Easy Allies |OT| The New Era

Lexad said:

I don't have a problem with jones going on a show with Colin. Can see an issue with him on eza content though

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Same here. But even if Jones went on his podcast I doubt Colin would ever get on EZA, even disregarding the political stuff their styles are just completely opposite.

edit: Just so I'm completely caught up with this situation, what's exactly being discussed here? Jones going on Colin's podcast, Colin coming on EZA, or both?

Nijhazer said:

I hear you, but there's no barrier around the EZA community, since EZA's content is public. Look on YouTube for any video involving Ian and you'll see the same people you're fearing. The EZA community can't shut them out-- all that we can do is drown them out by engaging in the discourse around EZA content. As members of the EZA community, and especially as Patrons, we have a responsibility to do that. Those who choose to react to whatever EZA does by removing their pledge and saying nothing?; that's their right, but they're removing their voice in the process.

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Obviously people already say shitty things to some of the allies. Do you really think it would be a good idea to encourage more people who think like that to come checkout what easy allies has to offer. You take the good with the bad when it comes to any community but I don't see how engaging with a community that is much more comfortable with being terrible people is going to do anything but make things worse. The community message of love and respect should grow stronger as time passes not be diluted. If anything I think the allies should be more aggressive against the YouTube commenters.

Yonafunu said:

Same here. But even if Jones went on his podcast I doubt Colin would ever get on EZA, even disregarding the political stuff their styles are just completely opposite.

edit: Just so I'm completely caught up with this situation, what's exactly being discussed here? Jones going on Colin's podcast, Colin coming on EZA, or both?

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It's a mix of both. The tone, language, toxicity etc. around that discussion is what's getting out of hand now (like the comment section for the Cup of Jones post).

ShadyK54 said:

It's a mix of both. The tone, language, toxicity etc. around that discussion is what's getting out of hand now (like the comment section for the Cup of Jones post).

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What started it? I gather Jones said something on Cup of Jones, what did he say exactly?

klastical said:

Obviously people already say shitty things to some of the allies. Do you really think it would be a good idea to encourage more people who think like that to come checkout what easy allies has to offer. You take the good with the bad when it comes to any community but I don't see how engaging with a community that is much more comfortable with being terrible people is going to do anything but make things worse. The community message of love and respect should grow stronger as time passes not be diluted. If anything I think the allies should be more aggressive against the YouTube commenters.

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You're right; they should be. So should we. So should everyone. Nothing positive comes of refusal to communicate.

I hear what you're saying, but keep in mind that I'm not advocating for Jones going on some asshole's podcast. What I'm saying is that we won't accomplish anything by telling him that he'd better not even think about doing it or else we'll pull our funding, etc.

I posted my thoughts..again about Colin on patreon just to let it be known. He's on the short list of no..never when it comes to collaborations. Especially on EZA hosted content. And I really don't see Jones doing anything with him. The backlash would be far greater than any potential gain and he's gotten enough feedback to see that.

KF? Noclip? Giantbomb? Andrea? Yea let's do it. But not Colin. I appreciate that Colin gave Jones a solid before EZA started but he's had way way way too many public non remorseful blunders after that that fly in the face of the EZA crew attitudes and community they try to promote.

Yonafunu said:

What started it? I gather Jones said something on Cup of Jones, what did he say exactly?

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Jones did an editorial about working with people like Colin. It was pretty long so I don't know how easy it'd be to summarize, I'd recommend listening to it. He ended it by asking people what they thought, that's where our conversation comes from. Someone then asked Colin on Twitter if he'd be interested in having Brandon on and Colin said yes and invited Jones on one of his podcasts, which Jones said yes to. So Jones will go on Colin's Last Stand but there hasn't been any invitation to Colin coming on EZA which is what a lot of people were worried about.

TheDarkKnight said:

I posted my thoughts..again about Colin on patreon just to let it be known. He's on the short list of no..never when it comes to collaborations. Especially on EZA hosted content. And I really don't see Jones doing anything with him. The backlash would be far greater than any potential gain and he's gotten enough feedback to see that.

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Again, Jones already publicly agreed to do go on his show, so it's likely happening. If there is a huge backlash about Jones going on Colin's stuff, I'm going to be pretty disappointed. Jones can do what he wants and shouldn't have to answer to us.

thecowboypoet said:

Again, Jones already publicly agreed to do go on his show, so it's likely happening. If there is a huge backlash about Jones going on Colin's stuff, I'm going to be pretty disappointed. Jones can do what he wants and shouldn't have to answer to us.

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And then you see his responses after it. I don't see that happening. There's plenty of "we should do this" chatter thrown around that never materializes. I've heard many times of Tim Getty's and the EZA getting together that doesn't happen. I easily could see jones just backing away from this hot stove

Also The patreon posts for cup of jones reads real strange now that that one poster cancelled his patron and I guess it took all his comments with him.

ZeoVGM said:

I'll be as blunt as I can here: Colin is a racist and a sexist. The boys have every right to do what they want but I'll personally be very disappointed if anyone gives him the time of day at all. He is a bad person.

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Yeah same here.

Maximo said:

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Edit: Double post.

It's a shame to see Colin fracture the community like this, especially after the shite thrown at Ian this week.

Maximo said:

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Yikes. I saw that tweet when it happened but you forget how bad it is. Again, I won't give Brandon a hard time if he does go on Colin's show, an appearance is not an endorsement, but here's hoping he doesn't.

Oh God no, just checked Twitter and read up on what's been going on. Hard pass on anything Collin related.

In good news, podcast should be up soon!

JayC3 said:

Jones alluded to a possible collab with Colin and asked for feedback. Then, many people spoke out against Colin on Patreon and provided reasons for their objections. In response, pro-Colin people started responding. One guy in particular started posting harassing comments, responding with strawmen, before being exposed as a troll and leaving the EZA patreon.

I found most people were anti-Colin though, so that's encouraging.

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thecowboypoet said:

Jones did an editorial about working with people like Colin. It was pretty long so I don't know how easy it'd be to summarize, I'd recommend listening to it. He ended it by asking people what they thought, that's where our conversation comes from. Someone then asked Colin on Twitter if he'd be interested in having Brandon on and Colin said yes and invited Jones on one of his podcasts, which Jones said yes to. So Jones will go on Colin's Last Stand but there hasn't been any invitation to Colin coming on EZA which is what a lot of people were worried about.

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Thanks both of you for explaining.

thecowboypoet said:

Yikes. I saw that tweet when it happened but you forget how bad it is. Again, I won't give Brandon a hard time if he does go on Colin's show, an appearance is not an endorsement, but here's hoping he doesn't.

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He replied on Reddit regarding those tweets and actually pulled the "I have Asian friends" card as a response to the criticism. :|

Yeah, if there was any doubt about Colin, it should be gone by now.

BTW, are any allies around here on ERA? I saw that both bloodworth and ben were decreasing activity in the old forum, but I don't know if they are around here now.

Wiibomb said:

BTW, are any allies around here on ERA? I saw that both bloodworth and ben were decreasing activity in the old forum, but I don't know if they are around here now.

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Bloodworth, Brad and Damiani are around. Blood posts the most here, I would say. Damiani popped in for the first time yesterday.

And Kyle is atleast lurking.

Ah, no Ben here? Not to be pushy about it or anything. I just always appreciated his presence in the old thread.

TheDarkKnight said:

Also The patreon posts for cup of jones reads real strange now that that one poster cancelled his patron and I guess it took all his comments with him.

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That person was calling people a "bitch" so I'm guessing that they were strongly asked to leave.

Toon Link said:

Bloodworth, Brad and Damiani are around. Blood posts the most here, I would say. Damiani popped in for the first time yesterday.

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thanks for the reply, it's nice to know they are around.

Nakenorm said:

And Kyle is atleast lurking.

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Kyle is always lurking.

Joqu said:

Ah, no Ben here? Not to be pushy about it or anything. I just always appreciated his presence in the old thread.

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I miss Ben in this thread already.

klastical said:

That person was calling people a "bitch" so I'm guessing that they were strongly asked to leave.

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To clarify he was previously being patronizing to someone on feminism to defend Colin infamous tweet while at the same time writing on the formerly official EZA discord "I'm going to hard troll this bitch". Basically totally disingenuous not that I'm surprised given that this is something I experienced with a lot of Colin fans.

thecowboypoet said:

Yikes. I saw that tweet when it happened but you forget how bad it is. Again, I won't give Brandon a hard time if he does go on Colin's show, an appearance is not an endorsement, but here's hoping he doesn't.

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Yeah its not something that was misquoted, its not a secret recording of him at a party/friends house and its not a slip of the tongue, he had to think of what he wanted to say, type it out, and before tweeting think that *Yes that is ok"

The DDR Mario Mix stream is one for the books.

Also, Colin sucks. He's made it incredibly evident that he's a total scumbag based on that tweet and several others.

Holundrian said:

To clarify he was previously being patronizing to someone on feminism to defend Colin infamous tweet while at the same time writing on the formerly official EZA discord "I'm going to hard troll this bitch". Basically totally disingenuous not that I'm surprised given that this is something I experienced with a lot of Colin fans.

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Which one is that?

I don't have a problem with Colin going on EZA or Jones going on Colins stuff. I enjoy Colins video content even if i don't neccessarly agree with shit he spews on twitter.

Holundrian said:

To clarify he was previously being patronizing to someone on feminism to defend Colin infamous tweet while at the same time writing on the formerly official EZA discord "I'm going to hard troll this bitch". Basically totally disingenuous not that I'm surprised given that this is something I experienced with a lot of Colin fans.

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He also said "yeah I would label anyone who says there mind can't be changed, and slanders someone with the poor amount of evidence provided here as a bitch."

I don't have a screenshot of the comment it was in reference to so I can't provide more context beyond what you've already did. Thank you for the context you've provided as well. I misunderstood and thought that he had directly called someone that name. I feel slightly knowing that at least.

i think colin has some interesting insights on stuff from time to time. i havent followed him from kinda funny and actually think kinda funny is a lot better now that he has split off. i'd personally be interested to hear him chat with jones about videogames. BUT if the majority of people dont like him and dont want him on the eza podcast i can appreciate that given he's a super polarising figure. its probably for the best not to have him on the show in the chance he antagonises some people.

Finally got around to actually beating Breath of the Wild the other day and watched the spoiler talk for it, what a game, easily my 2017 GotY.
Also went back and watched their reaction to the BotW trailer at the end of the switch presentation, I think that's easily in the top 10 trailers ever made, good lord. Goosebumps!

ZeoVGM said:

I'll be as blunt as I can here: Colin is a racist and a sexist. The boys have every right to do what they want but I'll personally be very disappointed if anyone gives him the time of day at all. He is a bad person.

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Couldn't of put it better myself.

i dont think labelling someone like colin as a racist or sexist is particularly helpful. youre making those terms seem like empty pejoratives. you dont like him. fine. but the dude isnt a racist ffs. you're putting a lot of people offside with shit like that.

I hate to say it but CWR was a good show, I think he's an asshole but I'm not going to be upset at Brandon over this.

trinity said:

i dont think labelling someone like colin as a racist or sexist is particularly helpful. youre making those terms seem like empty pejoratives. you dont like him. fine. but the dude isnt a racist ffs. you're putting a lot of people offside with shit like that.

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This is nonsense. People have proof of this behavior and you are not fooling anyone here.

fooling anyone? i dont even understand what youre implying here. are you saying i have some sort of racist/sexist agenda? wtf man.

Uno Venova said:

I hate to say it but CWR was a good show, I think he's an asshole but I'm not going to be upset at Brandon over this.

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I funny enough enjoyed CWR, just not everything else.

trinity said:

i dont think labelling someone like colin as a racist or sexist is particularly helpful. youre making those terms seem like empty pejoratives. you dont like him. fine. but the dude isnt a racist ffs. you're putting a lot of people offside with shit like that.

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So he's only a mini sexist/racist and should therefore be cut some slack? Nah.

Negator said:

This is nonsense. People have proof of this behavior and you are not fooling anyone here.

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Let's cool down here.

trinity said:

i dont think labelling someone like colin as a racist or sexist is particularly helpful. youre making those terms seem like empty pejoratives. you dont like him. fine. but the dude isnt a racist ffs. you're putting a lot of people offside with shit like that.

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I think when people label him as a racist and sexist it comes from a place of him being unapologetic in perpetuating as a public figure a lot of the garbage marginalized people have to deal with in their real life. Stuff like the model minority myth and adding to the pile of shitty jokes of woman stereotypes just ain't helpful and trying to progress towards a society where people don't get piled on. I think it's always easy to say that joke wasn't that bad etc when you haven't lived a life where experiences like that follow you around. But hey I guess asking for some empathy I guess is too much.https://twitter.com/notaxation/status/839545641785159680?lang=en
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As for the people taking affront to the racist label I think it's cause people associate mostly hateful killer monsters that want to eradicate other ethnicity as racists. But the thing from experience racism doesn't just have this most extreme form. It's a spectrum. Do I think everyone that asked me to do kung fu out of nowhere or went up to my face and went "ching chong chang" is some monster? No. Do I think that shit is racist? Yes pretty much.

IDreamOfHime said:

It's a shame to see Colin fracture the community like this, especially after the shite thrown at Ian this week.

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What happened to Ian?

Damn, you might as well call this Keeping up the EZA's because I'm out of the loop.

Oh dear I'm in a twitter pissing match with Colin rofl

I hope Ian won't care about this, since nothing even remotely weird was said during the podcast. But I'm not gonna read those YouTube comments, I already know how it feels.
And regarding Moriarty, I don't even think Brandon would be a good fit for his style, let alone the other way, so.. Why? I'd rather see the guys interact more with anyone else (GB, O'Dwyer, Sterling, KF..).

Nakenorm said:

And Kyle is atleast lurking.

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Kyle is the type of guy to go on restera every morning and read everything and then act like it ain't happening.

Hi Kyle love your work

Dmax3901 said:

Oh dear I'm in a twitter pissing match with Colin rofl

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Yeah, some of his followers are engaging with people that have responded to Brandon's tweet. I haven't seen much bullying coming out of that so far; just make sure you're not interpreting any such engagement as bullying and you should be OK. Emotions can run high on Twitter, as it's historically been a prominent venue for bullying, and it's therefore easy to read any new mentions in that light.

trinity said:

i dont think labelling someone like colin as a racist or sexist is particularly helpful. youre making those terms seem like empty pejoratives. you dont like him. fine. but the dude isnt a racist ffs. you're putting a lot of people offside with shit like that.

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He's absolutely a racist. He's someone who thinks he does more for minorities than minorities themselves because he put out a racist video. Like holy shit, that's so mind bogglingly stupid that I'm still shocked he tried to pull that line of thought off.

Dude doesn't hide his racist BS and we don't need to pretend like he does.

Lexad said:

I don't have a problem with jones going on a show with Colin. Can see an issue with him on eza content though, even though I would find a lot of interest in it.

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While I don't have any interest in him coming on EZA stuff, I don't mind them going to other channels.

I am also not convinced that all people watching Colin are "bad" people and shouldn't come to the EZA community (although I am sure I don't want most of them in this community).
Imo you can watch people talk about games or even politics although you don't agree with them. I have watched some youtube video's from Varg Vikerness from the black metal band Burzum which most of the time are completely against what I believe in politically. I have quit videos before which I found completely over the top.
That doesn't make myself a racist or whatever by watching some of his video's (although he certainly is/was one and he is a convicted killer to boot), I don't agree with almost everything he's saying in most of his video's (the political ones for sure), but I think it is important to be able to listen to all sides although you don't agree with them (it depends of course on how they explain their ideas). It is important to know the ideas of your "enemies" and understand how they think, right?

That said, I don't think it is a good idea to have Colin colab with EZA on the EZA channel. I didn't really like the KF guys when I saw them a couple of times and for the few times I have seen some of Colin's tweets pop up on some other websites, I didn't really feel the need to watch any of his stuff. If you see how many people are against it, it would be insane to get him on (I also don't think he is interested in doing so).

But I am not looking any differently at Brandon for wanting to go on Colin's show. It's the same thing here imo. I try to be open minded about what other people think. People are different and even if I totally don't agree with them, as long as they don't hurt other people, I am not sure if I have the right to "convict" them about it.

Holundrian said:

Let's cool down here.

I think when people label him as a racist and sexist it comes from a place of him being unapologetic in perpetuating as a public figure a lot of the garbage marginalized people have to deal with in their real life. Stuff like the model minority myth and adding to the pile of shitty jokes of woman stereotypes just ain't helpful and trying to progress towards a society where people don't get piled on. I think it's always easy to say that joke wasn't that bad etc when you haven't lived a life where experiences like that follow you around. But hey I guess asking for some empathy I guess is too much.https://twitter.com/notaxation/status/839545641785159680?lang=en
As for the people taking affront to the racist label I think it's cause people associate mostly hateful killer monsters that want to eradicate other ethnicity as racists. But the thing from experience racism doesn't just have this most extreme form. It's a spectrum. Do I think everyone that asked me to do kung fu out of nowhere or went up to my face and went "ching chong chang" is some monster? No. Do I think that shit is racist? Yes pretty much.

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i appreciate your points. but if you set the bar so low that anybody on the spectrum is labelled as a 'racist' you are accomplishing nothing imo. is someone making a white supremacy argument a racist? is someone making a model minority argument a racist? like, what are fucking doing here? are we just going to stop listening and talking to people we disagree with?

I actually like Colin's opinions on games. I must be a monster.

My only opinion is that most of the things happening right now from this ain't worth it.