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Where do I go to level after I hit 30? I've been doing Quest but they seem to jump from 20 to 40+ and I'm pretty damn confused
 

GenericBadGuy

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Where do I go to level after I hit 30? I've been doing Quest but they seem to jump from 20 to 40+ and I'm pretty damn confused

It's nearly impossible to tie level requirements to the main quests. It's weird in that regard.

It seems more like the best way to level on a curve is to just wander around and do events. If you are the only person who enters a zone, the enemies scale to your level to an extent. I would explore the southwestern and northeastern bits of the map.
 

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It's nearly impossible to tie level requirements to the main quests. It's weird in that regard.

It seems more like the best way to level on a curve is to just wander around and do events. If you are the only person who enters a zone, the enemies scale to your level to an extent. I would explore the southwestern and northeastern bits of the map.
I've been struggling in the southwestern area pretty hard. I made a huge mistake and took over one of the little campsites that you can take over and it was jacked up by a scorch beast for some reason. I'll try the northeast
 

NaturalHigh

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Getting hit with the failed to launch again on PC. Validating files for second time in 3 days.

I've tried run as administrator to no avail. Then I googled it and it said to just double click the exe in the game folder to bypass the launcher. Guess what...there is no exe to be found in the Fallout folder. I'd seriously like to know wtf is going on with this.

Edit: Validate didnt fix it this time. The exe files are def missing from the 76 folder. This has to be some kind of permission issue since I have it installed on the SSD along with Windows. The fix I'm trying next is to copy the Fallout folder somewhere else on the same drive, uninstall 76 then reinstall it to new path.

Edit2: Just ran another validate before I did that and lo and behold the exe file is back where it is supposed to be and game is ready to run. For real this is fucking bonkers.

Edit3: Just added some exclusions to Malware and Avast. That is the only thing that makes sense to me. I found no evidence of either of them quarantining the exe file but I guess I'll find out.
 
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Grimace McRib

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Probably already been mentioned, but if you have a meijer close and join mperks today you can get $25 off, $10 off, and $10GC after purchase, all stack. $15 for a game that just came out? I'm in.
 

littleworm

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Man, launching a nuke is tough. Me and a pal took over some other groups work who were like 50% done with the final step, and it still took everything we could muster to get it done, coupled with a heavy helping of spamming robots at their objectives.
 

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What is it with mobs in this game. You try to go to a place, trigger one and then an army of 10+ comes just rushing at you. Sometimes like 20 levels above you. I hate it.

Also, at first it seemed I Was owning everyone, but now I am having issue with the lower levels mobs. Is it because I need to keep updating to the leveled weapons? Or is it just like this?
 

PanzerKraken

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What is it with mobs in this game. You try to go to a place, trigger one and then an army of 10+ comes just rushing at you. Sometimes like 20 levels above you. I hate it.

Also, at first it seemed I Was owning everyone, but now I am having issue with the lower levels mobs. Is it because I need to keep updating to the leveled weapons? Or is it just like this?

It's because the game doesn't scale for multiplayer. They pump many buildings and areas with huge mobs of enemies to compensate for potential groups of players working together.

For solo players it sucks when you walk into and trigger a small army coming after you. Its a problem with the whole game's encounter design, there is no scaling or consideration for amount of players, especially in events, so everything is preset encounters which are tuned in many cases for potential groups of players.

Destiny and various MMOs that deal with public quests and events have scaling systems to try and compensate and balance the encounter for the amount of players, they did none of that in Fallout 76 so it's kinda messy
 

Grisby

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As a player above level 50, I can say you will need to have a play style in mind by the time you reach higher levels. At level 50 you stop getting SPECIAL points, and you can only go to 15 in one SPECIAL stat.

The easiest thing to do in my opinion is picture all the perk cards you want on at one time while generally playing the game, and level your SPECIAL around that. In order to do that you need to know what all the perk cards are, so you would have to look them up online. For crafting cards you wont have those on all the time, so don't factor that in except for the minimum to use them. I wanted to melee, so I put on the melee cards I wanted in a build planning tool as well as some explosives cards and quality of life cards. That ended up with me at like 15, 13, 5...and so on. The hard part is SPECIAL. It's a lot easier to do perk cards since you can get them past level 50. Since you can't respec until who knows when, unfortunately it pays to be careful.

You can equip as many perk cards as that stat can handle, so yes you have 15 one-star perks of you wanted. Sometimes it's more worth it to equip a weaker card that costs 1 than slightly stronger cards that would cost 9.
Strength: 12
Perception: 8
Endurance: 8
Charisma: 3
Intelligence: 9
Agility: 8
Luck: 8
Each level of a card is worth one point. you could have 2 level 4 perks for a stat that you have 8 total allowance in or any combination as long as they don't exceed the limit. It does help to to swap cards out, but I do it mainly for crafting.
Ok, I think I get it. You can't reset your points right? I don't remember being able to in F3, F4.
 

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You can't, but Bethesda mentioned in one of their update posts (I forget if it was pre launch or post) that they are looking at adding a respec option.
 

Wallach

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Ok, I think I get it. You can't reset your points right? I don't remember being able to in F3, F4.

You can't currently but they have said this is a feature they're going to add relatively soon.

What is it with mobs in this game. You try to go to a place, trigger one and then an army of 10+ comes just rushing at you. Sometimes like 20 levels above you. I hate it.

Also, at first it seemed I Was owning everyone, but now I am having issue with the lower levels mobs. Is it because I need to keep updating to the leveled weapons? Or is it just like this?

Enemies in this game cast a pretty wide awareness net when they are damaged. It's particularly bad in large indoor spaces; if you start a firefight right after you walk into the DMV (which is part of the capitol building) you will generally get direct attention from every enemy on the second and third connected floors within a pretty far radius. Usually you'll pull anywhere from 10 to 20 enemies to your location (depending on where they are at the time on the above floors). It's pretty annoying.

I'm not sure why you are having issues with lower level mobs, though. They use their level to scale, so if they are actually low level they shouldn't be any harder than if you had encountered them while lower level yourself.
 

phaeta

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Getting hit with the failed to launch again on PC. Validating files for second time in 3 days.

I've tried run as administrator to no avail. Then I googled it and it said to just double click the exe in the game folder to bypass the launcher. Guess what...there is no exe to be found in the Fallout folder. I'd seriously like to know wtf is going on with this.

Edit: Validate didnt fix it this time. The exe files are def missing from the 76 folder. This has to be some kind of permission issue since I have it installed on the SSD along with Windows. The fix I'm trying next is to copy the Fallout folder somewhere else on the same drive, uninstall 76 then reinstall it to new path.

Edit2: Just ran another validate before I did that and lo and behold the exe file is back where it is supposed to be and game is ready to run. For real this is fucking bonkers.

Edit3: Just added some exclusions to Malware and Avast. That is the only thing that makes sense to me. I found no evidence of either of them quarantining the exe file but I guess I'll find out.
At this point maybe play another game? Don't waste your precious time on this mess.
 

Steel

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It's because the game doesn't scale for multiplayer. They pump many buildings and areas with huge mobs of enemies to compensate for potential groups of players working together.

For solo players it sucks when you walk into and trigger a small army coming after you. Its a problem with the whole game's encounter design, there is no scaling or consideration for amount of players, especially in events, so everything is preset encounters which are tuned in many cases for potential groups of players.

Destiny and various MMOs that deal with public quests and events have scaling systems to try and compensate and balance the encounter for the amount of players, they did none of that in Fallout 76 so it's kinda messy
On the other hand, if you have a group all the enemies are meant to be possible to take down solo so it gets braindead easy.
 

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Is this some kind of sick joke? I was just changing worlds and this was waiting for me:


Take me home, country road...

Also I've solo'd the entire thing so far, yes the pack sizes for enemies is huge but not entirely unfair, lone wander perk card is fantastic so get it.

Also just check out West tec in the mountains if you want to see how stupid it gets as the west wing is insane Solo, used 7 frag and 3 plasma grenades to survive that bullshit and is a good example of where scaling should exist as it has like 50 super mutants in an environment where one bullet triggers nearly all of them to rush you.
 

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Take me home, country road...

Also I've solo'd the entire thing so far, yes the pack sizes for enemies is huge but not entirely unfair, lone wander perk card is fantastic so get it.

Also just check out West tec in the mountains if you want to see how stupid it gets as the west wing is insane Solo, used 7 frag and 3 plasma grenades to survive that bullshit and is a good example of where scaling should exist as it has like 50 super mutants in an environment where one bullet triggers nearly all of them to rush you.

It's a great place to level up though. Me and my friend found that place at level 20, and now we are level 88 and 90. Get a good supply of mini nukes as well from killing the 2 dudes outside the front door.
 

Kyoufu

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So what are you guys doing for levels? I'm 7 and I've got about two in every category. It's werid since this is a survival type game and there's no dialogue trees I'm not playing in my normal fallout fashion.

What did you higher level players focus on? Does it hurt to keep them all even in the end run?

Also, do you end up being able to equip multiple cards onto a category? It would kind of suck to have to keep switching the cards in and out.

I wouldn't worry about it. A respec option is coming soon so you can pick what you like for now. Go for perks that seem useful to you and your needs.

Also people need to use Power Armor. It makes groups of enemies much easier.
 

PanzerKraken

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On the other hand, if you have a group all the enemies are meant to be possible to take down solo so it gets braindead easy.

Many encounters you run into simply can't be solo'd. You run into an army of molemen, about your level, it's a tough fight, you can fight them one by one sure, but in a horde..... oh wait that lvl 20 group you are fighting is lead by a lvl 45 boss moleminer who can two shot you. Not exactly a balanced encounter for a single player. They literally just overpopulate encounters to attempt to give the game some semblance of difficulty when playing in groups, it doesn't exactly work with how preset everything is and lack of scaling
 

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It's a great place to level up though. Me and my friend found that place at level 20, and now we are level 88 and 90. Get a good supply of mini nukes as well from killing the 2 dudes outside the front door.
Oh I've just been leveling by exploring, haven't even reached that side of the map yet but very good to know.

I already know whitestone after a nuke is stupidly good xp because my friends (whom I'm ignoring to solo this) have gotten to 115 just doing that. Plus the legrndaries that drop are excellent with the enemies also being cake to kill, minus the randomly super saiyan like radscorpions that show up every now and then.
 

Wallach

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I feel like the danger of getting swarmed is mostly at lower level when your incoming damage isn't under control even for things like explosives to dig you out of a bad hole fast enough.

Power armor is pretty much required for the solo player, I feel. Maybe groups too, I just haven't done any of that so far. Even then, you're going to be able to hit high levels of DR and gain a bunch of legendary mods out of power armor at the very high end of the scale (i.e. mass high level farming) so maybe the opportunity cost will go back to making sense. But in the 20-50+ range, if you're solo you're generally best off using power armor. It's simply too easy to acquire and maintain fusion cores to not leverage the advantages. Especially the Excavator set which will give you an additional 100 lbs carry weight.

If you're still having issues in solo with power armor, you probably are either not leaning into VATS critical (i.e. Luck perks) enough or are ignoring explosives. Do not ignore explosives, they are generally worth the weight and perk investments regardless of what your primary weapon choices are. Similarly, critical perks are pretty crazy in this game and will greatly enhance the effectiveness particularly of front-loaded weapons (lever-action rifles, revolvers, shotguns in particular). The only one I'm still trying to weigh is Critical Savvy, because Four-Leaf Clover is so stupidly good that it may not even be worth the opportunity cost (because the odds are not that high for you to fail to proc Four-Leaf Clover between the 55% and 100% points in in the critical meter anyway). Better Criticals and Grim Reaper's Sprint however are incredible effective multipliers on conjunction with Four-Leaf Clover and I don't know how many builds I would make that didn't take 7 Luck to get these three perks rolling (1 point in Better Criticals is the easiest to justify, but I could also justify maxing Better Criticals too).

I think the rifles and revolvers even have a slight benefit here since their damage-related perks are in Perception rather than Strength, and Strength competes with a lot of very justifiable weight reduction perks, whereas I don't feel Perception has a lot of competing value outside of damage increases. Most of the non-damage perks in Perception are easy to swap in for a task (like picking a lock) and then swapping back to your damage perks, whereas it is harder to do that with weight reduction perks (which need to be sustained to confer any meaningful benefit).
 

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Many encounters you run into simply can't be solo'd. You run into an army of molemen, about your level, it's a tough fight, you can fight them one by one sure, but in a horde..... oh wait that lvl 20 group you are fighting is lead by a lvl 45 boss moleminer who can two shot you. Not exactly a balanced encounter for a single player. They literally just overpopulate encounters to attempt to give the game some semblance of difficulty when playing in groups, it doesn't exactly work with how preset everything is and lack of scaling

Most things my level are really easy to take down. Have you upgraded your gun? Got one that's current level? Just kite groups until they're down to one mob.

Get power armor also.
 
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So I've been pretty absent from the game due to Thanksgiving and whatnot, but I have a question about the main quest

Do you encounter the Enclave naturally? I know they're beneath the Whitespring Resort and that the access code is on the nuclear dump site to the east guarded by Deathclaws, but I want to know if I should go there now or wait until the story takes me there.
 

ZangBa

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I'm level 42 and I've never felt overwhelmed to an unwinnable point. There was an event I did clearly designed with 4 people in mind, but it was one of the most fun solo experiences I had decimating hordes of Super Mutants, besides the single digit framerate of course but let's just not talk about that. Maybe it depends on the build people pursue, but I've dealt with most encounters with a melee weapon without any melee perks, and one of my 3 shotguns for anything that needs to die quick or is just a tougher monster in general. I'm built for shotguns and the double barrel is a monster, and with the right perks, stunlocks even the most difficult creatures I've come across. I've honestly felt the number level enemies have is mostly meaningless, more of a guideline than anything.
 
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I'm level 42 and I've never felt overwhelmed to an unwinnable point. There was an event I did clearly designed with 4 people in mind, but it was one of the most fun solo experiences I had decimating hordes of Super Mutants, besides the single digit framerate of course but let's just not talk about that. Maybe it depends on the build people pursue, but I've dealt with most encounters with a melee weapon without any melee perks, and one of my 3 shotguns for anything that needs to die quick or is just a tougher monster in general. I'm built for shotguns and the double barrel is a monster, and with the right perks, stunlocks even the most difficult creatures I've come across. I've honestly felt the number level enemies have is mostly meaningless, more of a guideline than anything.
Yeah it is but I came across a pump action silenced shotgun that does 8 less damage than my double barrel (80 as opposed to 88) and I've been rocking that one lately, figure I can put more rounds on target quicker with the pump action. I'm only level 20 though
 

Dick Whitman

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Anyone who bought this should honestly be ashamed for enabling Bethesda's recklessness.
 

ZangBa

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Yeah it is but I came across a pump action silenced shotgun that does 8 less damage than my double barrel (80 as opposed to 88) and I've been rocking that one lately, figure I can put more rounds on target quicker with the pump action. I'm only level 20 though

Yea I use all 3 types of shotguns, at least the only 3 types I've found so far(Combat, Pump, Double). I like all 3 of them but try to stick to the Double Barrel because it conserves ammo. I don't like reloading the Pump Action during big fights either tbh. All of them are pretty good though.
 

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It's because the game doesn't scale for multiplayer. They pump many buildings and areas with huge mobs of enemies to compensate for potential groups of players working together.

For solo players it sucks when you walk into and trigger a small army coming after you. Its a problem with the whole game's encounter design, there is no scaling or consideration for amount of players, especially in events, so everything is preset encounters which are tuned in many cases for potential groups of players.

Destiny and various MMOs that deal with public quests and events have scaling systems to try and compensate and balance the encounter for the amount of players, they did none of that in Fallout 76 so it's kinda messy
It doesn't always happen though.

I want to say maybe having other arou d might trigger it as I have mobs just spawn but it needs to be aorted out in some way
 

Wallach

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Yea I use all 3 types of shotguns, at least the only 3 types I've found so far(Combat, Pump, Double). I like all 3 of them but try to stick to the Double Barrel because it conserves ammo. I don't like reloading the Pump Action during big fights either tbh. All of them are pretty good though.

I feel like the pump-action is the odd man out in the shotgun trio. Feels like it is maybe more for those that aren't using shotguns for primary and want a more flexible shotgun to make a secondary use of shotgun shells. With shotguns as primary I think it's probably better to just run the combat shotgun and double-barrel, with the latter doing most of the work. I'm not even sure the combat shotgun will last the long term as it has slowly felt like even that has gotten less useful as my VATS critical side perks developed, and DR hits a point where you can just kind of walk into effective range.
 

PanzerKraken

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Most things my level are really easy to take down. Have you upgraded your gun? Got one that's current level? Just kite groups until they're down to one mob.

Get power armor also.

It's not that it's difficult, but it's clearly designed areas for group play where you have hordes of enemies along with high end boss monster mixed in.

The open game world is pretty simple, easy going, then you go into abuilding and you are bum rushed by a horde of enemies that even FO4 never tossed your way. Or you trigger an outpost or small town area and you got 15+ enemies plus a boss swarming you. The encounters are all over the place. The more "dungeon" like areas need a solo player to be pretty well geared and over leveled in cases to move through with ease, the volume of enemies feels like a MMO mob design
 
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Dick Whitman

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Yeah, how dare we have fun with a great game.

Recklessness. Lol.

A great game. Lol. I love fallout, and while I was legitimately looking forward to 76 and hoping perhaps naively that it would represent a logical evolution in the series, or at least address some of the shortcomings of the previous entry, I refuse to drop $60 on an early-access title at best. Fortunately, it seems like I am in the majority, hence the historically bad launch for this game, which no doubt will serve as a lesson for Bethesda.
 
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ZangBa

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I feel like the pump-action is the odd man out in the shotgun trio. Feels like it is maybe more for those that aren't using shotguns for primary and want a more flexible shotgun to make a secondary use of shotgun shells. With shotguns as primary I think it's probably better to just run the combat shotgun and double-barrel, with the latter doing most of the work. I'm not even sure the combat shotgun will last the long term as it has slowly felt like even that has gotten less useful as my VATS critical side perks developed, and DR hits a point where you can just kind of walk into effective range.

I kind of agree with you, though I've already felt the Combat Shotgun as fallen off for me unfortunately. The DPS seems lower than the DB overall and of course it doesn't have the burst damage. Although in situations where an enemy or enemies aren't going to die quick, it's nice to switch between them all and ignoring reloading entirely until you have to. I also have the Quick Hands perk to help with that.
 

fracas

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I'm not very interested in this game, as much as I love Fallout. However, a friend of mine is really wanting to do some co-op.

Is it worth the $35 for some mindless co-op fun? I can have fun with just about anything in a group.
 

Kyoufu

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I'm not very interested in this game, as much as I love Fallout. However, a friend of mine is really wanting to do some co-op.

Is it worth the $35 for some mindless co-op fun? I can have fun with just about anything in a group.

Yeah, it's a good co-op experience with friends, especially if you like Fallout in general.
 

Skatterd

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It's a pretty toxic attitude to call out people for getting some level of enjoyment over a goddam video game, no matter how buggy it is. What's the gain there? Is this expectation for people to say, "You sure showed us, we hate this now?"

Saying a game is bad and broken, sure fine. Unnecessarily antagonizing people that bought or are getting something out of it, that's worse than releasing a buggy video game in my book.
 

Gero

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when is the next patch? Nobody knows i assume. Really hope it comes with a bunch of fixes but i doubt it. Wonder if they'll ever fix the framerate on consoles... probably never
 

Gamer @ Heart

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A great game. Lol. I love fallout, and while I was legitimately looking forward to 76 and hoping perhaps naively that it would represent a logical evolution in the series, or at least address some of the shortcomings of the previous entry, I refuse to drop $60 on an early-access title at best. Fortunately, it seems like I am in the majority, hence the historically bad launch for this game, which no doubt will serve a lesson for Bethesda.

It's childish and toxic to just walk into an OT with the bullshit you did and I'm shocked you only got warned. Have some class and let people enjoy what they enjoy.
 

Steel

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm not very interested in this game, as much as I love Fallout. However, a friend of mine is really wanting to do some co-op.

Is it worth the $35 for some mindless co-op fun? I can have fun with just about anything in a group.
I regret buying it because my friends bought it. There are so many better co-op games out there.
 

EndlessNever

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Finally picked the game up on sale for half off, so I decided to jump in tonight for a bit. First thing first, the main thing the game manages to keep from the other titles is an interesting world that is fun to explore. That's the basically the base of the game and it works as well as any of the other games, maybe even a bit more because the world seems very promising.

The main quest though? I don't know, I hope it gets better as I go on, because right now it's just uninteresting when you're told to go to locations to look for people that you know are already dead.

As for the enemies, I actually like the scorched and the different types of them along with the new animals and stuff.

I'll keep playing as I enjoy doing what I did in the other games, just exploring and stuff.
 

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What, I...what?!

I have a quest to retrieve an item from the Whitesprings Resort, and I kept getting thrashed. There are plenty of ghouls that I can handle; level 15-20ish, but then this Level 60 asshole jumps out and tears me a new one. What the everlasting fuck?

Also, any tips for making bank on caps? I feel like I'm always scraping by.
 
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