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DF HDR Analysis : RDR2 has Fake HDR (update: new HDR fix update 14th May)
- Thread starter Mr Delabee
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You missed an important part in the next paragraph...
Which serves as a counterpoint to the "Muh HDR, it's teh brokes...use SDR for colors!" crowd.
How do you like HDR in games that support it well on that set? I've been thinking of getting a NU8000 or Q6F which are pretty much the same.
It also serves as a counterpoint to your own posts on "The HDR looks great" so are you trying to gotcha yourself here too?
Some TVs don't seem to handle it as well as others, giving people a washed out image instead.
Yup, I took pics last night after seeing the "HDR is washed out" thread. On a professionally calibrated LG OLED HDR and SDR are virtually indistinguishable. I just turned it off.
You might get burn-in if you left RDR2 running for a week straight without moving. Don't do that and you won't get burn-in.
HDR does look great. Just as great as SDR! If there's any washing out it's due to your personal TV settings.
You might get burn-in if you left RDR2 running for a week straight without moving. Don't do that and you won't get burn-in.
HDR does look great. Just as great as SDR! If there's any washing out it's due to your personal TV settings.
4k TV and non PS4 pro owner here... I agree that the HDR seems a bit off in particular when compared to games like HZD. With that being said, I've left it on because turning it off seems to create an effect where it looks very "gamey", exaggerated colours, etc.
The desaturated look that HDR provides in this game kind of reminds me of that pseudo film grain effect in the older Mass Effect games. I guess it comes down to whatever aesthetic the individual enjoys along with what looks best on their setup.
The desaturated look that HDR provides in this game kind of reminds me of that pseudo film grain effect in the older Mass Effect games. I guess it comes down to whatever aesthetic the individual enjoys along with what looks best on their setup.
It absolutely looks worse on my TV. All colors are severely washed out. It looks as though the saturation is turned way way down on everything.
I turned it off on PS4 pro as well and was surprised at how much better everything looked. I also can't tell if I like the game more at 1080p or with their checkerboard implementation....am I crazy?
The burn in will be from the icons which are on screen most the time in exactly the same position. As pointed out in the write up (if I understood it correctly) because they are white they are being displayed much brighter than they should be because of the 'fake HDR' implementation therefore increasing the risk of burn in
Try lowering your brightness to 47, it really improves things a lot.
Makes it better than SDR in my personal opinion.
That's not completely true. It can also be down to where you have the HDR slider in the game. It ranges from dim to SDR to washing out for me as I go along the scale.
If it makes you feel better, sure. Although going into it with no prior reference (HDR doesn't have an in game toggle on XBOX) one could still observe an output higher than SDR depending on slider setting. Since I had mine set to 150 vs 100 I would still notice in increase in luminance for certain things compared to a properly calibrated SDR image (this goes out the window for a lot of folks that are used to overbright/oversaturated SDR).
What is funny? It's still upscaled SDR, which should look better than regular SDR. I'm playing on Pro and 65 inch LG OLED and HDR on looks better on my TV than off.
HDR when done right is awesome! All you need to do is look at Horizon: Zero Dawn for a glowing example. HDR in this game and Monster Hunter World (as another example), are complete half assed trash. Just wish it would be consistently taken seriously by devs in their games. If you're not going to do it right, just leave it out.
Sure. If you've got your in-game HDR slider set appropriately (slightly below 300 for me) on a calibrated display, HDR and SDR will be indistinguishable.
The source can be whatever. At the end has been tailored the end output is up to 500 nits which the tv should account for which goes beyond 100 nit sdr scale. It has to be showing some content above the 100 nit scale though because all you would be getting would be 100nit sdr, which his lumens test show they are not. It peaks at 500. How does it show colors/brightness out of the sdr scale and still be out if it is sdr 100 nits still? Using terms like '''fake hdr' is also misleading as HDR is fake, as HDR is a postprocess.
You can turn some or every single HUD element off btw, and you can make them come up when you need them by pressing down on the dpad. Its actually great, gives the game a much more immersive feel, while never feeling like you're at a disadvantage.
The way I have mine set up is everything off except the mission prompts and the aiming dot.
Fortunately, HDR isn't like 3D (which was simply removed from TVs) and is just going to get better over time. Every year we have seen HUGE improvements in TV sets and software implementation of HDR. It's quite amazing. It's still going to take awhile.
Great now I am going to turn both my versions off and Nit pick even more. If the difference between the X and my PS4 is not as noticeable with it off I will continue to play it more on my ps4
Wow. At one point people were posting comparisons where it almost seemed like HDR off was actually HDR on, and vice-versa - as if the toggle switch was just flipped. But it's the container implementation after all. I'll be looking out for updates!
To those who are using OLED, turn it off, you'll lose that inky blacks if you turn it on. You'll also have a washed out contrast
It's a shame that a game with caliber, scope, and polish botched this one. It's still a gorgeous game but my god if they got the HDR right? It will be eye melting, hopefully they can fix it with a patch.
It's a shame that a game with caliber, scope, and polish botched this one. It's still a gorgeous game but my god if they got the HDR right? It will be eye melting, hopefully they can fix it with a patch.
The 4k looks amazing. Like, proper great. It's the HDR which isn't a good implementation.
Looks better than off on my TV, so yeah, LOL.
Because no other game has HDR?
Decided to finally leave HDR off on my ps4 pro after going back and forth it it for a few days.
Weren't most people just saying they didn't think HDR-mode (fake or not) looked 'washed out'?
Preferring the HDR setting 'On' or even saying 'Looks better to me' isn't wrong. Fake or not - it's literally a preference.
Seriously. Those 2 games are the top examples of gaming HDR. We have that wonderful Resetera thread going into detail about how great the work is.
Night time driving in FH4 with HDR is unbelievable.
It's funny that, among Sony's first party devs, the often criticized Ubisoft is one of the best companies out there that utilize proper HDR. AC and Far Cry are really shining in HDR.
Congrats EvilBoris, the article was excellent. Hope we see more content from you soon.
Shame that the HDR implementation turned out the way it did.
The weird thing about HDR is that some people expect bright scenes to get brighter and colors to pop when that's not exactly the purpose of HDR. Some of the best implementations are a bit subdued or grounded, but are still excellent examples of the technology. I bet the average person would agree that games like SoT, GTS, and FH4 look better with HDR on. They don't have to understand the technology to know it helps produce a more pleasing image.
Shame that the HDR implementation turned out the way it did.
The weird thing about HDR is that some people expect bright scenes to get brighter and colors to pop when that's not exactly the purpose of HDR. Some of the best implementations are a bit subdued or grounded, but are still excellent examples of the technology. I bet the average person would agree that games like SoT, GTS, and FH4 look better with HDR on. They don't have to understand the technology to know it helps produce a more pleasing image.
sdr can be above 100 nits. look at any tv review on rtings. the x900e can hit 900 nits in sdr.
Of course it can. But the TV should be calibrated so it doesnt happen.
This is why you encounter situations where people are arguing about how bright/vivid/colorful things look in SDR. TV's can be adjusted way higher than what SDR calls for which to many can look subjectively better but less accurate.
The thing with HDR is that it can make content look absolutely jaw-droppingly amazing, like the BBC "Blue Planet/Planet Earth II" documentaries, or it can just slightly enhance the image like in Marvel's Spider-Man on PS4. It also largely depends on what you are actually watching, not everything will look fantastic in HDR.
When I watched the trailers for RDR2, I was sure that the HDR in this game is going to be amazing due to the light shafts, fog and specular highlights in the mud you could see in the nighttime moonlit scenes. The way it was actually implemented in the end is mind-boggling.
When I watched the trailers for RDR2, I was sure that the HDR in this game is going to be amazing due to the light shafts, fog and specular highlights in the mud you could see in the nighttime moonlit scenes. The way it was actually implemented in the end is mind-boggling.
So the PC version that will come out in 3-4 years will have Native HDR, 8K resolution and VR comptaibilities. lovely!
Haven't played the game yet, but i will say that it is strange for a game that was so marketed on details and how it was handcrafted to near perfection decided to take a shortcut like this... i mean, it's not like Rockstar lacks the resources or talent to make it work properly... weird call.
Haven't played the game yet, but i will say that it is strange for a game that was so marketed on details and how it was handcrafted to near perfection decided to take a shortcut like this... i mean, it's not like Rockstar lacks the resources or talent to make it work properly... weird call.
