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Graphics Disparity between Open World and Linear games have been nearly eliminated this gen
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There is a gap in quality remaining - compare The Last of us Part II and RDR2.
But I agree with the general concept of this thread - that gap in quality has greatly diminished. A lot of best looking Game Awards will go to an open world game this year.
But I agree with the general concept of this thread - that gap in quality has greatly diminished. A lot of best looking Game Awards will go to an open world game this year.
It's the prettiest looking game with a last gen brown shooter skeleton underneath.
I feel it might be more diminishing returns. I'm sure some of the best linear single player games are still technically miles ahead of your typical open world game, but short of being 60 fps versus an open world's 30 fps it's not as readily obvious as, say, the PS2 gen where something like FFX was breath taking while GTAIII looked like it was more of a half gen step and made up for it with the sheer scope of the world. Hell, even last gen the open world games would frequently look pretty damn good and it was just that some of the showpiece single player games were REALLY amazing.
I think it's more a case of linear games being more "open" and open world games being more grounded and cinematic, therefore we don't have the huge disparity in graphics we did last gen.
Detroit Become Human shits on open world games in damn near every graphical aspect visually. Open world games still look amazing but lets not kid ourselves that linear games still won't obviously hold the visual edge due to not being anywhere near as demanding
As much as this is technically a better achievement than stuff like RDR2, even in motion it just doesn't look as good.
I'm going to walk this statement back. I don't think MGSV and RDR2 are in the same league after revisiting MGSV but I don't think RDR2 ranks among the top of the upper crust of graphics but it is a great looking game.
Yes and no. They have come closer thanks to the larger RAM pool and graphics cards that are much better at rendering open worlds than previous gen cards, but all the games you mentioned have also gone bigger.
Uncharted 4 is a linear game but the levels are massive. And i don't just mean the Madagascar level. GoW has a giant hub world which can basically be called an open world.
Even killzone shadow fall had large open areas compared to previous titles.
The order and Detroit are the only two truly linear titles and they look much better than horizon and rdr.
Uncharted 4 is a linear game but the levels are massive. And i don't just mean the Madagascar level. GoW has a giant hub world which can basically be called an open world.
Even killzone shadow fall had large open areas compared to previous titles.
The order and Detroit are the only two truly linear titles and they look much better than horizon and rdr.
What I find fascinating is the amount of people comparing open world games to other openworld/large sandbox games. Despite being linear in progression many games this gen gone the route of creating very large areas to play in as opposed to smaller and heavier designed area's. People have mentioned the order and detroit as examples but when you look at many of the other exclusives across multiple consoles they mainly went sandbox/open world.
^ beaten to the punch!
Killzone Shadowfall
once that started the gen off, I knew things were going to be different and sure enough almost every title you can think of is absurdly large.
^ beaten to the punch!
Killzone Shadowfall
once that started the gen off, I knew things were going to be different and sure enough almost every title you can think of is absurdly large.
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Uncharted 4/The Lost Legacy, Detroit and God of War still look more beautiful than RDR2 to me. Yes, it has a much larger scale and it is doing so much more under the hood than the other games, but the highly polished beauty I see on screen in UC4/LL, Detroit and GoW exceeds what I see in RDR2 considerably.
I actually also think Horizon Zero Dawn, while smaller and less technically ambitious, looks more beautiful and polished than RDR2.
I actually also think Horizon Zero Dawn, while smaller and less technically ambitious, looks more beautiful and polished than RDR2.
Outside God of War, what was the last actual linear AAA game? It's hard for me to think of any. Quantum Break? We haven't seen that much of Ryse/The Order-type of games. Those two were visually stunning, and still are. You can only compare AAA developers here, I feel. But it seems that each and every game now has to be open world, so it might be hard to find linear games from big developers you could reasonably compare to RDR2 and AC: Odyssey. When I see a game like Detroid mentiond -- can you compare their financial capabilities with Rockstar? Okay, nobody can, but still... God of War does look excellent, other games could pull it off, too.
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As good as RDR2 looks in some areas, personally I think the character models are nowhere close to the linear games and the facial animations when characters are speaking seem very stiff. Foliage is also mediocre imho.
The best part graphics wise is probably animal animation/detail although I've seen quite a few bugs here as well (people sinking into the horse, flickering textures etc). It's also not quite as detailed and fluid as the robots in H:ZD. Again all of this is subjective so if someone put more weight in other areas they might think differently.
Having said that I greatly enjoy RDR2 and I'm playing it almost daily at the moment :)
The best part graphics wise is probably animal animation/detail although I've seen quite a few bugs here as well (people sinking into the horse, flickering textures etc). It's also not quite as detailed and fluid as the robots in H:ZD. Again all of this is subjective so if someone put more weight in other areas they might think differently.
Having said that I greatly enjoy RDR2 and I'm playing it almost daily at the moment :)
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It's okay fam, the best looking game of the generation is on Xbox. No need to lose any sleep.
The thread desperately needs more mentioning of Horizon Zero Dawn.
Anyway, I'd say there's still a difference but it's getting less and less obvious.
Anyway, I'd say there's still a difference but it's getting less and less obvious.
Of course that I know what Inverse Kinematic do and I even explained it. Animation blending and inverse kinematics allow Aloy's feet and body to shift naturally based on the slope of the terrain. Look at how her feet intersect with the terrain
Or specific rotations like turning around on horseback like this : https://kotaku.com/im-just-saying-look-at-how-horizons-protagonist-turns-1792588479
It's probably you who doesn't know the exact use of such methods.
I didn't see movemenst as complex as those in RDR2 and like I explained above many reactions are non human like.
Fam, God of War cuts seamlessly between cutscene and gameplay. The cutscene aren't pre rendered or touched up.
RDR2 has a big fucking open-world, sure, but its missions are about as linear as they get. R* has a "vision" for how each mission is going to go down, and dammit, you're doing it their way or no way at all. Complexity my ass.
He's 100% right though. Arthur's model and his different outfits can be apart fromt the head pretty low polygon and low res textured. When in the bathtub his body model shows visible low polygon angles. There's really no competition to Kratos...
...or Geralt, Aloy, Noctis or Spider-Man for that matter, just to name other highly polished character models of larger open world games.
GOW still looks better than any open world game out there
But Yeah Open world games do look better than they used to before, that's mainly because of the new more powerful consoles and increased budgets, still linear games will remain graphics king because of their more simple and focused nature
But Yeah Open world games do look better than they used to before, that's mainly because of the new more powerful consoles and increased budgets, still linear games will remain graphics king because of their more simple and focused nature
Another level?
This post is complete madness.
RDR2 is in every aspect that matters a technical and aesthetic achievement in gaming. Everywhere you look just looks incredible, no matter where you point the camera at in the environment, this is an open world game where just every part of it looks hand crafted for maximum beauty.
And GTAV looked completely ridiculous for being a PS360 game.
Wtf am I reading lmao. Can't think of a single AAA open world released this gen where what you posted isn't a standard part of the animation. Your post reminds me of people posting this gif:
Also a standard thing
RDR2 has far more animations than Horizon, Arthur included.
Last of us 2 is a bad example as it is not out yet. So who knows what exactly that was.
Incredible shots. This one in particular is breathtaking
And GTAV looked completely ridiculous for being a PS360 game.
Nah, there's one larger, open hub, the Lake of Nine, everything else is pretty guided and corridory actually. I hope GoW2 is a true open world. :) (I know I am so alone with this wish, lol.)
From this thread, I don't know if Horizon is open world or not. So many posts claiming both hahha.
Honestly OP is right. I'm just not seeing a big discrepancy btw open world and other games. The gap has shrunk. If you want to argue that other games are better, sure, fine, but they aren't that far apart.
Honestly OP is right. I'm just not seeing a big discrepancy btw open world and other games. The gap has shrunk. If you want to argue that other games are better, sure, fine, but they aren't that far apart.
Hub world/open settings as a whole, open world in the lake of the nine.
He's 100% right though. Arthur's model and his different outfits can be apart fromt the head pretty low polygon and low res textured. When in the bathtub his body model shows visible low polygon angles. There's really no competition to Kratos...
...or Geralt, Aloy, Noctis or Spider-Man for that matter, just to name other highly polished character models of larger open world games.
Tyaren What are the sources of of those muscle flexing gifs in GOW? I thought I saw every material of this game. It seems I missed this. :p
SMS has been using muscle felxing since GOW3 but this is just beyond anything else.
Went straight to RDR2 after finishing GoW. You're completely wrong.
It's honestly unbelievable to see people downplay how RDR2 looks. It must be rooted in something entirely illogical.
This game has, by far, the best use of lighting I have ever seen in a video game. It's so varied and dynamic. R* even accounts for the increase in pollution in a big city like Saint Denis.
The Artstation page of Raf Grassetti (3D artist of Kratos and most other main characters):
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/ygeNO
There's lots of other great stuff, enjoy! :)
GTAV still looks amazing on my PC in 4k no doubt about it. RDR2 looks fantastic, but it still stands the character models are better in other games. That was the only argument I was responding to.Another level?
This post is complete madness.
RDR2 is in every aspect that matters a technical and aesthetic achievement in gaming. Everywhere you look just looks incredible, no matter where you point the camera at in the environment, this is an open world game where just every part of it looks hand crafted for maximum beauty.
And GTAV looked completely ridiculous for being a PS360 game.
It's honestly unbelievable to see people downplay how RDR2 looks. It must be rooted in something entirely illogical.
This game has, by far, the best use of lighting I have ever seen in a video game. It's so varied and dynamic. R* even accounts for the increase in pollution in a big city like Saint Denis.
Again, most people here were talking about character models. I am not sure what this defense force is even for. RDR2 does in fact look incredible. No doubt about it.
The Artstation page of Raf Grassetti (3D artist of Kratos and most other main characters):
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/ygeNO
There's lots of other great stuff, enjoy! :)
Ah ok. I know him and his page but I didn't check it for quite some time thinking they wouldn't post more stuff. I thought it was from a kind of making of video though. Thanks.
I mean if we compare end of gen open world game (RDR2) and more linear game (TLoU2), I think the difference is as pronounced as say RDR and TLoU last gen...
Of course that I know what Inverse Kinematic do and I even explained it. Animation blending and inverse kinematics allow Aloy's feet and body to shift naturally based on the slope of the terrain. Look at how her feet intersect with the terrain
Or specific rotations like turning around on horseback like this : https://kotaku.com/im-just-saying-look-at-how-horizons-protagonist-turns-1792588479
It's probably you who doesn't know the exact use of such methods.
I didn't see movemenst as complex as those in RDR2 and like I explained above many reactions are non human like.
better animation than RDR2, confirmed!
IK it's not a tool like Euphoria, it's a method of rigging. pretty much every game uses it in some way. however not every game has physics applied to the legs
