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Ninja Theory hiring a game analytics person, sounds potentially Games as a Service-y
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Aye, care to have a few examples of MS studioes ruined by GaaS? I know Lionhead would be one, I suppose, considering Fable Legends really wasn't that great of a game.
And that instant negativity or this must be bad seems to be the default reaction for a lot of people to go to, shame really.
Ninja Theory, a studio who previously worked with mental health advisors to help them in production of Hellblade to ensure a fair and accurate portrayal of mental health issues in that game and who donated $100k from the games revenue to charity have now since the acquisition by Microsoft and this new job posting turned into a greedy nefarious business that wants to steal our money through lootboxes and MXT's. It's just sad.
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Why people so much against GaaS. All games with long term DLC plans are essentially Gaas games .Gaas doesn't mean pay to win, MTX heavy games . Smh
yes MGS really needs to work on their public perception a publisher. that public perception is indeed very sad
hopefully they acquired ninja theory to do just that rather than to do the opposite, by changing them from a single-player studio with old-school non-exploitative business practices to one focused on microtransactions
RARE is not the same not even doing single player games anymore and FASAgames died right with the launch of Shadowrun.
yes, best art has analytics.
we need better ways to maximize addictive behaviour. think how shitty casino slotmachines would be without analytics
Right..you have any specific examples of studios being ruined due to MS forcing GaaS on them?
Could just be multiplayer, or project xStream related (that would actually make it much more of a GaaS than what colloquially is considered GaaS by some people here). Either way, we know Microsoft wants to leverage Azure every way it can, so it's likely GaaS. It makes sense for them, though it would kill my interest if so.
I love NT....I hope the game is similar to their past projects i.e Hellblade ,Enslaved or DmC....I'll be there day one. these guys are super talented and know how to craft some amazing experiences. MP only, Gaassy or strictly SP..I'll be there day one.
Fairly certain Rare has come out and said they chose the games they did. And Sea of Thieves is definitely a game Rare did by choice. Not to mention MS's team has changed so much in the recent years that it's a little short sighted to look so far into the past for these kind of things.
RARE is not the same not even doing single player games anymore and FASA games died right with the launch of Shadowrun.
Are people really gonna pretend that games today don't send analytics to the developer? Quite literally everything you use nowadays probably sends something to whoever now.
Also this talk about Microsoft ruining game studios by making "gaas" titles is funny as fuck. If you have played any game that has post launch support (so pretty much every modern video game) then congrats, you've played a gaas title no matter how in denial you might be.
Also this talk about Microsoft ruining game studios by making "gaas" titles is funny as fuck. If you have played any game that has post launch support (so pretty much every modern video game) then congrats, you've played a gaas title no matter how in denial you might be.
So Rare not doing single player games means they're ruined now? As the poster above mentioned, Rare chose to make this game.
What does FASA have to do with GaaS? I honestly don't know the story behind this one.
Our podcast team has interviewed several executives on the Xbox team. We talk to them when we go to events like E3. We have conversations with them. We actually had a long talk with one of them about single player and GaaS titles a while back and he specifically pointed to titles like God of War and The Witcher 3. They view any type of post-launch support (including DLC expansions) as GaaS.
And yes, I am aware that since this conversation happened there was a statement by Barlog denying there were any plans for God of War DLC. Even if that never happens the point remains that a purely single player game can be seen as GaaS in the Xbox team's eyes.
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I just want a simple singleplayer AAA high rated game like Spiderman, God of War or Horizon.
These aquisations are nice but I don't think Ninja Theory or Complulsion are big enough to make a game like one of the above PS4 game examples I have given.
I'm hoping The Initiative or Playgrounds 2nd team are big studios that can deliver a high quality AAA singpleyer game. I wonder if those studios are that big.
I'd take 1 Spiderman or 1 God of War over 10 Contrast, We Happy Few, Hellblade tier games.
These aquisations are nice but I don't think Ninja Theory or Complulsion are big enough to make a game like one of the above PS4 game examples I have given.
I'm hoping The Initiative or Playgrounds 2nd team are big studios that can deliver a high quality AAA singpleyer game. I wonder if those studios are that big.
I'd take 1 Spiderman or 1 God of War over 10 Contrast, We Happy Few, Hellblade tier games.
I don't like the implication of the thread title. Like we're already looking for reasons to be upset and we don't even know anything, and we're years away from reveal.
I don't think that is a perception of Microsoft's making, well not on there own anyway. Out of all of their games that are GaaS which ones have been predatory or generally bad for gamers?
Microsoft's perception on this board is bad, really bad. Threads pop up and are instantly filled with negative comments, shit posts and hot takes which then reinforces the idea to a lot of people that Microsoft is a bad company and so it goes and so it goes. It's that original Xbox One reveal (and a lot of built up animosity) that is still stinging them to this day.
It chanced very recently so far not seen results, but I'm hyped for what could bring to the future.
Nice post....add DMC5 to the list. I'm sure MS told Capcom to include Mtx to that too.
I guess Halo 5 had some lootboxes (even if they are generally unintrusive) and Forza has tons of DLC? Thats all I can think of.
MS in general seems to do DLC well.
And people wondering why other people think Xbox threads are set to go down every time.
I don't believe RARE chose that game by the own will, I think Microsoft had a lot to do with making a game like a service, RARE just chose why the want but with GAS as a priority. But past is the past I want to believe in the future what could they bring but seeing news like this frustrate me a little bit because I don't like GAS games because the lack of time.
I think it's fine, the job spec does all point to GaaS but the lack of monetization models or even mention of revenue means it doesnt sound like Lootbox GaaS.
This is Ninja Theory, the team behind Hellblade. If anything, the bullet point to focus on is: "perform regular deep-dive analyses to investigate player behavior." Which sounds like a natural progression of where they were going with Hellblade.
Witcher 3 isn't gaas. By that sense, every single game that has received a patch or two or an expansion or two in history of gaming is gaas, so most games ever is gaas.
Any post-launch support is GaaS? OK well that's them just diluting the term past the point of relevance. I guess they're free to hold that opinion, in as much as I'm free to laugh at them for holding it.
Appreciate the prompt and polite reply BTW.
Halo 5 was for Warzone there social offering, there was no MTX advantage in Arena there competitive offering. Forza Motorsport and Horizon have paid DLC but its not restrictive or gameplay changing to the base game. I'll be happy if they stay the same course next gen.
I agree it's too broad. There's a world of difference between Destiny and The Witcher 3 in terms of GaaSyness.
Barely, but yeah. GaaS refers to games that get post launch support/content so that their longevity increases.
I this "Rare didnt choose to make Sea of Thieves" based on anything or is it just a conspiracy theory because you dont like Microsoft.
MHW, Destiny, DOTA 2, Warframe are gaas games, not Super Mario Odyssey and Witcher 3.
Think of it this way: GaaS means titles having long-term support and updates, as opposed to "closing" a project once the title ships and the high-priority known-shippables are fixed. It keeps a team in place in a way you wouldn't have in the past, and whether there are extra layers of monitization is a separate thing.
No disrespect, but if you don't understand how the Witcher 3 is a GaaS title, you don't understand the term (or the style of support the game had for years after release).
The Witcher 3 had a live team of developers continually adding content to the game post launch. That is literally "games as a service" so it is a gaas game. Your definition only includes multiplayer and that's not all gaas is.
I dont see why TW3 is not. It has a lot more DLC than MHW, it just doesnt have MTXs.
Mario odyssey got a post launch game mode and new cosmetics (and still does) , witcher 3 got post launch quests, items and 2 expansion packs.
That is literally Gaas