I have 0 problem with LGPE, I Will simply not buy them.
But I found your message particulary lolworthy.
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Pokémon Let's Go Eevee/Pikachu (Switch) announced; coming Nov 16th 2018
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But I found your message particulary lolworthy.
This analogy doesn't really work, Pokemon isn't a complicated series. This is like going from MK8D to SMK but arbitrarily keeping some stuff from MKDS and MKDD.
If this game was trying to appeal to you, then they would remove all of these things, but instead they kept them arbitrarily.
I'm not the one that suggested to play a screensaver, but ok.
I'm so ready for Nov to get here and to be able to move on from these arguments.
For four months until they show gen 8 and people argue over criticism of what they show.
For four months until they show gen 8 and people argue over criticism of what they show.
It's vastly more complicated than Mario Kart. Past Pokemon games aren't complicated compared to Lets Go.
If anything, the arguments will only continue come November since we'll have the game as a whole to compare to previous entries.
If you'd actually bothered to read and comprehend what I said, I was using clueless in the context of you making a piss poor argument that was easily defeated by bringing up what GF had specifically said about wanting the game to appeal to both demographics. Meanwhile you act all high and mighty while using a passive aggressive "well-adjusted" insult, and that makes you any better? That's hypocritical.
Not to mention, where have I belittled anyone for liking LGEP? All I did was attack the logic used in defending the design choices they've made. As I've said multiple times, people are free to like the game but they're not free to make baseless arguments whether it's to defend or criticize. Lastly, the fact that you continue to assert that it's about the game not appealing to my tastes confirms that you've missed the point entirely.
Let's just face it. Pokémon Let's Go is becoming the The Last Jedi of Pokémon.
On one hand we have a loud minority complaining about what the game isn't. On the other we have a silent majority looking forward to the game for what it is.
But time will tell, I expect this game to sell handsomely. And Eevee to take the lead of the two versions. Pikachu is nice and all, but Eevee is the new hotness. even if it's as old as Pikachu.
On one hand we have a loud minority complaining about what the game isn't. On the other we have a silent majority looking forward to the game for what it is.
But time will tell, I expect this game to sell handsomely. And Eevee to take the lead of the two versions. Pikachu is nice and all, but Eevee is the new hotness. even if it's as old as Pikachu.
You need to tone things down. You can have a discussion with others and your points on this game without resorting to name calling and other such tactics. I can understand that there are aspects of this game not to your liking but do not take that out on your fellow users. You can voice criticism without resorting to negativity aimed at others.
How can you possibly know that people who aren't talking about this game have the same opinion as you?
Considering how people excused ORAS's dumbing down and removing the Battle Frontier by saying "it's a remake of RUBY/SAPPHIRE, NOT Emerald!" despite FRLG taking JPN Gen III elements and HGSS taking Crystal elements (and ORAS removing stuff in RS to begin with) I'm not at all surprised that people somehow think being inconsistent by removing held items/abilities yet keeping pointless features like natures is a good idea and totally not baffling in the slightest.
For me at least, my criticism and anger is from the fact that I know Game Freak can make better, lengthy, and more enjoyable games for all, and better remakes. We went from the highs of BW2/HGSS, to lower and lower points every year until SM launched, only for it to continue to dive afterwards as if nothing happened. The best Pokemon game in modern memory, hands down is Super Mystery Dungeon, since it feels like a love letter to past entries and does a damn good job of feeling like the final chapter, and the devs put their all in it. You don't really feel the sense of finality in modern pokemon games, despite being a factor behind GSC, and that's because everyone knows the franchise can't die. Even if the games somehow do, the anime and merch lines will go strong, and I sure as hell still buy lots of TCG stuff, among other things.
Considering how Pokemon games became yearly all of a sudden, it's also very concerning that they seem adamant to just make profit on nostalgia while also making each new game replacable.
Nobody will stick around for LGPE once Gen 8 hits. If Gen 8 feels like yet another Pokemon game instead of something memorable, nobody will feel motivated to replay Gen 8 when Gen 9 hits, etc. People replay Gens I-V all the time, and even GO is replayable and lots of fun since it's being updated a lot. Those games are still the most popular to mess around with, and that's because they don't feel like throwaway games to meet a yearly quota.
That's why fans are mad and disgruntled, since this could have been a remake worth revisiting every few years or so, yet I have a feeling more people will replay FRLG on their youtube/twitch in the future over this game.
I will agree though that I don't think people should be so vile towards those willing to give this game an honest shot. I think the main reasoning for that is due to fear this will sell millions based on name alone, cementing that this idea is good in Game Freak's mind.
For me at least, my criticism and anger is from the fact that I know Game Freak can make better, lengthy, and more enjoyable games for all, and better remakes. We went from the highs of BW2/HGSS, to lower and lower points every year until SM launched, only for it to continue to dive afterwards as if nothing happened. The best Pokemon game in modern memory, hands down is Super Mystery Dungeon, since it feels like a love letter to past entries and does a damn good job of feeling like the final chapter, and the devs put their all in it. You don't really feel the sense of finality in modern pokemon games, despite being a factor behind GSC, and that's because everyone knows the franchise can't die. Even if the games somehow do, the anime and merch lines will go strong, and I sure as hell still buy lots of TCG stuff, among other things.
Considering how Pokemon games became yearly all of a sudden, it's also very concerning that they seem adamant to just make profit on nostalgia while also making each new game replacable.
Nobody will stick around for LGPE once Gen 8 hits. If Gen 8 feels like yet another Pokemon game instead of something memorable, nobody will feel motivated to replay Gen 8 when Gen 9 hits, etc. People replay Gens I-V all the time, and even GO is replayable and lots of fun since it's being updated a lot. Those games are still the most popular to mess around with, and that's because they don't feel like throwaway games to meet a yearly quota.
That's why fans are mad and disgruntled, since this could have been a remake worth revisiting every few years or so, yet I have a feeling more people will replay FRLG on their youtube/twitch in the future over this game.
I will agree though that I don't think people should be so vile towards those willing to give this game an honest shot. I think the main reasoning for that is due to fear this will sell millions based on name alone, cementing that this idea is good in Game Freak's mind.
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It's anecdotal, but from talking to my local stores, Eevee is in the lead and it's not even close. Surprised me, as well. Even if I've I got an Eevee preordered, too.
I can't. But when a thread is this toxic, why would anyone who wants to, you know, talk about the game even bother posting here?
I'm looking forward to the game, whenever I see footage of it, it just looks fun. But last time I said that here, I got jumped for daring to post a positive impression of it.
That's strange, it doesnt look like anyone jumped you at all the last time you did that in the thread
The last jedi was shit
*stokes flames*
It's hard to tell how the silent majority will work prior to release. Yea it's pokemon, but we can't deny that it has things going against it right now. Preorders have been stated to be low, and general engagement by the audiences have been middling compared to recent entries. Will that silent majority show up? Who knows
*stokes flames*
It's hard to tell how the silent majority will work prior to release. Yea it's pokemon, but we can't deny that it has things going against it right now. Preorders have been stated to be low, and general engagement by the audiences have been middling compared to recent entries. Will that silent majority show up? Who knows
This is my most anticipated game this year outside of Smash. November should be an amazing month, first the midterms, then Pokémon on Switch, then Thanksgiving break!
I never understood when people get upset at a critical look at some foundational elements of games. Like I understand drive bys but well thoughtout post show that even if its critcal the person actually cares about the content and shouldn't be silenced.
Does the studio have more designers than devs? Can Nintendo not give them any dev support? I just don't undrstand.
Please don't poke at others. I can understand where you're coming from, but this tone won't help matters in conducting a fair conversation on the numerous aspects this game has which people like and dislike.
Nintendo does lend support but this is a Game Freak production funded by The Pokemon company. If GF doesn't feel the need to make a Battle Frontier, it ain't getting made
Still waiting on Pokemon Bank confirmation lol. But for now I'm getting the game.
I mostly want those joycons tho......
I mostly want those joycons tho......
That's what I think, too. But some people came into that movie with expectations of what it should be, and then got angry that it wasn't. I'm just seeing a parallel here. I just want to look at Pokémon Let's Go for what it is, even if other games did something else.
True, I may have misremembered from back in August. I had a lot on my mind late August.
I still hold to what I said back then. Pokémon desperately needed a refresh, and I'm glad Let's Go is taking a swing at it. Unfortunately, going back to basics means cutting out a lot of things. But I see Let's Go as a fantastic point to build from. Get the new classic gameplay loop working, and then build on that.
To be completely honest, Let's Go Eevee is my second-most anticipated game this year. It just looks fun. I get to ruffle an Eevee's fur and give it a silly hairstyle. I might even nickname this one, which I rarely ever do in Pokémon. I always play Pokémon as Serious Business, but having a game where that's just not a thing is... it's honestly refreshing. I even get to use a real-looking Poké Ball to play, too. That's something my inner child is definitely excited for. It's silly, it's stupid, and I want it.
Do I miss breeding? Yes. Do I miss held items? ...no. Abilities? It's the first 151. They're not that important yet. There's one worry I have about the balance of the game, though and that's PP. When wild Pokémon are a battle, you spend PP while fighting and catching. Now it's only in trainer battles. Will PP management when traveling be a thing?
My most wanted game is Smash, of course. But being second to Smash on my wishlist is not a bad position to be at all.
Actually, come to think of it, what would be a good nickname for an Eevee that can't evolve?
I feel like The Pokemony Company behaves more like an insurance company.
That would imply Game Freak funds their pokemon games (I guess?). Wouldn't make much sense with TPC being the publisher. The again, GF gets a cut, so....?
It was mostly just a joke, insurance companies are known to try and make money while spending as little in return as they possibly can. Obviously you should do that in business to an extent but when done to hilarious degrees thats when it starts leaving a bad taste.
Like for an example (I don't watch the anime anymore but its the first thing that came to mind), if I recall TPC was behind the changing of the voices from 4kids, there were multiple reasons but the one I remember most by just how toonishly stingy the thought process was that "it didn't matter because the fans wouldn't care or notice the voice changes."
Same for the bolded part, i'll toss in a Mario Party for the family.
I play since Yellow and i'm always open-minded about changes in this series. After Kiseki i have accepted my role, Game Freak leads and i follow.
I'm gonna try and add some positivity too. I am really looking forward to this game even though it's not perfect.
Having played the game for a while (in Viridian Forest), I am pretty sure I am gonna love the game.
The catching takes some getting used to, but I never really liked catching Pokemon that much. After a while it's just False Swipe, paralyse and throw balls. This is just cutting out the first two steps for me.
The visuals aren't next gen or anything, but they are colourful and pleasing. It can seem bland in screenshots, but it feels better in motion. At least for me anyway.
That and Pokemon never had amazing graphics. Some might say I should have better expectations, but I'm gonna be happy with what there is, not what there isn't.
My only real concern is the difficulty, but I play Pokemon to have an adventure so even that isn't a huge deal for me.
Nah, my real concern is if the game is bank/forward compatible. If for some strange reason it isn't, then I'll grab a pitchfork!
Having played the game for a while (in Viridian Forest), I am pretty sure I am gonna love the game.
The catching takes some getting used to, but I never really liked catching Pokemon that much. After a while it's just False Swipe, paralyse and throw balls. This is just cutting out the first two steps for me.
The visuals aren't next gen or anything, but they are colourful and pleasing. It can seem bland in screenshots, but it feels better in motion. At least for me anyway.
That and Pokemon never had amazing graphics. Some might say I should have better expectations, but I'm gonna be happy with what there is, not what there isn't.
My only real concern is the difficulty, but I play Pokemon to have an adventure so even that isn't a huge deal for me.
Nah, my real concern is if the game is bank/forward compatible. If for some strange reason it isn't, then I'll grab a pitchfork!
One thing's for sure that's definitely going for this game. The music.
My gosh it's incredible.
My gosh it's incredible.
When I had a vision of a big change and reboot of Pokemon this isnt exactly what I had in mind but this does seem ideal as an introduction game for my kids to enjoy
Maybe
We will have to see if they design choices end up working out in the end
I personally am not a fan of all the things the mainline series has been doing either sooo... on one hand im happy to see them experimenting but I can see how people arent seeing the value of some of their choices
Maybe
We will have to see if they design choices end up working out in the end
I personally am not a fan of all the things the mainline series has been doing either sooo... on one hand im happy to see them experimenting but I can see how people arent seeing the value of some of their choices
From the look of it yes. It's a mythical pokemon from what I can remember.
I've been on the fence about this game for awhile now so I've been watching some gameplay videos. I like how pokemon are seen crawling around the overworld instead of just randomly manifesting in the grass.
Has anymore info been released regarding trainer customization? I like my player character to have a darker skin tone. I would hope it does since Pokemon Sun and Pokemon Go have it....
Has anymore info been released regarding trainer customization? I like my player character to have a darker skin tone. I would hope it does since Pokemon Sun and Pokemon Go have it....
4 skin tones according to serebii, but it seems like eyes and hair are out for this game
I really don't understand the "build on this as a base for a fresh start" logic since this is a huge downgrade in some ways (going back to tile based movement). That's not exactly what I see as a jump for the series lol. Stuff like Pokémon on the field and no random encounters I understand though. I hope they're more ambitious for the actual next gen game than this.
I'll agree with this. It's what i've wanted since the 3DS games. I hope the next gen follows suit and doesn't go back to using their awful software instruments.
That's a really good point that I didn't take into account. There's definitely a lineage explaining away how ORAS did away with certain mechanics and features and people justified it because it's not remaking Emerald, meanwhile they'll ignore how HGSS took from Crystal, or how FRLG included QoL improvements from Gen III (and frankly was a response to Dex being difficult to complete because of lack of Gen I catchable Pokemon). The problem being that a remake should be about streamlining and balancing between nostalgia and newcomers. That's why I loved Morimoto's philosophy in HGSS so much, because you can tell he cared about letting the nostalgia come through to people who loved GSC while also being friendly to people who were unfamiliar with GSC. I just wish that same approach was taken for something like LGEP instead of this rather haphazard and careless approach of cutting things for the sake of helping casuals while also keeping complex things that are inherently casual-unfriendly. And that's the thing, I completely understand going the casual route even if Pokemon as a series has never really been as complex or hardcore as say Smash. It's just the way to go about it seems counterintuitive to their intent.
I'm pretty sure that Let's Go still primarily uses VST. Shota Kageyama hasn't mentioned anything about major live recording sessions on his Twitter account and he's the one that started to bring VST into the series from HGSS onwards.
The 3DS games also used live instruments in some tracks when Hideaki Kuroda was involved (no word if he's working on this game yet). The music likely isn't as compressed and doesn't need to accommodate for the 3DS speakers anymore.
I also can't see them spending money on a full orchestra for this either. The fact that Kageyama was even brought back for this probably means that their in-house composers (Ichinose, Adachi etc.) are working on Gen 8. I don't think Let's Go is that much of an investment for Game Freak.
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Interesting. I could have sworn that some of the soundtrack sounded like it was using real instruments. Hopefully it is... even low budget anime usually spends the dough for an orchestra so it not being in next gen Pokémon at the very least would be... rough. I guess it's be a consolation prize if their software sounds a lot better than it did for DS/3DS.
At the very least it sounds a lot more cohesive than what they've done previously where a track will sound high quality but then the jingle for winning or leveling up would sounds like it's on hardware 12 years older lol.
At the very least it sounds a lot more cohesive than what they've done previously where a track will sound high quality but then the jingle for winning or leveling up would sounds like it's on hardware 12 years older lol.
I find orchestra overrated. Then again I'm hearing impaired. Mario and Zelda still uses midi and you don't see people complaining. Point is, as long as they dont Dragon Quest 11 it, not many people are going to care (or even notice) if it's midi or not. Samples would be sufficiently high enough to keep the line blurred
Mario galaxy used real orchestra for a large amount of it. I haven't played odyssey but I think some tracks have real instruments as well. Same with breath of the wild. I don't see why using samples should have a defense force since it'd be nice to have real orchestra either way and it's not like they should be strapped for cash. (Just like their animation work.)
I'm not defending midi samples, but pointing out this "everything should be orchestrated" trend I tend to see. A lot of the complaints tend to come down to "it's midi" when the real complaint is quality of the sampling. Not the same thing as the animation as there the complaint is on the performance, not the instrument used to make it (which midi would be more analogous to). Zelda and Mario mixed both orchestral and sequenced audio to great effect. My point was no one listened to Mario or Zelda, and then at a point where they heard a midi-based song, hated it. Masuda largely works with sequenced music and yet the sound quality increased significantly when they weren't so limited by the hardware (when they started to make their 3DS games). Now that they don't have to worry too much about computational power, they can afford higher samples. There'll definitely be some live pieces in it, but so far, pokemon has kept a rather homogeneous style, though SM has a good deal of stylistic variation.
To be clear I'm not arguing that every track should be 100% Hollywood orchestra, I know the games always implement different musical styles in the soundtrack and I don't want to change that, just for them to use real instruments for the tracks in the game that should have them vs using samples as a budget thing. Like complaining that it's midi when it's a track obviously written to be played by orchestra is pretty valid imo. (like the huge quality drop for me between blood borne and dark souls 3's soundtracks where like... even if you don't mind that dark souls 3 used samples, it would still be better if it was orchestrated since that's what the tracks are written for.)
The new bit that came out about how you have to battle legendary pokemon in order to catch them made me very happy.
I was super worried about going to the Zapdos powerplant and catching it by just throwing balls at it without a fight. Glad they kept legendary Pokemon battles.
I was super worried about going to the Zapdos powerplant and catching it by just throwing balls at it without a fight. Glad they kept legendary Pokemon battles.
I guess the issue is that Let's GO is being defined by what it is lacking compared to previous games, as opposed to what is new/different. That's a pretty bad thing for an experimental entry but I guess it can't be helped.
Game freak kind of have themselves to blame by conditioning their fan base over the past decade and a half lol
The reaction doesnt surprise me that much. Went through this with the MH community with MH World except the game proved to be just as deep and compelling in its gameplay as previous entries minus comparable content
I feel like they arent meeting the community half way enough in the depth department
And thats a shame because there are a lot of mechanics in Pokemon that would absolutely be worth reexamining
I hope they put the soundtrack on iTunes.
Like that Pokémon company does that. Wish Nintendo wouldn follow their lead there.
Like that Pokémon company does that. Wish Nintendo wouldn follow their lead there.
For me at least, that definition is easy to make since what's new doesn't really necessitate removing what was removed (not that I'm expecting them to be anything but disingenuous about the routine removal of features from the series for years now).
Mind you I'm still going to be giving this game a shot entirely aware of what it is. However there is definitely handful of truly head-scratching decisions that are holding me back from being genuinely excited for this game.