed while choosing to do the right thing for the first time in their lives. The irony...it hurts...:(
In Season 5, the Jennings (with Paige's permission) made a request to the Center to set up a job in another country that Pastor Tim would accept, in order to get him out of their lives. This was done because Paige had read through his diary, and felt like she could no longer trust him after reading what he wrote about her. Basically, she's over the whole church thing.
But yea, some of what he wrote in his diary regarding his past let them figure out a job that he would actually go for.
This season is incredible. Hands down the best show on TV this year.
Elizabeth: Angel of Death, Destroyer of Lives finally lost her nerve. Jackson got off real easy. That's going to haunt him for a long time. Nice Checkov's Painting tease. Stan got himself a (chain) smoking gun, heh. Keep your damn mouth shout, Stavos! How can Phillip afford the new suit?
The ending with Stan at the window while the Jennings' plan late night missions got my nerves jinglings. Need to calm down before I go to bed LOL.
Elizabeth: Angel of Death, Destroyer of Lives finally lost her nerve. Jackson got off real easy. That's going to haunt him for a long time. Nice Checkov's Painting tease. Stan got himself a (chain) smoking gun, heh. Keep your damn mouth shout, Stavos! How can Phillip afford the new suit?
The ending with Stan at the window while the Jennings' plan late night missions got my nerves jinglings. Need to calm down before I go to bed LOL.
Season three stuff still:
Show seems to be in the mid-life phase where not much really happens, which is to be expected, but Nina being shot in the head was mildly shocking. Martha's still bringing the show to its knees, though, so whatever.
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Just watched the last episode. Man, this had maybe the best acting in the whole series and that's not a small feat since they're always playing great. But the scene at the beginning and Elizabeth's car scene were amazing. So damn good.
Also, I like how the writers make you hate the hell out of Elizabeth only to bring you back to root for her in just one short scene. Such a good and natural plot turn too.
It almost makes you think she's a human being by the end of the episode.
Beautiful and tense episode.
Also, I like how the writers make you hate the hell out of Elizabeth only to bring you back to root for her in just one short scene. Such a good and natural plot turn too.
It almost makes you think she's a human being by the end of the episode.
Beautiful and tense episode.
I'm looking forward to it. The only people I care about at this point are Stan and Henry.
Elizabeth and Phillip both deserve anything bad that comes their way at this point.
So does Paige, honestly.
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Brief TV Insider interview: 'The Americans' Star Matthew Rhys Gets Nostalgic & Teases the Series Finale
OLEG DESERVES TO BE OKAY, DAMN IT
HE DESERVES TO GO HOME AND KISS HIS WIFE AND BABY
STAY OKAY, OLEG
I'm so scared for Oleg
Oleg never killed anybody
HE DESERVES TO GO HOME AND KISS HIS WIFE AND BABY
STAY OKAY, OLEG
I'm so scared for Oleg
Stan murdered an innocent man in retaliation for Chris Amador's death
Oleg never killed anybody
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I just caught up. Oh man. This is getting intense.
I reeeeally want Stan and Oleg to make it to the end.
I reeeeally want Stan and Oleg to make it to the end.
This Father Andre meeting is going to go so poorly....didnt the FBI say that they are tracking him. Phillip don't meet with him :(