No, but you knew exactly what you were doing being a snarky asshole. Please don't pretend that it wasn't the main intention of your original post.
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Itsuno was "really pumped" to make DmC2 before DMC5
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No, but you knew exactly what you were doing being a snarky asshole. Please don't pretend that it wasn't the main intention of your original post.
No, you misunderstood in your haze of anger. Read my edited post.
I feel like sometimes we fans think we know a franchise or series more than a developer or company does and that's kinda weird (obviously there's some exceptions there.). Especially since so many here are praising that it didn't happen with no knowledge of how it could have been with Itsuno fully at the helm.
I mean, I get it. It was juvenile. PR wasn't good. And it wasn't Devil May Cry V. But come on. If we could get a DMC 3 after what DMC 2 was then I think it's fair to want to see how a DmC 2 could be.
I mean, I get it. It was juvenile. PR wasn't good. And it wasn't Devil May Cry V. But come on. If we could get a DMC 3 after what DMC 2 was then I think it's fair to want to see how a DmC 2 could be.
That's by the by and in addition to the substance of my post. That's why I'm kind of annoyed with DmC fans. They don't discuss content at all really and focus on surface observations.
FWIW, here's the full interview this story was pulled from, now posted in its entirety: https://www.vg247.com/2018/09/27/de...s-balancing-difficulty-learning-ninja-theory/
That was my original assertion, so I'm not sure what we're even arguing about.
And yeah, I do like the substance of the gameplay of DMC. Both the combat and level design were terrific, if different from the standard DMC methodology.
The fuck does that have to do with reimplementing actual gameplay mechanics from DmC into DMCV?
I was never referring to that. I was referring specifically to the second part of that post.
That's what the second part of the post was in reference to. Whether or not someone finds gameplay substantial is of very little substance to the argument of DMCV taking significantly from DmC when it comes to gameplay. Every argument I see that pushes the "spiritual successor" angle is focused at least in part on Nero's fucking hair, or something as equally inconsequential. Which is ironic because these same people dismissed criticism of DmC because of perceived backlash to Dante's hair.
DmC fans aren't really concerned with substance, I've found.
And you know what? I like DmC just fine. I'm not crazy about it, but I think it's a good game.
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Agreed. I found DmC Dante to be much more likeable than Nero as well. I enjoyed both games, but I felt like DmC had better pacing and boss fights. It also looked like a much "cleaner" art style as well. By clean I mean that they did a great job with the aesthetic.
I think part of this is Itsuno didn't want to direct more Devil May Cry games after 4, so he trusted Ninja Theory to continue the series.after all their first dmc was really good, when that fell off NT got bought and fan response wasn't so enthusiastic he ended up deciding for a DMC 4 sequel as his team really wanted to make one
What happens in Monster Hunter threads? lol.
More of the old to be fair..if DmC weren't around, 5 just looks like a proper continuation from the main series.
Not to say there isn't any DmC DNA in there.
DMC threads will get much, much better once DMCV comes out and there's something new to talk about. I expect the dull-as-fuck DMC4 vs. DmC conversation to be put to bed rather swiftly at that point.
Everyday DE isn't on PC is a slightly gloomier day.
Dude, awesome work. Thank you!
Endless console warring because the series has swapped platforms multiple times. Doesn't even matter what the thread is about, give it 7 pages or so and it's a cesspool of fandom infighting.
Hope we get more than just colour switches in the future, some classic outfits.
Itsuno clearly saying this is DmC2 and the "fans" get triggered to write crap like this.
Exacerbated heavily by the fact that the MH series has been, at times, popular and powerful enough to have a real impact on platform success (it basically kept the PSP alive in Japan back in the day) and a lot of people who care much more about platforms than they care about games are *really* heavily invested yeah.
It isn't DmC2. It's DMC5. You posting from another timeline? Lol.
I'd probably rank the series
3>DmC>1 don't care enough to rank 4 and 2. Both have positives. But also their share of negatives. I tried to go back to 4 recently and gave up pretty quick once reaching the castle. I've said before 4 feels a lot like RE6 where the good gameplay can't nevessarily save the bad level design unless you've adapted already or put time into it in the past to learn all the tricks around it.
I expect 5 to take the top spot if it continues on it's trends.
3>DmC>1 don't care enough to rank 4 and 2. Both have positives. But also their share of negatives. I tried to go back to 4 recently and gave up pretty quick once reaching the castle. I've said before 4 feels a lot like RE6 where the good gameplay can't nevessarily save the bad level design unless you've adapted already or put time into it in the past to learn all the tricks around it.
I expect 5 to take the top spot if it continues on it's trends.
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They'd make more money with proper DLC outfits than those bloody micro-transactions, that's for sure.
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This is the most prime time for dumping DLC costumes. COMEON, GIVE ME DMC 2 DANTE.
Playing with fire, Jaw.
Some people can't let go. DMC5 is on its way yet whenever a thread surfaces about DmC a mad contingent of trolls must make themselves heard about how they'll hate it forever and ever. I mean, it's a great gauge for choosing users to ignore, really.
Pretty much how I feel about these games too. DMC4's campaign is so tiring. I might give the edge to DmC instead of 3 sometimes since the control scheme in DmC is more accessible and I dislike having to lock-on to be able to dodge.
I'd probably go 3 > 1 > DmC > 4 > 2 myself. Not that 4 is bad, but it's obviously unfinished + devil dice. It has better combat than DmC. DmC is kind of one-note, but at least you're not retreading half of the game. DMC4's level design can be tedious too. DmC took DMC4, asked how they could make the game more accessible, and then put their own spin on it. And they mostly succeeded albeit with some undeniable jank. If only Alex Garland actually wrote the game instead of Tameem.
1 is just a better game tho. More thoughtful combat, more thoughtful enemy design, more thoughtful encounter design, more thoughtful scenario design, and it goes on and on. It's less accessible and a little antiquated mechanically, but it all works as intended.
1 is just a better game tho. More thoughtful combat, more thoughtful enemy design, more thoughtful encounter design, more thoughtful scenario design, and it goes on and on. It's less accessible and a little antiquated mechanically, but it all works as intended.
1 > 3SE > 4SE = DmCDE > 2
4SE had way better gameplay than DE but significant shortcomings in other areas such as campaign design and the campaign basically being unfinished so tend of asset reuse and backtracking. DmCDE feels festure/campaign complete and the refinements in the DE really helped the gameplay even if it can't match the gameplay of say dmc3/4/ninja gaiden black/bayonetta
4SE had way better gameplay than DE but significant shortcomings in other areas such as campaign design and the campaign basically being unfinished so tend of asset reuse and backtracking. DmCDE feels festure/campaign complete and the refinements in the DE really helped the gameplay even if it can't match the gameplay of say dmc3/4/ninja gaiden black/bayonetta
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"Fans" know better than Itsuno what Itsuno really likes. Maybe "fans" should direct the next DMC game instead of him.
I'd play the hell out of a ninja gardening/farming game.
Can we, maybe not put the word 'fans' in quotation marks (aside from this context obviously)? It comes across pretty petty. People are allowed to vocalize their dislike for things and remain fans of the series.
This is almost my list but I'd put 1 > 3 on account of not much enjoying missions 14-19 in 3.
1 is antiquated but also strong for the reasons mentioned. A bit odd to see it be re-evaluated as a bad game recently tbh on this forum and elsewhere.
These threads are always a bit funny and they go awry because I feel there is a lot of minor trolling from both sides. When you have DMC fans talking about gameplay and you've got DmC fans talking about story, it's clear why there will always be argument because people's focuses are different.
I'm biased, because I like to...play...
my character action games to the highest level I can, so I prefer the depth of DMCs gameplay for that. So of course I don't want a reboot being made in place of it, especially when it initially came from a company where gameplay is hardly their forte. And please, nobody respond with "but the definitive edition", where Itsuno's team had to step in.
Next year will be a great year for me, Bayonetta 3 and Devil May Cry 5. Detroit was good, maybe some of you should get that.
I'm biased, because I like to...play...
my character action games to the highest level I can, so I prefer the depth of DMCs gameplay for that. So of course I don't want a reboot being made in place of it, especially when it initially came from a company where gameplay is hardly their forte. And please, nobody respond with "but the definitive edition", where Itsuno's team had to step in.
Next year will be a great year for me, Bayonetta 3 and Devil May Cry 5. Detroit was good, maybe some of you should get that.
Except you got that backwards. Itsuno and the Osaka team supervised the development of the original version. By the time DE was in the works, they were focused on 4SE and the changes/fixes made for DE was done by NT with Rahni Tucker leading it. And as far as I know, there is no evidence towards the contrary (If there is, by all means share it).