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Heromanz

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Oct 25, 2017
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I was re watched beast of no nation last night and it got me thinking about games for some reason. That movie is just fantastic but at no point was it fun or entertaining to me. This got me thinking about games. Do games have to be fun? Where is gaming beast of no nation or a movie like it ? So many of the best games game of all time are fun experiences and are fun to play For example at the end of the year when we list the best games of the year I expect all of them to be fun experiences. but Can there be a game that tackles a source material or topic that is not fun or enjoyable and make a game that isnt fun?
 

oni-link

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Oct 25, 2017
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No, games can be exhausting or terrifying, or even educational

They don't have to be fun, but if they're not fun that will put off a lot of people, which is understandable
 

Silky

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Oct 25, 2017
10,522
Georgia
Kane & Lynch 2 is not a fun game at all, or mechanically astounding. It's a brutal and uncomfortable mess of a game that's absolutely fascinating to watch unfold

So yes it is possible
 

steviestar3

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Jul 3, 2018
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Games don't have to be fun, they just have to be engaging. See games like Papers Please or most traditional horror games for games that resonated with people despite not being mechanically fun games.
 

Deleted member 1627

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Oct 25, 2017
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Papers, Please is not fun. At all. Still a fantastic game.

So no, they don't have to be fun. Engaging, yes. Fun? No.

Spec Ops: The Line, also not fun but still a fantastic game.
 

Cipher Peon

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Oct 25, 2017
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100% hard no

Fun is one emotion, games have the capability to capture so much more than that. Emotional engagement is a better term for what games should strive for!
 

bbq of doom

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Oct 25, 2017
10,606
Entertainment isn't always fun, at least for me. I like games that give you a variety of emotional responses and fun's but one of those.
 

LavaBadger

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Nov 14, 2017
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Absolutely not.

Video games, books, movies, comics, paintings, etc; basically anything you can find that can qualify as "entertainment" is not always "fun." Sometimes it's scary, sometimes it's sad, sometimes it's frustrating. Fun is not the only thing we can experience and fun is not the only worthwhile experience to have in a video game.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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For me YES. I don't play games for any other reason. I don't need to be informed nor educated through gaming. Good for others not for me.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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They don't, but I believe that the vast majority of the time people use "fun" to talk about games, they actually just mean engaging.

But, that being said, there's an often unexplored part of this discussion, that is the inherent enjoyment that comes from interacting with game mechanics. So, for example, The Last of Us made combat a lot more brutal in order to sell how unforgiving that world was. Uncharted's more pulpy action was reflected in the enemies' hit reactions and stuff like that, but in The Last of Us you really feel each shot. However, there's just an undeniable pleasure in having good feedback for each button press. So when you hit a headshot, chunks fly off, the controller vibrates, the aim reticle changes and all of that, it feels good.

They wanted to show brutality, and they did, but with that came enjoyment as well. The only way to counter that would be to make it feel bad on purpose, but the problem then becomes the fact that it feels bad, due to the constant active engagement that goes on for many more hours than a movie. If a game feels bad to play, it won't make you reflect on that, it will just make you less likely to finish it. A movie that's hard to watch doesn't take any more actual effort than one that isn't. Maybe time will feel like it goes by slowly or something like that, but you're still sitting on your ass for two hours. Active feedback for 15 hours is different.
 

spman2099

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Oct 25, 2017
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I cried my way through What Remains of Edith Finch. It was occasionally fun, but that isn't what made that game great. Fun is one way to entertain players that certain types of games need to leverage in order to be successful. Mega Man has to be fun. However, there are a number of ways to engage people.

So no, games do not need to be fun.
 

BeaconofTruth

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Dec 30, 2017
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Not necessarily, and not necessarily because of sappy story shit. Games just have to engage n satisfy. Games can be tense, grueling, competitive.

What they can't get away with is not having good gameplay. It's an interactive medium, the interactive aspects are non negotiable to me.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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If you want to sell a shitload, yeah

But absolutely not. Art moves you in some way. Games can be the same. Complete misery is still valid art.
 

Psychonaut

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Jan 11, 2018
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No. I wouldn't really say that I have fun playing Life is Strange, for example, but I love those games dearly.
 
Nov 14, 2017
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I guess that depends from person to person. For me it's absolutely no.

For example, "The Walking Dead S1" from Telltale was never "fun" but the story/characters was extremely intriguing, and it's one of my favorite games ever.
If you only play games for "fun", you might limit yourself. But you do you of course.
 

Edgar

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Oct 29, 2017
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Nope, my fav games, shows and films are not considered fun in the slightest. I want to be emotionally engaged. Fun doesn't mean shit to me
 

celigio

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Oct 27, 2017
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I use "fun" as just an all-catch term for enjoyement

It's not the same "fun" playing Mario than playing Silent Hill or Life is Strange

Basically any emotional response that is not indifference/boredom
 

Kingpin722

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Oct 28, 2017
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For me, if you're classified as a video game or game, it's mandatory to have some element that is fun. If you want to educate or inform me without fun, you should classify yourself as a book
 

stinkyguy666

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Nov 4, 2017
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See this is why we kind of screwed ourselves over in calling them "games" instead of 'interactive art' or something.
 

Damn Silly

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Oct 25, 2017
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Nope. As plenty of people have said though, they have to be engaging and being fun is the simplest way for most games to do that.
 

smash_robot

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Oct 27, 2017
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You probably wouldn't say schindlers list is a fun despite it being an excellent film. Games are the same - the main requirement is that they are engaging.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Do you hold other media to the same standard? Do you only watch pop-corn movies?


Yes but with other emotions.

I don't watch depressing or overly brooding TV shows or movies however documentaries are fine.

I avoid overtly shallow music that lacks depth (in my opinion) as I like to get a bit of substance from music based on the genre.

Sappy songs are fine but I hate sappy movies



not sure if this makes sense
 

Piston

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Oct 25, 2017
11,170
My general requirement for games is that they are satisfying. That can come in many forms and being satisfyingly "fun" is definitely one of the major forms.
 

wolfshirt

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Oct 28, 2017
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Los Angeles
No.

Infact, when someone rips into a game because it wasn't "fun" it's usually a good indicator that they lack any sort of intellectual and critical understanding of the medium.
 

~Fake

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Oct 27, 2017
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The game played last of us is definitely meant to be fun. The game is supposed to be fun.
Where? Much of those genres are suppost to be immersive in some kind. REmake is not 'fun', but instead bring terror for some people like my cousin who like seeing me play the game.
Some games like Life is Strange are support to tell something. So, no necessary 'fun'.
Short answer: No. Not always.
 

PSqueak

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Oct 25, 2017
12,464
why is this even a question, yes they have.

Fun doesn't mean "tee hee hee ha ha ha" feel good, basically means enjoyable, engaging and entertaining, depresing, sad and scary stories ARE entertaining, you are entertained by those things, thus you are having fun, you're enjoying your time even if it's not a happy story or if it is a tough as nails game.

Videogames are an entertainment product, how hard is this to grasp?