We can all agree it is a good business decision but a bad decision for the players right? So lets all hope it will change.
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Fortnite Crossplay XB1 - PS4 | Seems like the ball is in Sony's court ... Again - MOD EDIT: READ OP
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Consumers and devs have been choosing Windows since forever also, and it's not MS's fault other desktop platforms lack the userbase. The arguments made for Sony as a market leader can be applied to the leader of the vast majority of markets, including MS in the desktop realm.
You can not care about crossplay, but his comparison is sound. It also would be if he had used Google in the mobile OS market.
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Coz if are against Ms everything is fine and we have all to scream loud ...if is Sony instead.....
Fortnite is the most played game on Xbox Live though, so I'm not really sure wat you're seeing? It has a massive player base on Xbox, it doesn't *need* cross platform play. Players *want* it though because it's only good for players. It literally has no downside for players.
Wow way to derail, but I'll bite where is this barrage of exclusives from Sony since Q1 2017? I see this narrative brought up all the time but the real answer is since Q2 2017 Sony and MS exclusives have been pretty neck and neck and Sony did not really have much at all in the fall and have not started out very strong in 2018 so far.
It's a narrative that is not actually based on reality and it is sad to see it brought up in every MS thread as some sort of Sony trump card especially when it's not even true
But its not even remotely like that, did you look at the tweet?? Phil Spencer replied to the question he was asked by saying yes, he would like crossplay. He did not butt in to a different tweet not involving him saying 'weeell we want it too!'. He's answering a fans question, that is all. In fact its the Fortnite devs that butt in with the whole 'Me 3' thing. Why is the bitchiness and manipulation being pointed at Microsoft? Can Phil Spencer not answer a god damn question without people crawling down his throat?
This is just an embarrassing read. I hate fanboy mentalities.
half of Sony's twitter feed cross-play talk. I wonder if they'll revisit this issue soon. maybe leave jim ryan on the bench for this one
There are games labelled as Early Access on PS4, but not an official preview program. The PUBG CEO explicitly stated the difference in how QA and approvals work in and outside of an actual preview program, as opposed to simply releasing a game with the view to iterate on it (which would effectively make something like Destiny early access in everything but the label).
Like I said, there are numerous games that are available in Xbox's preview program that aren't available on other platforms until later. MS isn't running around moneyhatting them all into not releasing on PS4.
Jeez, is everyone always this brittle and sensitive here?
This is why crossplay will never happen: imagine the toxic game chat that will happen between console fanboys. It would be epic levels of toxicity. It would make any online game completely unplayable.
That's why a developer like epic won't want crossplay for their game, even if they're currently pretending they do.
This is why crossplay will never happen: imagine the toxic game chat that will happen between console fanboys. It would be epic levels of toxicity. It would make any online game completely unplayable.
That's why a developer like epic won't want crossplay for their game, even if they're currently pretending they do.
Oh come on, as if people playing Fortnite care if you are playing on a DualShock or a Xbox Elite controller. They just want to play. It is a casual game.
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I love how no one here has one single shred of evidence that sony is to blame on this. But a few pr mouthpieces at microsoft point the finger at sony and here we go lol.
And personally I'm glad there isn't crossplay and hope it stays this way. It doesnt benefit me or sony in anyway, shape or form.
Bluehole's CEO specifically said Sonys policies would not let them release PUBG how they want to, so you should probably give him a call and tell him he's wrong about his game.
Ehm, Phil Spencer says he wants crossplay. Epic says they want crossplay. What are we missing that you know? ;)
Defending a business decision is fine, but come on. Crossplay benefits the players. Been using crossplay between pc and Xbox for a while now (Sea of Thieves crossplay is a bliss) and it really helps bringing gamers together.
Maybe that is what Jim meant with protecting the children haha.
Alright fine. Just riddle me this: how will the chat servers work? Will i be able to add PS4 players to my Xbox friends list? Will I be able to with them outside of Fortnite? Will I see what games they're currently playing on PS4 that are console exclusives? I just don't see how this works without breaking a lot of shit that nobody has thought about here yet.
If Epic, Psyonix or any other developer publically pushing for crossplay didn't actually want it, they wouldn't be implementing it at all.
You're likely to see far more toxic communication between console players and PC players in the same games than you ever would between different console platforms, due to the inherent advantages the PC provides over console players. Yet here we are with Epic having found an opt-in system that I think most would be happy with.
Pretending? You really think they are pretending... that makes no sense at all.
Game chat is already toxic as fuck, no one cares what platform you're playing on. This is not an issue with any other game running crossplay.
Its very simple.
EPIC use their in-house servers and account system. You log into your Epic account and add other Epic accounts to your Epic Friends list.
Why are you even here if all you care about is yourself rather than the community?
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You just admitted there's early access on ps4, destroying your own point in the process.
Again, pubg is not on ps4 because of microsoft and microsoft alone, period.
Just as it does with Rocket League. Every player has their own ID but it won't be fully integrated in PSN/XBL. You can invite people per ID, but there is no integration whatsoever. I'd prefer full integration, but that's never gonna happen. The SteamAPI for games like Killer Instinct doesn't even work that way.
It'd be cool if cross-play was a thing for ALL games in general, I presume it would bring it's own set of challenges but overall for online focused games it would definitely be better as whole (both for the devs and for players themselves).
On the other hand, despite how cool it would be, when you're leading (by quite a healthy distance) the hardware "war" (and by association, the consumer "war"), what real reasons do you have to allow your competitors to tap into your consumer base? Outside of some extra "good PR" for Sony, nothing much would really change on their end. Hence why I guess they see little to no reason to do this ( and/or legit technical issues on the PSN side of things makes them fearful of even trying? Not sure, but given how tricky PSN is sometimes, I wouldn't be too surprised at technical issues being part of the reason) and why I *think* it won't really happen this gen.
It would be cool if they proved me wrong though, nothing wrong with having even more people to play with online (plus, going back to the assumption of this becoming a reality for ALL games, it would mean you and your buddies could own different hardware, with no real issues).
On the other hand, despite how cool it would be, when you're leading (by quite a healthy distance) the hardware "war" (and by association, the consumer "war"), what real reasons do you have to allow your competitors to tap into your consumer base? Outside of some extra "good PR" for Sony, nothing much would really change on their end. Hence why I guess they see little to no reason to do this ( and/or legit technical issues on the PSN side of things makes them fearful of even trying? Not sure, but given how tricky PSN is sometimes, I wouldn't be too surprised at technical issues being part of the reason) and why I *think* it won't really happen this gen.
It would be cool if they proved me wrong though, nothing wrong with having even more people to play with online (plus, going back to the assumption of this becoming a reality for ALL games, it would mean you and your buddies could own different hardware, with no real issues).
I don't know I've had problems finding healthy players in any online game on ps4 yet?
There's a lot of ps4 gamers online
What? It already works on rocket league between switch and Xbox. And other games too.
It was turned on accidentally by Epic on FN too.
It works. There isn't an issue with that. Stop trying to retrace history and pretend there are massive issues when crossplay already exists cross console.
Don't start crying when MS will force uwp just because it benefit their fan base their console their Os and them as company. Just "please understand"
So Apple is anti-consumer for not letting android users use the App Store? Am i getting this right?
Mmm what? Are we talking about Crossplay here or Lootboxes? Can SONY add Lootboxes on Fortnite or that is EPIC's prerogative?
Ok I'll humour you; Regarding lootboxes I can tell you that if SONY thought adding them to their games would be a good business decision they would do so, and if they think that the ill-will and backlash from the community they would get is too much they won't do so.
But not only SONY, that is a debate all companies an developers are having internally at the moment. Some will not add any lootboxes, some will go the cosmetic way, some will go full out...we'll see that develop in the coming years. It will depend on what their particular business model is, and there won't be an universal solution that works for all of them. Some solutions will work for some companies, and some solutions will work for others, depending on many factors
We as customers can vote with our wallets and support the companies and developers we want. Buy the games and consoles we want. If enough players are outraged by SONY's decision regarding cross-play they will act upon it.I don't think is an issue for most PS4 players though, so I don't see SONY changing his stance during this generation
Yes, right now there are. How about in 4 years time? Or how about indie titles, smaller games, older games, etc. Developers can keep a healthy player base for a longer period of time with crossplay.
Crossplay isn't that ....
On the other hand apple is famous for doing anticonsumer things
Isn't that what they call anti-consumerism? Didn't they want to extend this deal too?
Your argument that there shouldn't be anything to say as its Sony's decision based on their bottom line was odd.
The same could apply to any company and lootboxes. "It boosts their profit so there isn't much to say".
In my opinion third party exclusive deals are anti-consumerism. So PUBG, Crash Bandicoot, etc. are a bad thing.
It amazes me that so many people are against cross play between xbox, ps4, and switch. I mean it only ends up benefiting you and also the developers. If lawbreakers was out for xbox and switch wouldn't fans of that game on ps4 want cross play with those system? If you enjoy a game that has a tiny active player count this would help keep your game alive with a bigger pool of players. We know the game is dead on PC so I am assuming on ps4 there isn't a bunch of people playing it.
Currently Xbox players are not having issues finding a game for fortnite. I played it last night and it matches in seconds. There isn't a necessity for xplay on the xbox with how popular fortnite is but I can see why the developers would want it. They can keep players engaged on all different types of platforms. If I could play my same dude on PS4, Mac, iOS, and Xbox that would make me play more, buy more stuff. Also they could even create more playlist that would split their pool of players, but with a bigger pool they would have more people playing each of the different playlist guaranteeing people matching with each other.
One last thing, I see people talking about MS deal with PUBG. That game is unfinished and is in the preview program. Sony doesn't offer this program to game developers, (some how epic can do it but so far that is it). Once PUBG hits 1.0 on the xbox I am sure it will be coming out on ps4, and you better believe people will be talking about xplay again.
Currently Xbox players are not having issues finding a game for fortnite. I played it last night and it matches in seconds. There isn't a necessity for xplay on the xbox with how popular fortnite is but I can see why the developers would want it. They can keep players engaged on all different types of platforms. If I could play my same dude on PS4, Mac, iOS, and Xbox that would make me play more, buy more stuff. Also they could even create more playlist that would split their pool of players, but with a bigger pool they would have more people playing each of the different playlist guaranteeing people matching with each other.
One last thing, I see people talking about MS deal with PUBG. That game is unfinished and is in the preview program. Sony doesn't offer this program to game developers, (some how epic can do it but so far that is it). Once PUBG hits 1.0 on the xbox I am sure it will be coming out on ps4, and you better believe people will be talking about xplay again.
No, I said their are games labelled as Early Access on PS4. They'd be subject to the same approval processes of any other full released game however, which PUBG apparently wouldn't satisfy currently.
No... this isn't a discussion on exclusive software or store access.
He'l, I didn't even call anything "anti-consumer" (I think the term is heavily abused in the gaming realm to basically translate to "something I don't like").
If Apple didn't let WhatsApp, Skype, Words With Friends, etc network with Android versions (or more accurately vice-versa given market positions), then to you'd have a more accurate comparison.
No its not. Its on Xbox first because MS have a proper curated early access program and offered bluehole support and resources to develop a console version.
End of. There are countless games exclusive to PS4 for an amount of time in the same situation.
But I can crossplay between IOS and Android without no extra work. Sony can keep they're exclusives as exclusive as they want, but preventing cross-play from a 3rd party
is just being a asshole.
In exchange Sony should ask for a Linux version of Office and DirectX 12 under a GNU license.
Would be so great for consumers.
Would be so great for consumers.
Again early access is on ps4. This is a result of Microsofts doing and Microsofts alone.
End of.
Dude, I just pointed out where you were console warring. How are you even arguing that you're not. Come on!
The only one I'm accusing of console warring is you because YOU are. There were a couple other posts you made that were similar but I won't dredge them up right now. We're getting off topic. Just let it go.
Sadly... Im very sure that Ms is more than happy with Sony saying no.....they are correctly using this as a PR against them
There are enough players between XB+PC anyway.
Is there a point adding in a few more millions from PS4? The game has so many players on anyway that it is almost impossible not to get matched up quickly.
Beside, isn't there already Cross play between PS and XB players already? If PS player selects PC server, couldn't XB player join the same PC server?
I am so confused how a PC server can determine if you can play with PS/XB players or not.
Is that how the PC server work or nah?
Is there a point adding in a few more millions from PS4? The game has so many players on anyway that it is almost impossible not to get matched up quickly.
Beside, isn't there already Cross play between PS and XB players already? If PS player selects PC server, couldn't XB player join the same PC server?
I am so confused how a PC server can determine if you can play with PS/XB players or not.
Is that how the PC server work or nah?
It is weird that on one system it says beta where as the other it says early access
Well, you know how marketing and PR and social media works right? (
A guy in his position is not just answering to a fan question like he has nothing else to do and which was already answered months ago, if a question like that comes in, they know exactly that this is an opportunity to create pressure to Sony, to create media buzz, to create discussions like exactly this f'n thread. He already said that a few months ago, but well, just doing this again and BOOM, another 20 pages thread on ERA with, once again in the headline "Seems like the ball is in Sony's court ... Again".
"Just answering a fan question".
It seems like there is PLENTY of interest in cross play. Hell, there are 20 pages currently to THIS thread. Countless more for the Rocket League thread, Minecraft thread, etc. It will get brought up EVERY TIME a game wants to offer it but Sony shuts it down. And that's a good thing. We gotta keep on Sony for their bs decision.
And as already been mentioned a few times, cross play would not only benefit Microsoft. It would benefit Sony as well and the publishers of cross play games.
If...
the developers can guarantee that there is no cheating things influence the experience of console player. Then I would say yes
But look at PUBG. how many accounts been banned every month on PC?
Does Microsoft itself support PUBG crossplay on both PC and Xbox now?
Well.....
you might say it's another long long story.