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ginger ninja

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,060
So what would you like him to do? And is this not a good start?

I mean fuck, damn. The internet is full of the most unforgiving people.

If these tweets were just the start, and action came later - I bet y'all would still be up in arms.

Im of the firm belief that forgiveness, under the right circumstances, is healthy.

Lmao what kind of horseshit is this. The guy literally stanned for a racist president on national television from the fucking white house, criticised black people who are voting for their own future and called slavery a choice. None of it comes close to the hurt he caused the community that made him what he is. A fuckin tweet doesn't even cut it and I highly doubt it's sincere in anyway.

The king can suck deez nuts.
 

Alucrid

Chicken Photographer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,438
So what would you like him to do? And is this not a good start?

I mean fuck, damn. The internet is full of the most unforgiving people.

If these tweets were just the start, and action came later - I bet y'all would still be up in arms.

Im of the firm belief that forgiveness, under the right circumstances, is healthy.

it would probably be better if instead of washing his hands of politics he did something (many things) to help fight against the regressive politics that he had helped promote for the past few years
 
Jul 18, 2018
5,865
You know what's funny. You can literally replace Kanye West with that YouTuber FouseyTube....and you can see how similar both fans of the celebs are. They done damage and apologized and people take them back with open arms.
 

Stinkles

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
20,459
coming to terms with what happened should be accepted as an apology.
whatever, first page just reads as unforgiving and bitter online overreaction. all i have to say

This is like his eighth time tho. He's not sorry -- his lame Twitter popularity metrics are bad. He and his entire family are driven and employed by useless controversy. The only reason people even care is that unlike everyone else in the family Kanye used to be talented and empathetic. So just him and Kaitlyn in fact and both of them keep blowing whatever benefit of the doubt people keep giving them.

The fact that he's friends with Candace is the biggest tell in the whole sorry clownbus.

They continually act in the furtherance of constituencies they claim to support. Arsonist firefighters.
 
Oct 25, 2017
10,767
Toronto, ON
*Your boss humiliates you in front of your peers and other companies, trashes your reputation, and makes you look like an absolute idiot in front of the worst people imaginable*

BOSS: Well, I don't know, I was misled while I was doing those things, so yeah, I'm just gonna hang back from now on.

YOU: Wait, this is fucked up...go to hell!

FELLOW EMPLOYEE WITH NO SKIN IN THE GAME: What's wrong, he's acknowledging and coming to terms with how he messed with you, he's not gonna say I'm sorry or make amends or make anything right, but you should accept it as an apology.

YOU: No, that's not fai--

FELLOW EMPLOYEE WITH NO SKIN IN THE GAME: Damn, some ice cold dudes out here, man...I stand for forgiveness, though, so that's me, but I guess you're just a hater and negative, smh
 

tulpa

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
3,878
should people not be allowed to change their minds? i think it's interesting that ex-Democrats who want to embrace Trump's cryptofascist movement always seemed to be welcomed with open arms by that camp yet it seems people who have (foolishly and wrongly) associated themselves with Trumpist politics but are changing their minds and seeing that they might have been wrong are condemned forever and we must say "fuck you, i hate you, go away forever."
The records aren't selling is why this is even a thing.
his last record sold more than the previous one and was a #1 record and he's had his highest charting singles for many years in the last few months, so I don't think you can put it down to that
 
Oct 31, 2017
6,747
like, what kind of fool do you have to be to believe these tweets are genuine and atone for Kanye's multiple public appearances spouting the harmful rhetoric and messages he's claiming to suddenly not believe in?
 
Nov 1, 2017
8,061
Kanye's a piece of shit and deserves the scorn for how he's acted and behaved. Suddenly believing he's turned over a new leaf is laughable at best.
 

Deleted member 25108

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 29, 2017
2,877
So what would you like him to do? And is this not a good start?

I mean fuck, damn. The internet is full of the most unforgiving people.

If these tweets were just the start, and action came later - I bet y'all would still be up in arms.

Im of the firm belief that forgiveness, under the right circumstances, is healthy.

No. This isnt something that is even worthy of forgiveness. Four tweets do not erase over a year of the most hurtful bullshit a black man of his wealth and status could be doing in the public eye.

This isnt about whether or not Kayne is republican. I couldn't give a fuck.

This isnt about supporting Donald trump, even as a minority. Again, unlike most people here, I dont care.

This is about a Man, who knows his position in the community, who knows his reach, his platform and his status, knowingly and willful spewing some of the most hateful rhetoric not because its something he believes in, but because it gets him more attention.

Kanye West knows better. He has always known better. But he cares more about his brand and promoting that brand than his people and how his words could really have lasting damage among them.

Fuck him. Fuck his shoes, fuck his clothes, fuck his music, fuck his artists. Fuck that man and anyone who wants to stand by him. They are ALL cancelled to me.

Ive said it before and ill say it again. I have more issues with Kanye west than I do the republicans and trump. Racists who have always been racists are at leasts consistent, no matter how much more power they hold or damage they cause. They always were like this, they didnt just heel turn because it was popular. Kanye knows the issues the Black community face but being seen as some special being was far more important to him. That doesnt get forgiven because he finally got a bit too much blowback.
 

Royalan

I can say DEI; you can't.
Moderator
Oct 24, 2017
11,966
should people not be allowed to change their minds? i think it's interesting that ex-Democrats who want to embrace Trump's cryptofascist movement always seemed to be welcomed with open arms by that camp yet it seems people who have (foolishly and wrongly) associated themselves with Trumpist politics but are changing their minds and seeing that they might have been wrong are condemned forever and we must say "fuck you, i hate you, go away forever."

I haven't lived a day abiding by the questionable standards of the Republican party, and I'm not going to start today.

To hell with what they do.
 

tulpa

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
3,878
I haven't lived a day abiding by the questionable standards of the Republican party, and I'm not going to start today.

To hell with what they do.
It's not the standards of the Republican Party. It's the standards of all political discourse. It's hard for me to understand how you can actually argue the position that people who change their mind should never be tolerated and that they must be forever condemned by the bad politics they used to hold. But hey, if you want to keep losing, then that's fine. Feel free to make the argument that people are always allowed to swing to the Republicans but never allowed to swing back.
 

Powdered Egg

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
17,070
I dunno how you can see his recent antics and just forgive him willy nilly. He played himself and did a lot of damage with his nonsense.
 

PhoenixDark

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
2,089
White House
This is junk data from a daily tracking poll that turned out to be statistical noise never replicated again. It was bullshit the first time it was posted here, and its still bullshit months later.

There is no evidence Kanye had any impact and frankly I despise the insinuation that black men are so stupid that one celebrity can alter their views within a matter of weeks. Come on.
 
Oct 25, 2017
10,767
Toronto, ON
It's not the standards of the Republican Party. It's the standards of all political discourse. It's hard for me to understand how you can actually argue the position that people who change their mind should never be tolerated and that they must be forever condemned by the bad politics they used to hold. But hey, if you want to keep losing, then that's fine. Feel free to make the argument that people are always allowed to swing to the Republicans but never allowed to swing back.

"Hey, I'm attracted to this Trump campaign for some reason, he tells it like it is, man, and he's a businessman after all, could bring back a strong econom-- oh holy fucking shit, I'm good, let me turn the hell back"

is different from

"I actively participated in alt-right PR even though everyone kept begging me not to, I gladhanded with horrible people who were horrible in ways that were public and in the news every single day, but I ignored it all, I was willing to overlook vicious racism, homophobia, and cruelty because my needs were being served, this went on for years...wait, damn, this isn't going my way, I'm gonna back out."
 

MistaTwo

SNK Gaming Division Studio 1
Verified
Oct 24, 2017
2,456
I don't care if he is actually repentant tbh.
He showed that he is a complete buffoon without any sort of critical thinking skills of his own.

You allow yourself to get conned by fucking Candace Owens you ain't worth my time.
Don't care what kinda dope beats he drops in the future.
 

Royalan

I can say DEI; you can't.
Moderator
Oct 24, 2017
11,966
It's not the standards of the Republican Party. It's the standards of all political discourse. It's hard for me to understand how you can actually argue the position that people who change their mind should never be tolerated and that they must be forever condemned by the bad politics they used to hold. But hey, if you want to keep losing, then that's fine. Feel free to make the argument that people are always allowed to swing to the Republicans but never allowed to swing back.
I'm sorry, but the argument you're making isn't at all relevant to Kanye West.

Should people strive to be forgiving of those who have made bad decisions, but then recognized those bad decisions for what they were and followed through with genuine efforts to change? Of course.

Show me which part of the above describes Kanye West. He didn't even apologize. He backpaddled. Which, again, is something he's done before. It's strange how the people who are criticizing Kanye seem to know more about his history than the so-called fans. This bait and switch has defined Kanye for arguably the last 10 years. He doesn't get the benefit of the doubt here. He hasn't earned it. His words are meaningless until they are followed by some impactful action for once. And until that happens, people aren't being unjustly callous for not jumping to forgiveness. They're being good students of history.
 

Lotus

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
105,930
I like how they're a ghost in threads where he fucked up, but can magically appear in others and try to tut tut us. "Why are you so unforgiving? Daaaamn." FOH

Lmao right

Dumbass saying shit like "Slavery's a choice", among many other things, then stans out here wondering why people won't let it go just because he tweeted a few times. What a joke lol
 

EdibleKnife

Member
Oct 29, 2017
7,723
This is junk data from a daily tracking poll that turned out to be statistical noise never replicated again. It was bullshit the first time it was posted here, and its still bullshit months later.

There is no evidence Kanye had any impact and frankly I despise the insinuation that black men are so stupid that one celebrity can alter their views within a matter of weeks. Come on.

It's the reality of being a celebrity to have some influence. We literally just saw it happen with Taylor Swift. I doubt droves of black people followed Kanye in lock step as well but the amount of people he did influence is not zero and the stakes are way to high in the current climate to let him off easy.
 

Icolin

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
13,235
Midgar
Lmao right

Dumbass saying shit like "Slavery's a choice", among many other things, then stans out here wondering why people won't let it go just because he tweeted a few times. What a joke lol

i love the man's music and he was maybe my biggest inspiration in my childhood and adolescence, but miss me with caping for his ignorance and all the damaging stuff he's done as of late. there's no forgiving to be had this soon, it's gonna take a long ass time for him to earn that back
 

shenden

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,306
Kanye, would you kindly just fuck off. For someone who apparently plays 4d chess, it sure took time to see the light.
 

Yerffej

Prophet of Regret
Member
Oct 25, 2017
23,572
i love the man's music and he was maybe my biggest inspiration in my childhood and adolescence, but miss me with caping for his ignorance and all the damaging stuff he's done as of late. there's no forgiving to be had this soon, it's gonna take a long ass time for him to earn that back
We're living in some truly scary times with who's in charge and the damage they are causing. Kanye would have to wipe my fucking mind to make me forgive him for cozying up to fascists. It probably doesn't help that I never liked him. Always seemed like a cocky piece of shit. Amazingly talented tho.
 

AnansiThePersona

Started a revolution but the mic was unplugged
Member
Oct 27, 2017
15,682
But they bullied him for putting that hat on??? He's tired of tripling down on his bullshit? That Trump meeting was probably the hardest I've seen a person double down before
 

Royalan

I can say DEI; you can't.
Moderator
Oct 24, 2017
11,966
There are dudes in his industry with longer receipts. They're just more humble about it.

Another thing Kanye has in common with Trump.
 

Lotus

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
105,930
i love the man's music and he was maybe my biggest inspiration in my childhood and adolescence, but miss me with caping for his ignorance and all the damaging stuff he's done as of late. there's no forgiving to be had this soon, it's gonna take a long ass time for him to earn that back

I have no idea what he could realistically do to to sway me. But I don't really care, was never really a fan like that, so he could go away for all I care
 

Tux_

Banned
Nov 5, 2017
1,345
User Warned: Inappropriate Language
I'll never understand Kanye stans

I mean, if you think this about stanning then think what you want. Not a stan of anyone but myself.
This is about internet hive mind mentality. And how people are just one big group of the same people, saying and thinking the same shit.

"Fuck you", "fuck off", "we will never forgive you, fuck off". Like, chill. You sound hurt. And hurt people hurt people.
Why are you so triggered over a bipolar celebrity saying crazy shit?

Kanye has said some dumb ignorant shit recently. He's a confused idiot. Ok. But I just cant wrap my head around people who respond to stupidity with hate. And cant even begin to wrap their head around the slightest thought of forgiveness. it'll make your day better.

And I'll keep it real, "forgiveness" is the wrong word. You don't have to forgive him - but some folks in here sound so very angry and hurt. Kanye Wests political beliefs or ignorant statements should not effect you as much as they do. Seek help. Crazy guy says crazy things. Ok. Cool. Either ignore him, call him out for it, or educate him. But to be all "I wIlL nEvEr FoGiVe YoU!" is sad, and unproductive. my two cents.
 

pokeystaples

Member
Oct 27, 2017
5,354
should people not be allowed to change their minds? i think it's interesting that ex-Democrats who want to embrace Trump's cryptofascist movement always seemed to be welcomed with open arms by that camp yet it seems people who have (foolishly and wrongly) associated themselves with Trumpist politics but are changing their minds and seeing that they might have been wrong are condemned forever and we must say "fuck you, i hate you, go away forever."

Think of it like stepping in something wet in socks. On the one hand you can step on a little pooled water from your morning shower. Yes it's uncomfortable, but it'll dry and be fine. On the other hand your dog is sick without you noticing and you accidentally step on a pile of sick. You gotta take that sock off, wash the foot, re-lotion the foot, run the socks through the washer and dryer. He's just at the taking the sock off stage.
 

Deleted member 42055

User requested account closure
Banned
Apr 12, 2018
11,215
From TMZ

"4:15 PM PT -- Kanye contacted us to make it clear he did not mention Donald Trump in his tweets, and he's getting out of politics altogether.

As for being "used" ... he says he was specifically referencing Blexit, and that's it."

Soooo where is the apology for all the horrible crap he spouted ? Where is his condemnation of Trump and all the vile things he stands for ? Hmmmm. Fucking incredible that some ( thankfully not many) were chastising many in here for not buying his bullshit. Kanye only cares about Kanye , everything he does is done for his image and bottom line
 

tulpa

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
3,878
I'm sorry, but the argument you're making isn't at all relevant to Kanye West.
Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. It's hard to really tell at this point, but if he expressed genuine contrition at some point and understanding as to why what he did was wrong in the future, I think it should be taken with a grain of salt, but not completely discounted.

My point wasn't really about Kanye, but the broader discourse in this thread and similar arguments I have seen elsewhere on the board, which is that if someone goes beyond the pale (support of Trump and his politics) we should just say "fuck you forever, there's no coming back from this" and view them as irredeemable rather than trying to make the argument and actually accept when people are willing to acknowledge they've done wrong. Not saying I know that Kanye really regrets what he's done, but as a rule it's not a very good one.
Should people strive to be forgiving of those who have made bad decisions, but then recognized those bad decisions for what they were and followed through with genuine efforts to change? Of course.
Fair enough, I think we agree.
Show me which part of the above describes Kanye West. He didn't even apologize. He backpaddled. Which, again, is something he's done before. It's strange how the people who are criticizing Kanye seem to know more about his history than the so-called fans. This bait and switch has defined Kanye for arguably the last 10 years. He doesn't get the benefit of the doubt here. He hasn't earned it. His words are meaningless until they are followed by some impactful action for once. And until that happens, people aren't being unjustly callous for not jumping to forgiveness. They're being good students of history.
And I'm not saying people should jump to forgiveness. And my argument isn't localized or really responding to Kanye himself as much as it was responding to the argument made in this thread (and others) that once someone has gone beyond that pale, there's no coming back. There was a thread recently about Trump supporters where many wondered if people who voted for the Democrats in the past yet voted for Trump in 2016 could ever change back, and the same argument was advanced there that I've seen in this thread. Too far gone, they'll never come back, it's beyond hope. But if you accept that people can only swing in the direction of your opponents and can never swing in the other direction, you're not going to have a very effective political program. Again it's not really a response to Kanye but it is a response to that point
 

ToTheMoon

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,336
I think part of the reason that people are having trouble forgiving him is that he didn't actually come out against Trump. Saying "I'm distancing myself from politics" is a selfish, irresponsible action.
 

Icolin

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
13,235
Midgar
We're living in some truly scary times with who's in charge and the damage they are causing. Kanye would have to wipe my fucking mind to make me forgive him for cozying up to fascists. It probably doesn't help that I never liked him. Always seemed like a cocky piece of shit. Amazingly talented tho.

honestly, i think his cockiness is what i liked about him. it inspired me to have more confidence in myself and just have some self-love instead of deprecating myself constantly.

I have no idea what he could realistically do to to sway me. But I don't really care, was never really a fan like that, so he could go away for all I care

and that's fair and justifiable. remains to be seen whether he's actually going to repent for the stupid shit he's done. the "i've been used to spread messages i don't believe in" part, along with his preceding tweets about his stances on gun control, prison reform, and asylum seekers, is pretty interesting and feels like more than just him being mad at the merch thing. but the benefit of the doubt ship has sailed so i'm not holding my breath

I think part of the reason that people are having trouble forgiving him is that he didn't actually come out against Trump. Saying "I'm distancing myself from politics" is a selfish, irresponsible action.

this too. hell of a copout action on his part
 
Oct 26, 2017
8,734
Translation: "The stupidity that came out of my mouth is costing me money."

Of course he talks about opening his eyes to this incident now, when he's been blabbing about how he's so "woke", and wants people to "break free from their mental shackles" or whatever the fuck bullshit he said. He's a hypocrite. He's never once been the type to come in with a nuanced point of view. He always chimes in and talks the bullshit that he can't back up, because he wants people to keep talking about him and his crazy thinking.

Once a clown, always a clown.
 

tulpa

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
3,878
Think of it like stepping in something wet in socks. On the one hand you can step on a little pooled water from your morning shower. Yes it's uncomfortable, but it'll dry and be fine. On the other hand your dog is sick without you noticing and you accidentally step on a pile of sick. You gotta take that sock off, wash the foot, re-lotion the foot, run the socks through the washer and dryer. He's just at the taking the sock off stage.
And I agree. I'm not saying people should forgive Kanye or that what he's done is anything other than incredibly wrong and providing succor to a cryptofascist movement.
 

Royalan

I can say DEI; you can't.
Moderator
Oct 24, 2017
11,966
I mean, if you think this about stanning then think what you want. Not a stan of anyone but myself.
This is about internet hive mind mentality. And how people are just one big group of the same people, saying and thinking the same shit.

"Fuck you", "fuck off", "we will never forgive you, fuck off". Like, chill. You sound hurt. And hurt people hurt people.
Why are you so triggered over a bipolar celebrity saying crazy shit?

Kanye has said some dumb ignorant shit recently. He's a confused idiot. Ok. But I just cant wrap my head around people who respond to stupidity with hate. And cant even begin to wrap their head around the slightest thought of forgiveness. it'll make your day better.

And I'll keep it real, "forgiveness" is the wrong word. You don't have to forgive him - but some folks in here sound so very angry and hurt. Kanye Wests political beliefs or ignorant statements should not effect you as much as they do. Seek help. Crazy guy says crazy things. Ok. Cool. Either ignore him, call him out for it, or educate him. But to be all "I wIlL nEvEr FoGiVe YoU!" is sad, and unproductive. my two cents.

This...is a no.

First off, I reserve the right of personal judgement of anyone's actions. Others have that right too. You're doing it right now.

Second, as someone who actually gives a shit about the community that bore me, I have no choice but to acknowledge that Kanye West isn't just "some crazy guy." He's a celebrity who's seen as having a voice in the Black community. Kanye markets himself that way. The Trump administration sees him as that, which is why Trump actively courts him. As a Black person, I reserve the right to criticize anybody with a platform as big as Kanye's who uses it to advocate people who actively seek to hurt people like me. It would be irresponsible not to.

Third, a lot of people are thinking the same shit because Kanye has said and done shit that a whole lot of people find reprehensible. That's not a hivemind.