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Super Smash Bros. Ultimate DT10 | News, Site Updates, and Speculation | A Change Of The Heart
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Let's be real: most of people knows that Rex/Pyra are the most boring (and ugly) characters from the main party of Xc2, but they are not that bad as characters.
I'd take them over any SE newcomer that are not Crono or Terra, they are Nintendo characters from a really good game and have a good moveset potential.
I'd take them over any SE newcomer that are not Crono or Terra, they are Nintendo characters from a really good game and have a good moveset potential.
So...has the scales turned in favour of Team Real or Team Fake? I have been asleep so i haven't had time to read everything
a leak that cannot be debunked is thought to be fake by insiders.
I don't know where this stands
Toon Link gets a Tetra echo with alts that are all the pirates.
Villager gets an Animal Villager echo, alts are a few favourite villagers (Tomato, Cube, Jay etc.)
Chibi's in!
Pokemon Let's Go gets represented by Golem (Golem Rock's Up), a real out there choice by Sakurai.
Goomba On A Bike get's in, representing Mario Party.
Final massive crowd pleasing reveal! Leon from Resi 4 BUT he has Ashley. If she get's knocked out you get knocked out.
It's more like Team Fake deployed all their might to swing the scales their way, but they didn't turn conclusively yet.
Was watching a Keef video wherein an argument against was that every Smash since Melee has only had one retro character and Simon was the retro character for this one. This isn't a post about the validity of the leak, this is a post about that misconception I often hear.
Smash 4 was the first one with only one retro character in Duck Hunt (and you could make the argument that Pac-Man counts bringing it up to 2). Melee and Brawl both had two.
Ice Climbers and Game & Watch in Melee
Pit and ROB in Brawl
Smash 4 was the first one with only one retro character in Duck Hunt (and you could make the argument that Pac-Man counts bringing it up to 2). Melee and Brawl both had two.
Ice Climbers and Game & Watch in Melee
Pit and ROB in Brawl
Same could be said for team real though.
Honestly as it stands nobody is wrong and Dante is in.
I think they're good characters for their roles and have some decent development. Playing safe and honest sometimes works, so I disagree that they're the worst, I think Nia has a boring character arc and Dromarch does nothing.
This I agree with.
I'd say the amount of newcomers in the grinch leak is a good maximum
Most agrees that this person would be in a position to leak the real thing, but more and more insiders are saying it's fake. So I guess it depends if you want to believe the evidence or have faith in insiders.
Not really no, or at least I'm awake for an hour and haven't found anything.
I see people speculating that the leak might have been done by an actual professional and that it's fake regardless but it's it just another theory.
I like it. Or at least I'm glad that it sets him apart from the other swordfighter characters who are mostly in a "badass anime swordsman" pose.
Mine
Wonder Red
Chibi Robo
Rayman (here's ya crowd pleaser)
Decidueye
Elma
Ninten echo
Black shadow echo
Wonder Red
Chibi Robo
Rayman (here's ya crowd pleaser)
Decidueye
Elma
Ninten echo
Black shadow echo
Neither he or Simon are retro characters. They aren't owned by Nintendo (guest characters) and have multiple games over decades.
I have absolutely no idea why people gave them this label when it's clearly used for old Nintendo characters that don't get new stuff. Going by the "Simon is retro" metric, Mario would also be a retro rep.
Yup. I just don't give it to Mac because he had Punch Out Wii (and that's what likely got he in Smash even). Pac-man had a Wii U game just before getting in the game.
Crash (I wish. Clearly no one else wants him)
Rayman
Elma
Dixie
Ms PAC-MAN
Spring Man
Ribbon Girl
Twintelle
Octoling
Sora (Roxas alt, like Alph)
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Not really. If you count Mega Man, you could count Little Mac as well.
The whole retro rep debate sounds like the worst of the fan pattern theories, I wouldn't put any stock into it as there is no logical reason that Simon would count as a retro rep if Megaman or Pac-Man don't, and there is nothing stopping Sakurai from adding more then 1 retro rep anyway, like how people were convinced that we would only see one new Fire Emblem character in Smash 4 due to what came before it.
Viewtiful Joe
Pitfall Harry
Samurai Goroh
Doshin the Giant
Earthworm Jim
Simon Belmont is in:
- Castlevania (1986)
- Vampire Killer (1986)
- Haunted Castle (1988)
- CVII: Simon's Quest (1987)
- Super Castlevania IV (1991)
- CV Chronicles (1993 og release / 2001 PS1)
- CV Judgement (2008)
- CV Harmony of Despair (2010)
- Lords of Shadow: Mirror of Fate (2013)
- Grimoire of Souls (2019~)
He's not a retro character. He even had multiple redesigns over the years like most long lasting gaming icons.
- Castlevania (1986)
- Vampire Killer (1986)
- Haunted Castle (1988)
- CVII: Simon's Quest (1987)
- Super Castlevania IV (1991)
- CV Chronicles (1993 og release / 2001 PS1)
- CV Judgement (2008)
- CV Harmony of Despair (2010)
- Lords of Shadow: Mirror of Fate (2013)
- Grimoire of Souls (2019~)
He's not a retro character. He even had multiple redesigns over the years like most long lasting gaming icons.
When people say retro rep they mean NES character who was a one-off or forgotten. Like even ignoring that sakurai specifically chose Pit due to Uprising.
G&W and Rob are not on the level of Ice Climbers. (G&W Gallery has 4 or 5 games) Despite what i just said, Duck Hunt is definitely the retro rep for smash 4 as we all agree.
since she's private on twitter, anyone know what exactly emily said? (or at least the page number it was quoted in this thread?)
That's an... interesting take, given what was happening on ERA when Rayman was brought up.
Yeah, it's a bit of a mess. With ssries being quite active until recently, I'd say Simon is most comparable to Marth if anything.
Basically "it's fake". Don't want to quote the tweet itself as her account is locked, but I think someone posted it.
I mean would you not logic that after knowing he dedicated time to redesign Pit to be up to date much like Link was post 2D zelda?
Pretty sure he even dedicated a section to Pit's redesign at a GDC.
Suppose this is true.
Then the announcement one month later that Isabelle was the final newcomer the entire time is clearly the bigger bang. Sorry, Isabelle fans. It's a stone, you didn't make it.
I wouldn't because it directly contradicts what he's actually said about Uprising's development
Stars is an interesting one that I keep seeing bought up in this context around insiders and Smash, and the thing I'll say yet again is this: plans change, and it's very possible that when Eurogamer wrote the Stars report that was the actual plan. Then the plan shifted. A publication like EG doesn't run rumours without multiple verifiable sources, as their very successful rumour reporting (from the same writer!) on the Switch itself proved. But sometimes you get tripped up by plans switching and changing. Eurogamer even ran a follow up report, again through many sources, explaining how the Stars plans were shelved and how we got to where we now are. That was less widely shared, of course, because it wasn't a juicy exciting new leak.
This is the onus on people who hold themselves go traditional reporting standards, so people on big sites etc. Obviously youtubers and influencers and stuff often don't vet their sources or work go multiple source nearly as much (though some do! But it's far less common), and that's why you see those sources go wrong more often. With that said, anyone can be tripped up. Sometimes you just get tripped up in slightly off base ways, like I was told about Simon and Richter very early this year and told it'd be an E3 reveal. I never could get the second source and so never reported it, but if I had I'd have been lit up as a fraud at E3 because my source got the timing wrong. Getting the correct information but ever so slightly off is Also really common, which again is why multiple sources can be so vital for proper reporting - it reduces the margin of error.
Damn. I would've picked some of their safer newcomer choices as well xD
Anyway:
11e - Black Falcon
63e - Jeanne
69 - Captain Toad
69e - Toadette
70 - Doom Guy
71 - Decidueye
72 - Rayman
73 - Karate Joe
Time Travel Theory explains why Sakurai keeps getting younger, I can buy it!
Some days, I wonder what would the world be like if Rodea and Uprising launched on Wii the same week as Skyward Sword.
Thanks for this. Being a journalist is extremely harsh because people hold them to super high standards, using every tiny mistake to expose them as "frauds"; yet they believe (without questioning) in influencers and other strong personalities that gives them what they want to hear.
Eurogamer gets lots of things right. They broke out Diablo 3 for Switch and BLOPS IIII being this year's CoD. But people seem to only remember the Stars leak, that was even very likely somewhat real for a time as Gamefreak/Nintendo were considering the next step for the series.
We read this article and it wasn't convincing at all. That's why the thread answers about it were mainly "damage control".
No?
Where are these out of nowhere hot takes coming from? Literally nothing has changed
Literally nothing has changed, we'll probably only if it's real or fake when we get the next character reveal
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