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Noodle

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Aug 22, 2018
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Well let's see what witty insights Republicans have on the issue!

90

...Never mind.
 
It's an excellent cartoon. With all the spectacle, we forgot what actually happened. We are so removed from it. This viscerally reminds you of what this is actually about, and how awful a person Kavanaugh is.

It does (very bluntly) cut out all the noise and highlight the main issue while also making a wider commentary about the Republican party. I think it's a very effective political cartoon. Haven't had one resound with me so much in years. Shame it has to be such a horrible, wrenching situation. I miss the days when lampooning Dan Quayle was what drove political art.
 

petethepanda

Saw the truth behind the copied door
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Oct 25, 2017
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chicago
I think it's an upsetting and effective cartoon, but it's incredibly fucking weird to jump down the throats of people who take issue with the way it's presented.
 

Boclfon479

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Oct 25, 2017
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So someone I'm friends with on Facebook was posting an alternate version of the picture that has blue D's instead of elephant cufflinks and has a caption of "Shut up! Mob justice rules now!"

And was touting it as the original version of it since "who in their right mind would think republicans are a threat to lady justice?"

It's getting to be too much -_-
 

Morrigan

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Oct 24, 2017
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It is not just a cartoon of a woman being raped though. It is a cartoon of Justice being raped by the Republican party.... and the latter is what the cartoonists wants to show.
Yep.

It immediately reminds me of this song (the line "justice is raped" is just incredibly on the nose even if it was written literally 30 years ago):

Halls of justice painted green, money talking
Power wolves beset your door, hear them stalking
Soon you'll please their appetite, they devour
Hammer of justice crushes you, overpower

The ultimate in vanity
Exploiting their supremacy
I can't believe the things you say
I can't believe, I can't believe the price you pay

Nothing can save you

Justice is lost, justice is raped, justice is gone
Pulling your strings, justice is done
Seeking no truth, winning is all
Find it so grim, so true, so real


Apathy their stepping stone, so unfeeling
Hidden deep animosity, so deceiving
Through your eyes their light burns, hoping to find
Inquisition sinking you, with prying minds

The ultimate in vanity
Exploiting their supremacy
I can't believe the things you say
I can't believe, I can't believe the price you pay

Nothing can save you

Justice is lost, justice is raped, justice is gone
Pulling your strings, justice is done
Seeking no truth, winning is all
Find it so grim, so true, so real


Lady justice has been raped, truth assassin
Rolls of red tape seal your lips, now you're done in
Their money tips her scales again, make your deal
Just what is truth? I cannot tell, cannot feel

The ultimate in vanity
Exploiting their supremacy
I can't believe the things you say
I can't believe, I can't believe the price we pay

Nothing can save us

Justice is lost, justice is raped, justice is gone
Pulling your strings, justice is done
Seeking no truth, winning is all
Find it so grim, so true, so real

Seeking no truth, winning is all
Find it so grim, so true, so real
 

dreams

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yep.

It immediately reminds me of this song (the line "justice is raped" is just incredibly on the nose even if it was written literally 30 years ago):

Halls of justice painted green, money talking
Power wolves beset your door, hear them stalking
Soon you'll please their appetite, they devour
Hammer of justice crushes you, overpower

The ultimate in vanity
Exploiting their supremacy
I can't believe the things you say
I can't believe, I can't believe the price you pay

Nothing can save you

Justice is lost, justice is raped, justice is gone
Pulling your strings, justice is done
Seeking no truth, winning is all
Find it so grim, so true, so real


Apathy their stepping stone, so unfeeling
Hidden deep animosity, so deceiving
Through your eyes their light burns, hoping to find
Inquisition sinking you, with prying minds

The ultimate in vanity
Exploiting their supremacy
I can't believe the things you say
I can't believe, I can't believe the price you pay

Nothing can save you

Justice is lost, justice is raped, justice is gone
Pulling your strings, justice is done
Seeking no truth, winning is all
Find it so grim, so true, so real


Lady justice has been raped, truth assassin
Rolls of red tape seal your lips, now you're done in
Their money tips her scales again, make your deal
Just what is truth? I cannot tell, cannot feel

The ultimate in vanity
Exploiting their supremacy
I can't believe the things you say
I can't believe, I can't believe the price we pay

Nothing can save us

Justice is lost, justice is raped, justice is gone
Pulling your strings, justice is done
Seeking no truth, winning is all
Find it so grim, so true, so real

Seeking no truth, winning is all
Find it so grim, so true, so real
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So we're pretending like the image isn't directly representing what a REAL WOMAN (Dr. Blasey Ford) described being done to her? Because in the image it's a cartoon woman? Fucking wow.
 

corasaur

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Oct 26, 2017
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I don't think it's necessary to show a cartoon depiction of sexual assault to suggest that sexual assault is bad.

it's a useful political cartoon precisely because the position of a sizable fraction of the country seems to be, "sexual assault basically never happens and if it did you probably had it coming."

if a bunch of upper-middle class people want to tell themselves that getting anti-consumer, anti-secular court decisions is more important than functional justice or believing likely victims, making them overwhelmingly uncomfortable so that anyone with a shred of empathy starts using it is necessary.
 

Deleted member 9207

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So we're pretending like the image isn't directly representing what a REAL WOMAN (Dr. Blasey Ford) described being done to her? Because in the image it's a cartoon woman? Fucking wow.

What Real Women*

The cartoons' themes should not be ignored because of the current timing either. Ford isn't the only one whose sexual assault is blatantly disregarded when considering the adequacy of a political candidate.
 

dreams

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Oct 25, 2017
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What Real Women*

The cartoons' themes should not be ignored because of the current timing either. Ford isn't the only one whose sexual assault is blatantly disregarded when considering the adequacy of a political candidate.
I never said that. I was responding to this
It is not just a cartoon of a woman being raped though. It is a cartoon of Justice being raped by the Republican party.... and the latter is what the cartoonists wants to show.
Which is what Morrigan was agreeing with. Again, I have said before in this thread, but I am speaking as a survivor of sexual assault myself, so it is pretty clear that I understand that this isn't just one case of horrific injustice.
 

Deleted member 27246

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Yep.

It immediately reminds me of this song (the line "justice is raped" is just incredibly on the nose even if it was written literally 30 years ago):


Yeah the Metallica song was literally the first thing that came to mind. It actually says "Lady Justice has been raped" in the lyrics...seems even more on the nose.

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MinusTydus

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Jul 28, 2018
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So we're pretending like the image isn't directly representing what a REAL WOMAN (Dr. Blasey Ford) described being done to her? Because in the image it's a cartoon woman? Fucking wow.

Cartoon women can't be raped, because cartoons aren't real. Therefore, rape is... not... real? CheckMATE, libtards!

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The cartoon is great, really. But I'm afraid more people will be offended-- or "offended"-- by it, than will take it for its true purpose: To illustrate that THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW AND NO ONE IS STOPPING IT.
 

Kyuuji

The Favonius Fox
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Nov 8, 2017
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Very effective image, as others have said one of the best I've seen.
 

mutantmagnet

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Oct 28, 2017
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Well let's see what witty insights Republicans have on the issue!

90

...Never mind.


The dumbest thing about this picture is that they want to pivot this into giving Beer a fair shake but they won't commit to investigation.


If they did the investigation ultimately would be inconclusive because it occurred so long ago and according to Ford she never mentioned this to the other people at the party who weren't in the room. They could push him through but they want to double down on assuming the accuser is guilty and shaming them for bringing up their trauma and it only makes the Halifax drawing all the more poignant and salient.
 

Lundren

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Oct 27, 2017
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I think the cartoon can show both Justice being raped by the Republican party as well as the actual assault that got us to this discussion in the first place.

I don't like the implications about Morrigan in this thread. As though because she is a mod she can't have an opinion that is different than certain posters.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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There's probably a valuable discussion to be had but perhaps one of the first points worthy of consideration should be people who feel so moved by the image in a way that they weren't before considering why they needed to see this image of a woman made small to be able to fully empathize and why the words of survivors weren't enough. Perhaps if it inspired more people to analyze and understand how rape culture has increased their apathy to real human suffering to the point that they only connect to it fully when the pain is from their own visceral discomfort, then I might agree with your assessment of its value.

At it is, I think a lot of people who think they needed this for a jolt or wake up call are going to spend a whole lot of time never considering why that is or how to work on that within themselves to become better allies because retweets are all the validation they need that seeing this and knowing it's upsetting was surely enough.

This is strawmanning. Just because someone had a strong reaction doesn't mean they had some epiphany that sexual assualt is bad or that they didn't sympathize with victims of it. You're assuming views for them solely to make your point.

If you look deeper you may find "Republicans raped justice" is only one interpretation. What I see is the powerlessness and voicelessness of a country at the hands of powerful men. Not power through violence, but fear and vulnerability to be a victim of violence. You may have others.
 

Inugami

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Oct 25, 2017
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Lmao why do conservative political cartoons always have a shit ton of labels
Because they wouldn't make sense without the labels, because they aren't proper representations of what they are trying to say... So instead they draw something random, then label it to make it seem like there is real meaning to their cartoons.
 

Watchtower

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Oct 27, 2017
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Lmao why do conservative political cartoons always have a shit ton of labels

Because the people that like this shit are idiots that need everything spelled out to them. And the end result is an image that literally says nothing without those labels.

Seriously, replace it with "Obamacare" and "benefits to Big Pharma" or "Gun Control Activism" and "blaming responsible gun owners for shootings" and the image would be exactly the same.
 

Morrigan

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So we're pretending like the image isn't directly representing what a REAL WOMAN (Dr. Blasey Ford) described being done to her? Because in the image it's a cartoon woman? Fucking wow.
No one is saying that. Art can have more that one individual meaning. The poster I was agreeing with said it's not just about one woman being raped, but also heavy in symbolism of what the GOP is essentially doing to justice and/or multiple women in America.

The image represents both Dr. Ford, and the symbolism of what is being done to justice.
 

Bakercat

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Oct 27, 2017
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Saw this on my Facebook feed a couple of days ago, very powerful. Might make it my profile pic so people have to see it...

Edit: it's my Facebook profile now. Watch Facebook ban me or something.
 

Depths

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm baffled by how some in this thread can't understand how art can represent multiple things at once. I mean that's like the point of the whole picture and why it works.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I feel like you have to deliberately ignore the scales and the blindfold and the GOP cuff links on his sleeves to not get what this image is doing.
 

TSM

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Oct 27, 2017
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So we're pretending like the image isn't directly representing what a REAL WOMAN (Dr. Blasey Ford) described being done to her? Because in the image it's a cartoon woman? Fucking wow.

The cartoon is as much about how the GOP has subverted justice by blocking Obama's pick to stack the court with their own people. It has multiple meanings.
 

Metallix87

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My friend had a theory that Conservatives don't become artists, which is why their attempts at any kind of artist expression end up being so lame. lol
I think they excel at different forms of art. Mel Gibson is a fantastic film maker, for example. Drawing and painting, on the flip side, seems like an area where leftists dominate, at least with regards to political cartoons and imagery.
 

B.O.O.M.

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Oct 25, 2017
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Came in to the thread thinking, nah can't be that shocking

Leaves thread shook. That's one amazing visual..disturbing but..accurate
 

WillyFive

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Oct 25, 2017
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Why are they so bad at this?

Political cartoons are bad in general, both from comedic, literary and artistry viewpoints (for many reasons, but not least because political cartoons are almost always forced by a deadline); but when you combine all of that with the "punching-down" issue the GOP suffers from, then it just truly becomes a mess.