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xrnzaaas

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Oct 27, 2017
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And if they do relocate, how many people will refuse to relocate? Many brought a house or have family and don't want to move. If you are moving to another major city the cost of living is still going to be high. If you move to middle of nowhere how you will have a hard time recruiting. Plus, you would be paying hundreds of people the cost of relocating.
It doesn't have to happen on a single day, you can have a transition phase giving people time to move, to get new jobs if they want to stay and to find new workers. Not doing anything when you employed 300-400 people, generated huge costs and weren't making hugely profitable games for years wasn't a good idea.
 

rebelcrusader

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's kind of ghastly that nearly 300 people are out of jobs and the most important issue for many is the 10 dollars they lost
 

jwk94

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's kind of ghastly that nearly 300 people are out of jobs and the most important issue for many is the 10 dollars they lost
Why? People care about issues that directly effect them. The vast majority of people don't know telltale's staff; they're just a studio. So between losing money on an incomplete product versus caring about people they don't know, losing money means the most
 
Do we have any official word on TWD Season 4 finishing? I have people RT'ing on Twitter saying they're going to finish the season, and some saying that episode 2 is the end?

I have the game on my PS4 and on my NA account. No idea if Sony will offer a refund for it in this situation or at least $10?

I still haven't seen anything from Telltale after the release and now I'm just anxious on what to do. I don't want to go through another Half-Life 3 situation :(
 

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Sep 1, 2018
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Sure, we only had one THQ collapsed under licenced games. Why not add another one to the pile.
Difference is that Nordic is one of the best managed companies currently around.

Getting to curate a bunch of "classics" to make money into perpetuity, and saving a beloved series from the chopping block (or grave) would be a very Nordic thing to do as well.

Just should expect them to severely downsize TTG operations, which is the smart move here for any potential owner anyway. They would wrap up TWD S4 without charging existing owners again, potentially followed by TWAU2 at some later point when they're ready and it's clear the demand is still there.

They'd probably also port every last game from Telltale's library to every single platform that doesn't have it yet, before beginning on TWAU2 or even TWD S4. For the latter the obvious move would be to invite back the original writers and director to work together with a team of Nordic's own.

After all that, though, nothing new would be guaranteed.
 

newgamewhodis

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Oct 28, 2017
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Do we have any official word on TWD Season 4 finishing? I have people RT'ing on Twitter saying they're going to finish the season, and some saying that episode 2 is the end?

I have the game on my PS4 and on my NA account. No idea if Sony will offer a refund for it in this situation or at least $10?

I still haven't seen anything from Telltale after the release and now I'm just anxious on what to do. I don't want to go through another Half-Life 3 situation :(
I think the best hope right now is that some ex-Telltale employee leaks the scripts for episode 3 and 4. Otherwise, it'll join the pantheon of games that end on an unresolved cliffhanger.

For those that are surprised this is how the closure happened. I think the only real surprise is that, even with a company as big and renowned as Telltale, the employees aren't protected in any way. The NYC startup I worked for died in a very similar way, without severance and owing all of its employees up to $3000 each, but that's the startup world where such behavior is almost expected. The fact that this could happen to industry vets is pretty damning towards the management. Unionization can't happen soon enough.
 

The Dink

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Oct 28, 2017
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1. They wouldn't cancel the final season to the series that put them on the map, no way!

2. I can't believe they're cancelling the series! This is bullshit!

3. Maybe another studio could finish it?! Skybound just opened a game studio!

4. Episodes 3 and 4 are never coming... this is awful.

5. Episodes 3 and 4 are never coming.

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Lukar

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Oct 27, 2017
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I think the best hope right now is that some ex-Telltale employee leaks the scripts for episode 3 and 4. Otherwise, it'll join the pantheon of games that end on an unresolved cliffhanger.
I hope that it doesn't get leaked, at least not yet. If Telltale isn't able to finish the season - which seems to be the case - then Skybound could potentially work something out. I'd rather that happen than read the rest of the story in a fashion similar to Half-Life 2 Episode 3.
 

Sunbro83

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Oct 27, 2017
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Probably already been said but I wonder if their output on PS+/GWG/Humble harmed them in the long run. I personally grew hesitant to pay for any of their new stuff when history taught me that I'd probably get it for free in a year or so anyway
 
I think the best hope right now is that some ex-Telltale employee leaks the scripts for episode 3 and 4. Otherwise, it'll join the pantheon of games that end on an unresolved cliffhanger.

For those that are surprised this is how the closure happened. I think the only real surprise is that, even with a company as big and renowned as Telltale, the employees aren't protected in any way. The NYC startup I worked for died in a very similar way, without severance and owing all of its employees up to $3000 each, but that's the startup world where such behavior is almost expected. The fact that this could happen to industry vets is pretty damning towards the management. Unionization can't happen soon enough.

I am going through the subreddit for the game and so far there is a big divide. While I understand Clem's voice actor only recorded till episode 2, Now I am steadily losing hope. =\ The worst here is at least there was a game for me to play from beginning to end, but to axe something without finishing it is just insulting. consumers are part of your stakeholders and its your obligation to finish the product come hell or high-water.

I completely empathize for the lost jobs and all, but if the upper management knew things were going to be this bad, why go ahead with making the season? Why not release it as a comic or make the writing shorter? It's like releasing a novel and you have half the novel with the author promising to mail you the ending when he's done with it.

I was okay with plenty of games never getting sequels despite loving them so much, like Stubbs the Zombie, Beyond Good and Evil (yes I know it is getting one) and many others on the list, but this is the first time I have been in this boat and its appalling. =\
 

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Probably already been said but I wonder if their output on PS+/GWG/Humble harmed them in the long run. I personally grew hesitant to pay for any of their new stuff when history taught me that I'd probably get it for free in a year or so anyway
Yeah I was wondering that too actually
 

Lexad

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Nov 4, 2017
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I love that Ubi, Sony Bend, and Sony Santa Monica have put out offers. Always makes me happy to see the industry take care of itself.
 

Aadiboy

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Why would they have 400 employees in the first place? Naughty Dog only has like 200! How the hell did they think that they needed that many employees to make the games they make?
 
Aug 17, 2018
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Really sucks for all the employees , good job to all those fellow game companies trying to snap them up ASAP.

The thing about contract work is that you are not an actual company employee.

So what you get is high hourly wages, but none/little benefit packages.

It's up to the contract employee to budget their wages to cover benefits that a FT employee would get.

At my work, I'm a FT employee on salary, so I get all the usual company perks, but I know some people on contract make more than I do if we strictly compare my salary vs. his hourly wage prorated to a year. However, he doesn't get an annual bonus, company profit sharing bonus, or stock options. I think he does get healthcare coverage though. He probably is missing some perks FT workers get, so it's up to him to budget better than me. If he blows all his higher wage pay cheques, he'll be hurting if his contract doesn't get extended.

I'm not sure how the US works, but in Canada you get Unemployment Insurance payouts only if you pay into it. If these US worker contracts were done so that deductions aren't automatically done and it's up to the contract worker to contribute UI funds to the government (but they didn't because they wanted to bank everything) then you get no UI from the government. Maybe the US the same methodology.
 
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xrnzaaas

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Oct 27, 2017
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Probably already been said but I wonder if their output on PS+/GWG/Humble harmed them in the long run. I personally grew hesitant to pay for any of their new stuff when history taught me that I'd probably get it for free in a year or so anyway
They started appearing in PS+ and GWG at some point, probably when the studio's financials have gotten worse. It's always an idea to get quick cash, but yeah, it can be damaging if a lot of people discover that most games from the same studio end up being eventually offered "for free". Same goes with aggressive sales, why bother paying full amount when you can get it much cheaper before episode 2 or 3 comes out.
 

matimeo

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Oct 26, 2017
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Epic placed their studio in North Carolina I believe where the cost of living is at a decent level so that their employees don't have to live paycheck to paycheck. And they seem to be doing fine recruiting locally and internationally. SF is exorbitant compared to other places.

Epic is also in Seattle and you better believe they have a hard time convincing talent to move to North Carolina. I was not convinced.

Not too mention people have spouses who also need to be able to work, depending on what they do location is a big decision.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I'm not well-versed in the legalese. Is Telltale's interpretation of TWD still entirely Skybound's property? But yeah, that'd be preferable, even if that project would likely be a year or more down the road.

I can't see it taking more than a year to get a comic out. If the cogs start turning in the next couple of months, we could probably see a first issue(it's definitely not going to be a one shot)by the middle of next year.
 

adj_noun

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Oct 25, 2017
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Some tweets from one of the last people left before they turn out the lights:







I can't confirm anything and please remember I don't speak for Telltale, but through good fortune or sheer dumb luck I'm one of the remaining skeleton crew at the company. I've seen a lot of people unsure of what that means for the company and if we're staying open. We're not.

It's part of the press release Pete put out. We're seeing through an obligation. All I can say is that this is an impermanent solution and I'll be out a job soon, too. I also want to be clear that it is absolutely agonizing to feel like I'm riding something into the ground.

This isn't to selfishly request opportunities for myself because you should absolutely hire and network with the people who were immediately displaced, but to clarify my situation and also that Telltale is no more.
 

deepFlaw

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Oct 25, 2017
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Some tweets from one of the last people left before they turn out the lights:




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I can't confirm anything and please remember I don't speak for Telltale, but through good fortune or sheer dumb luck I'm one of the remaining skeleton crew at the company. I've seen a lot of people unsure of what that means for the company and if we're staying open. We're not.

It's part of the press release Pete put out. We're seeing through an obligation. All I can say is that this is an impermanent solution and I'll be out a job soon, too. I also want to be clear that it is absolutely agonizing to feel like I'm riding something into the ground.

This isn't to selfishly request opportunities for myself because you should absolutely hire and network with the people who were immediately displaced, but to clarify my situation and also that Telltale is no more.


Huh. This makes:



Even more confusing. Cause I didn't think that could really be the case, and it's bizarre for him to say it is.
 

funky

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Oct 25, 2017
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So... should people buy up copies of seasons they are interested in before they possibly get removed for sale?

I should probably get a copy of Wolf Among Us
 

stan423321

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Oct 25, 2017
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So... should people buy up copies of seasons they are interested in before they possibly get removed for sale?

I should probably get a copy of Wolf Among Us
I would also like an answer to that. TTG was never my jam but some of their stuff sounds kinda interesting, so getting it before a delisting would be considered.
 

InfiniteCats

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Oct 25, 2017
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So... should people buy up copies of seasons they are interested in before they possibly get removed for sale?

I should probably get a copy of Wolf Among Us
The games are literally the only assets worth anything in the remains of Telltale since they don't have any IP to sell. With that in mind I'd be surprised if they get removed for any significant period of time simply because continuing to sell the games is the only way of recovering any money.

With that said, yes you should get Wolf Among Us, it's a great game and I'm bummed we'll probably never get a sequel.
 

Twig

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Oct 25, 2017
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On the upside, maybe now someone else will have the guts to pick Sam & Max back up???

...who am i kidding ):
 

deepFlaw

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So... should people buy up copies of seasons they are interested in before they possibly get removed for sale?

I should probably get a copy of Wolf Among Us

I don't think anything will be delisted; as InfiniteCats said, the existing games are what has value, particularly with the vast majority of the staff gone. I'd think at worst it'd be a matter of who's selling them changing. Though I guess these all being based on other IPs could also complicate that, depending on how the licensing worked.

Regardless, given that the CEO is claiming the company is continuing overall - though that employee's tweets may show it's not really the case - I'm not sure even that would happen anytime soon.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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It's kind of ghastly that nearly 300 people are out of jobs and the most important issue for many is the 10 dollars they lost
This is only my first post in this thread and comment on the matter so I'm not trying to defend myself or anyone here but...

For this industry to want to keep providing season passes and gamers accepting and anticipating episodic content, it actually is a big deal for folks to worry about the content they're missing out on, regardless of the price tag.

This isn't a black and white situation. No one doesn't care about the job loss because they can't play their game. If anything, they're pissed about the situation because they can't play their game... the reason we're here and why they had jobs (to clarify, I mean game devs in general working to make games for gamers). So let's not go there.
 

kc44135

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Oct 25, 2017
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This is only my first post in this thread and comment on the matter so I'm not trying to defend myself or anyone here but...

For this industry to want to keep providing season passes and gamers accepting and anticipating episodic content, it actually is a big deal for folks to worry about the content they're missing out on, regardless of the price tag.

This isn't a black and white situation. No one doesn't care about the job loss because they can't play their game. If anything, they're pissed about the situation because they can't play their game... the reason we're here and why they had jobs (to clarify, I mean game devs in general working to make games for gamers). So let's not go there.
Well said. I'm sure everyone here feels for the TellTale employees, and I certainly wish them all the best. However, I do consider this a very important issue. As we push further towards the seemingly inevitable all-digital future, we need to know that these companies are prepared for such outcomes, especially in an industry where a single failure can sink a dev studio.

I'm not really worried about my $20. I'm worried about how Sony, MS, etc. will respond to such situations in the future. What if I have pre-ordered a $99 deluxe edition for a game on PSN, and the studio goes under before it's release? I should surely expect a refund in such a scenario, right? One would hope, but this is definitely a matter of some concern. If any specific company here doesn't choose to offer refunds in this situation, I know I'll be incredibly wary about pre-ordering things in the future from them.
 

matimeo

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Well said. I'm sure everyone here feels for the TellTale employees, and I certainly wish them all the best. However, I do consider this a very important issue. As we push further towards the seemingly inevitable all-digital future, we need to know that these companies are prepared for such outcomes, especially in an industry where a single failure can sink a dev studio.

I'm not really worried about my $20. I'm worried about how Sony, MS, etc. will respond to such situations in the future. What if I have pre-ordered a $99 deluxe edition for a game on PSN, and the studio goes under before it's release? I should surely expect a refund in such a scenario, right? One would hope, but this is definitely a matter of some concern. If any specific company here doesn't choose to offer refunds in this situation, I know I'll be incredibly wary about pre-ordering things in the future from them.

I don't think you can worry about how companies will respond. If they do fail they won't have resources to repay anyone anyway.

What you can do is control your actions and stop pre purchasing content that has not been released.

Consumers have real power to shape industry trends. Buy episodes as they come out and complain if companies don't give you that option.

If you are going to pay up front (which makes no sense to me as you are giving companies money they can hold and earn interest on while you get nothing ) then I would consider it more an investment and understand the risks behind any investment is you may not get what you expect fully in return.
 

Qudi

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TWD S1 is my canon ending. Now have 0 desire the play the rest of the game. I hope that one day will may see the rest of Clems story she deserves. I still cant believe that such a big studio is just poof...gone.
 

kc44135

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't think you can worry about how companies will respond. If they do fail they won't have resources to repay anyone anyway.

What you can do is control your actions and stop pre purchasing content that has not been released.

Consumers have real power to shape industry trends. Buy episodes as they come out and complain if companies don't give you that option.

If you are going to pay up front (which makes no sense to me as you are giving companies money they can hold and earn interest on while you get nothing ) then I would consider it more an investment and understand the risks behind any investment is you may not get what you expect fully in return.
Sorry, don't agree. If a service like PSN offers the ability to pre-purchase, and offer incentives to do so (in this case you got the entire series on top of the final season for your pre-order, so it absolutely seemed to be a good deal) then there should be some kind of guarantee in an instance like this. I don't believe I'm saying anything unreasonable here.
 

Lukar

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Oct 27, 2017
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Huh. This makes:



Even more confusing. Cause I didn't think that could really be the case, and it's bizarre for him to say it is.

I could be wrong, but it sounds more like PR speak to me than anything else.

The company is dead. Whether that means it's dead right now or dead in a few weeks, it's still dead. He's just trying to make things sound as positive as possible for what remains (for now) of Telltale.
 

newgamewhodis

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Please don't quote the CEO of the company - the person who helped oversee the firing of hundreds of people without severance or forewarning - and pretend that it's a reliable source.
 

newgamewhodis

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