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It's funny seeing people who played COD campaigns view these sales as some big statement against SP games, when the reality is that very few people bought cod for the campaign. its long been seen as an irrelevant piece of content for most of the fanbase.
 

Deleted member 46641

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Realistically, I only think Treyarch will be dropping multiplayer long term. The next infinity ward and sledgehammer will almost certainly have singleplayer.
 

Dr. Caroll

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Oct 27, 2017
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single player games have been selling like crazy this year. cod dropping single player isn't going to change that.
Open world singleplayer games have been selling like crazy. Linear ones, not so much. And that is the crux. If Titanfall 2 had been an open world sandbox modeled after Ubisoft's Far Cry games it would have sold way better than it did. A singleplayer game that is only several hours long is an extremely hard sell in the modern market. Really they're passion projects that are subsidized. Either you're subsidized by a hardware manufacturer or the game publisher attaches an extremely popular MP mode to your game to help drive sales.
 

Euron

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Oct 27, 2017
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That's because the Black Ops 3 single player is pretty bad. If you're going to put a campaign in the game and do the bare minimum just for the sake of having one, you might as well not have one at all and instead shift the focus onto things that developers actually want to (or able to given time constraints) make. Blackout is a pretty good mode and that's entirely why the sales are the way they are.

This isn't exactly the death of single player campaigns but instead the end of the needing to force a campaign into every shooter to pad content.

Edit: Removed the part about WWII since apparently the campaign was good.

Open world singleplayer games have been selling like crazy. Linear ones, not so much. And that is the crux. If Titanfall 2 had been an open world sandbox modeled after Ubisoft's Far Cry games it would have sold way better than it did. A singleplayer game that is only several hours long is an extremely hard sell in the modern market. Really they're passion projects that are subsidized. Either you're subsidized by a hardware manufacturer or the game publisher attaches an extremely popular MP mode to your game to help drive sales.
I still think that if Titanfall 2 didn't come out in between Battlefield 1 and CoD Infinite Warfare it would have had above average sales. The campaign and multiplayer are both excellent and word of mouth would have likely carried it if people weren't already busy with other games. Open world wouldn't have changed things, it was always being sent to die being an FPS released in between the 2 biggest FPS games on the market.
 

Thrill_house

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Oct 27, 2017
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Well yeah. The campaign was always a fun, michael bay like experience but when it comes down to it, people buy cod for multiplayer.

And this one had battle royale. Done deal for most cod fans.
 

Garlador

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Oct 30, 2017
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I'm way out of the loop, but the only single player campaign I EVER heard anyone universally say they enjoyed was COD4: Modern Warfare. And mostly for the nuke scene.

I think the Battle Royale fad is just too strong at this point to ever think a multiplayer-only game wouldn't succeed. The real question is whether it'll be sustainable in the years to come after the market saturation reaches its peak.

Though by then it'll probably be something else they'll toss in, so who knows.
 

Dr. Caroll

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That's because the Black Ops 3 (and CoD WWII from what I heard) single player is pretty bad. If you're going to put a campaign in the game and do the bare minimum just for the sake of having one, you might as well not have one at all and instead shift the focus onto things that developers actually want to (or able to given time constraints) make. Blackout is a pretty good mode and that's entirely why the sales are the way they are.

This isn't exactly the death of single player campaigns but instead the end of the needing to force a campaign into every shooter to pad content.
WWII had a very good campaign overall. The French Resistance mission was a particular highlight. It also fully ditched elements such as regenerating health, which was refreshing. Its predecessor from Sledgehammer, Advanced Warfare, was exceptional. These games are made by people who worked on series like Dead Space. Sledgehammer is basically the parts of Visceral that made Dead Space 1, and left during the development of Dead Space 2. You think they wake up in the morning and say, "Yea, I'd rather work on a Battle Royale mode than the singleplayer expreriences I joined the games industry to make"?
 

Dabanton

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'd rather they have more BR maps than SP

Tbh they could fashion the BR maps for open world content maybe co-op?

On Xbox I completed all the character 'stories' and unlocked a rare achievement so it seems many people just jumped into MP.
 

massoluk

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think most people that cared about CoD story have moved on to other franchises, honestly. It's become a multiplayer franchise like since Black Ops or before
 

Euron

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WWII had a very good campaign overall. The French Resistance mission was a particular highlight. It also fully ditched elements such as regenerating health, which was refreshing. Its predecessor from Sledgehammer, Advanced Warfare, was exceptional. These games are made by people who worked on series like Dead Space. Sledgehammer is basically the parts of Visceral that made Dead Space 1, and left during the development of Dead Space 2. You think they wake up in the morning and say, "Yea, I'd rather work on a Battle Royale mode than the singleplayer expreriences I joined the games industry to make"?
That sounds interesting and a nice change from the modern and future warfare games. I doubt Visceral would prefer to ditch single player experiences but I can't say the same about Treyarch. It's odd to me because the Black Ops 1 campaign was a blast and Black Ops 2's was one of the best in the series but 3's was such a drastic drop off that it made me feel Treyarch just wanted to move in a different direction but was afraid of backlash.
 

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That's not too surprising. All of the CoD campaigns this gen outside of Infinite Warfare and Kevin Spacey(which, yeah), have been really weak. There was a time where you could justify buying a CoD just on the back of its campaign, but that time has passed.
 

Remember

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Oct 29, 2017
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You guys are all doom and gloom on single player because of an Activision title? Activision, of all publishers, is making you feel this way in 2018?
 

SmarmySmurf

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Nov 5, 2017
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Having NPD numbers isn't nearly good enough to declare such a thing even if the analyst is actually trustworthy, and this guy certainly isn't.
 

Kill3r7

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Oct 25, 2017
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BR is huge. Plus, COD has been MP focused for a while now. IMO, IW is the best COD campaign this gen and it sold the worst.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Come on Infinity Ward you are our only hope!
Bring it home with MW4 or IW2!

On a side note:
I'm honestly fine if Treyarch remains MP only COD developers. Their strengths have always been Zombies and they have (in my opinion) made the best COD MPs.

As for Infinity Ward on the hand, I think they should double down on the campaign after Ghosts and Infinite Warfare's mediocre Multiplayer.

Sledgehammer is currently half/half, they have made solid campaigns and ok Multiplayer.
Ghosts was fun, don't care what anyone says. IW's mp problems are a result of it being blops 3.5 imo. Activisionhsouldve let infinity ward make the map they wanted to instead of copying blops as a base.
 
Nov 3, 2017
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Red dead is the second best seller of the year no mp still. God of war and Spider-Man two of the best selling games in Sony history no mp.

While those games do show SP can still thrive, I think it's clear that the market for SP games have constricted to the point that only a few of the very best, big budget SP games can do well.

B-tier single player games, both in terms of budget and critical reception, have essentially disappeared outside of mid budget JRPGs. Hell, Spider-Man is a bit of an outlier since it's metacritic score is a 'mere' 87 rather than the usual 90+ expected from successful SP games
 

Dr. Caroll

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Oct 27, 2017
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Good luck releasing a multiplayer only deus ex game
Truth be told, a Deus Ex branded multiplayer shooter would probably sell better than a proper Deus Ex game. (Project Snowblind started out as a Deus Ex multiplayer game, didn't it. incidentally?) It didn't succeed, but when you look around, the writing is on the wall. Just look at something like Rainbow 6: Siege. Game is HUGE compared to the relatively niche classic Rainbow 6 games. Deus Ex has never been a huge series. Cerebral, slow paced singleplayer games don't have that kind of pull. Multiplayer shooters? Huge market for them. A lot of SP fans historically like to talk about "tacked on" MP that "nobody wants" but popular multiplayer drives sales like nothing else.
Just make one CoD and make it a service.
They've been dabbling with this in the form of Call of Duty: Online for China.
 

Prine

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Oct 25, 2017
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Honestly, given how poor the SP generally is, this isnt a loss imo
 

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RIP single player games...

I know you're kidding... but yeah SP games are very alive and very well. Plenty of room in the market for all kinds of games.

And who knows, maybe adding a campaign would have helped the game sell even more.

Big takeaway lately is that no one rule can be applied as a blanket to the entire market.
 

Pein

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Oct 25, 2017
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I hope BR doesn't completely erase the SP campaign forever, treyarch COD even if you hate it has always been a good value for money.

Deep multiplayer, zombies and single player campaign that's damn good for $60. I really hope they do another story, world at war, black ops 1 and 2 were all great.

It's just I think they need the BLOPS name but the story has run its course. They need to ground it before making it more insane.

I really don't think the other devs can get away by not having it, Black ops and treyarch are the names everybody loves so they got the pass.
 

Heid

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Once MP only becomes the standard for $60, they can start selling the singleplayer separately for extra!
 

KDC720

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Oct 25, 2017
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Hardly surprising at this point. MP has been the main draw for CoD since around MW3 I'd say (although arguably earlier than that), and battle royale was just icing on the cake.

It's the reason why Blops 3 was still one of the most popular entries this gen despite having probably the worst campaign in the series, the MP in that game was really good. Also IW with its genuinely great campaign did poorly by CoD standards because of its lackluster MP.

That being said, I've always been of the opinion that the CoD campaigns are usually good if not great with a few exceptions, and all signs so far seem to point to next years game bringing the campaign back.
 

Tomma18

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May 29, 2018
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Wait so there's no campaign ....or no single player at all? ( ex. R6 Siege had no campaign but has loads of SP stuff).
 

HardRojo

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Oct 25, 2017
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CoD ain't going nowhere, I have already accepted that I'm not part of what most of the audience is looking for.
 

ElBoxy

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Oct 25, 2017
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WWII had a very good campaign overall. The French Resistance mission was a particular highlight. It also fully ditched elements such as regenerating health, which was refreshing. Its predecessor from Sledgehammer, Advanced Warfare, was exceptional. These games are made by people who worked on series like Dead Space. Sledgehammer is basically the parts of Visceral that made Dead Space 1, and left during the development of Dead Space 2. You think they wake up in the morning and say, "Yea, I'd rather work on a Battle Royale mode than the singleplayer expreriences I joined the games industry to make"?
On the contrary Visceral are the ones experimenting on COD MP. They're thinking like a COD developer.
 
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Mona

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Oct 30, 2017
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activation only sold them 1/2 a game,

still a higher percentage than 1/3 of the spyro trilogy
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Not really surprising for Call of Duty. I generally skip a year between Call of Dutys, and the last campaign I finished was the first Black Ops. The other I try for a few minutes, then just jump into the MP.