Inpressive that a spin-off (or more correctly, side-series) of a racing game on a single retail platform is somehow outpacing the year's biggest Ubisoft title that's available on three.
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UK/Physical - Forza Horizon 4 is outselling Assassin's Creed Odyssey
- Thread starter Rodjer
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Once again people show a lack of understanding of the UK market.
More copies of FH4 are being sold via bundles than at retail. Digital is of course an unknown. Retail pricing has already hit the £30 mark as so many bundled codes are hitting the market.
All hardware received a boost in the UK thanks to RDR2's launch. With practically every XB bundle SKU either being an official FH4 bundle or an added value retailer addition. Fewer than 20k total will put a title in the UK top 10.
The UK is a small market. It's no more important than France, Germany etc., and a fraction of the entire European market. The weird importance given over to the UK is one of the reasons there is such a distorted view of the overall software market.
More copies of FH4 are being sold via bundles than at retail. Digital is of course an unknown. Retail pricing has already hit the £30 mark as so many bundled codes are hitting the market.
All hardware received a boost in the UK thanks to RDR2's launch. With practically every XB bundle SKU either being an official FH4 bundle or an added value retailer addition. Fewer than 20k total will put a title in the UK top 10.
The UK is a small market. It's no more important than France, Germany etc., and a fraction of the entire European market. The weird importance given over to the UK is one of the reasons there is such a distorted view of the overall software market.
Why are so many in this thread in such denial about FH4's sales? What's there to accomplish by downplaying it?
Not the first case either. *cough* MHW *cough*. Console wars are wierd.
Grats to the team, stellar game.
Not the first case either. *cough* MHW *cough*. Console wars are wierd.
Grats to the team, stellar game.
I think this thread shows a lot of people don't really follow Xbox news. Because a) xbox sales are up YoY - the brand is recovering and the positivity around it is in full swing and b) FH3 did incredibly well sales wise and FH4 was highly anticipated and improved on FH3 in many ways.
But the sort of disbelief that a 90+ MC rated Xbox game is selling well, is a bit ridiculous given a and b above. Its one of the big releases towards the end of the year and one of the graphically most impressive games around. Of course it will do well. There is no need to knock Odyssey in this. FH4 has just been doing well, regardless of comparison. Xbox is still a vibrant market in the UK and whilst it doesn't sell as well as the PS4 its still quite significant and the brand is strengthening over the past 6 months after a very weak couple of years.
But the sort of disbelief that a 90+ MC rated Xbox game is selling well, is a bit ridiculous given a and b above. Its one of the big releases towards the end of the year and one of the graphically most impressive games around. Of course it will do well. There is no need to knock Odyssey in this. FH4 has just been doing well, regardless of comparison. Xbox is still a vibrant market in the UK and whilst it doesn't sell as well as the PS4 its still quite significant and the brand is strengthening over the past 6 months after a very weak couple of years.
Its so repetitive, same circle in most well performing Xbox threads. Analyst themselves have step in to dismiss the downplaying, and yet it still goes on! The dissonance is quite something.
Edit: now the market itself is being questioned, lol. Fine, question it, but why would you specifically decide to do it in this type of thread?
Bundles are not exclusive to FH4, many of the touted as best selling games exclusives this generation had insane bundle sales.
I do think it's important to put bundle sales into perspective, but not in a way to dismiss the brand appeal.
Forza Horizon 4 is selling well but probably less than AC at it peaks. After like I said Racing games are popular in Europe and I would be curious to see the worldwide number if an Xbox console is more popular in continental europe maybe next generation.
Because MS was suppose to sell off the Xbox division remember? No one buys Xbox games even though they are on Gamepass.
People in this thread act like MS don't R&D potential products and services. This place is turning into a hive mind just like the old stop.
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Yeah how dare people talk about on of the biggest gaming markets in the world. How silly of them.
lmao what does this even mean?
This whole thread is one big "but..."
Grats to the team at PG, this is really impressive.
It's bigger than the french gaming industry, not really sure why you are getting so annoyed at people talking about the UK.
People are surprised because they think AC is a 10+ millions games but it is not the case anymore... The topic is not only about the Forza Horizon performance but it shows too the AC sales decreasing at the same time. Forza Horizon 4 sold well and the franchise is the best selling racing game at least in US and UK. But I think the sales can improve next generation if Xbox sales improve in continental Europe because most of racing sales game are in Europe.
It was (don't know if it still is) the 5th biggest market in the world after China , USA, Japan and Germany.
32.4 million is now tiny....
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Seems this year the UK was classed as the biggest market in Europe, so looks like it may have taken Germany's tag of No.4 in the world.
https://www.pwc.co.uk/press-room/pr...n-over-the-next-four-years-PwC-forecasts.html
Odyssey had the best opening for ac games in a while, if not ever (don't quite remember now)
How the hell the series are "declining"
UK is still the 5th largest videogame market in the world.
No single market is truly representative of global sales, obviously. But you look at that UK top 10 and is it really that much different to the rest of the Western markets?
I updated my comment as I found a report that said it was now the biggest market in Europe, so that would make it the 4th biggest market in the world.
Although that's tiny apparently.
No AC retail sales decrease by 26 % compared to AC Origins for launch in UK
http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2018...les_down_26_percent_from_origins_at_uk_retail
https://www.jeuxvideo-live.com/news...le-les-ventes-lors-sa-premieere-semaine-87448
And AC franchise is not the juggernaut it was before sales after one week but AC Odyssey is the best AC sales this generation. We know it sold more than 1.59 millions worldwidw first week.
https://www.altchar.com/games-news/578577/ac-odyssey-sets-record-first-week-sales-for-the-franchise
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Did AC Odyssey sold more than AC 3? No the serie is not at it peak anymore. Worldwide many PS4 exclusivity sold better first two weeks, maybe Halo 5 too. AC Odyssey is the best AC sales this generation we just don't know the number because Ubi soft hide it, the game sold more than 1,59 millions and less than last generation AC... And it is a decline from it peaks.
"Not being on its peak" and "the series are declining" are two different things
One purposefully framed to belittle the merits of the others
I've seen there are some new rules for posting around here now.
Pretty much all threads about the gamepass goes to "It doesn't make Sony to launch their games on gamepass, look at all those uncharted 4 sales".
I guess "a sale is a sale, no matter how that sale was made and even if the game was played" only matters when trying to downplay a high player count due gamepass.
When counting actual sales then of course bundles should be discounted, unless of course it's a ps4 bundle.
I'll make notes so I can comply with the rules on neewer threads.
Pretty much all threads about the gamepass goes to "It doesn't make Sony to launch their games on gamepass, look at all those uncharted 4 sales".
I guess "a sale is a sale, no matter how that sale was made and even if the game was played" only matters when trying to downplay a high player count due gamepass.
When counting actual sales then of course bundles should be discounted, unless of course it's a ps4 bundle.
I'll make notes so I can comply with the rules on neewer threads.
I just expose a fact. Forza Horizon sales are rising, Forza Horizon 4 will probably sold more than Forza Horizon 3 but compare AC franchise, it is a fact but another one AC peak sales are currently probably out of reach for Forza Horizon franchise. Maybe one day it will not be the case but Xbox consoles need to sold much more in continental Europe.
You are literally coming into a thread and stating FALSE things. Things you have no actual proof of. Why?
Why do you need to make up a reason for FH4 outselling AC?
Last time a looked, even when German market edged UK, the console section of UK is and has always been the biggest in EU. Not sure if other markets are seeing a decline in physical sales similar to the UK, which undoubtably would impact UKs market reporting.
Where do I said false thing is AC Odyssey is the best selling AC of all time? No it is a fact recognized by Ubi Soft themselve. We just know first week sales are the best current generation more than 1,59 millions maybe it is 1,6 millions or 1,61 millions we have no idea Ubi did not give a number. One reason for FH4 to outsold AC Odyssey is the franchise growing the other reason is AC sales declining compared to the peak sales of the franchise. AC is not able to sold more than 3 millions first week, just a fact. It is the reality.
EDIT: And Another fact physical sales of AC Odyssey are in decline of 26% compared to AC Origins in UK. And the topic compare physical sales of FH4 against physical sales of AC Odyssey In UK AC physical sales decline between AC Origins and AC Odyseey. Again a fact!
EDIT: And FH4 is the best racing games and the growth of the franchise is normal and great, Playground gams and Microsoft disserve it. It is by far the best racing game on the market. Another fact they disserve more sales and it will arrive the day Xbox is more popular in continental Europe.
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Another amazing Xbox thread
Downplay, the thread
Downplay, the thread
People need to realize that Assassin's Creed declining doesn't in any way, shape or form detract from the huge success that FH4 is.
I appreciate the info but I'm referring to the pal chart which includes all software from all platforms. Specifically the frequency of XBOX exclusives selling well enough to chart? I'm sure they do pop up here and there but I've never seen it sustained with even an irregular frequency.
Can we call the Motorsport games little side project now? :P
Playground Games is definitely one to watch next gen as they expand to other genres.
Playground Games is definitely one to watch next gen as they expand to other genres.
People need to realize the series were declining but are now on a upswing again
This is not Forza against the lowest point AC ever been
Did I say Forza Horizon don't disserve it success not all, it is by far the best racing game. And I consider it is incredible to grow sales for a racing franchise within current gen context. Forza sales are good but not as good as before. Gran Turismo sales are bad compared to franchise peak. Multiple racing games studio are now dead Evolution studios, Studio Liverpool, Codemasters is ok but lost money last year.
I think for exemple Forza Horizon 3 probably sold more than Gran Turismo Sport and I am curious to know where the ceiling for Forza Horizon sales are and I think the day Xbox console are more popular in continental Europe, we will have the answer.
It's not Forza against the highest either. In fact, aside from the curiosity of the entire thing, Forza Horizon being a blockbuster series is not something that needs a relative position to AC to being justified.
FH4 would be a smashing success even if AC sold more than it did.
How do you know? Where is the the proof? The only official number we have are first week sales and it is not look like AC Origins are on the road to be above 10 millions sales.
No AC Odyssey sold less than Forza Horizon 4 LTD physical sales in UK.