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UK charts: Slow start for Tomb Raider as Spider-Man reigns supreme
- Thread starter Loudninja
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Who even are you?!
My sales insider source said Spiderman will sell next to nothing because he counted the explosions from a trailer!Probably insomniac bought all the copies to fake the numbers!
Tomb Raider obviously sold 3000% Digital because people couldn't wait to play it and didn't want to take the chance that their shop already sold all the physical copies!
/s
Its still weird people trying to spin that the exclusive Deal for the last game didn't have a negative impact something everyone back then could have predicted.
So why is Spidey outperforming Batman Arkham Knight? Why did the latter Activision games do so poorly?
Oh that's right; because you don't actually want to discuss this - you're more concerned with hand-waving Spider-Man's success.
In what dream I was laughing ? I asked at one user what was thinking about Spiderman and TR sales in the long run ...not even first month sales (but was a legit question ....not a joke)
I don't particularly disagree with you on those points about her personality, she was a strong-willed woman for sure and I don't like the new Lara's personality either. But you can't separate that from her design and treatment in the games, and it taints what could be a much better character.
Hopefully, moving forward, now that the origin story is done, future Tomb Raider games can feature a Lara that closely resembles the old one in personality.
Yeah, Avengers became Square's priority. Too big of an IP not to. Plus, I think they're trying to be more efficient with budget, so Tomb Raider was a better fit for Canada instead of Redwood City. I was a bit worried at first, but clearly they did a great job.
Oh were you joking? My bad, hard to know on these forums at times.
I agree with you on her looks.
The one thing I can give the new Lara points on is her less sexualized looks which is why I am deeply disappointed in everything else.
Oh yeah. I can't wait to play it. I'm sure they did great. I'm just Crystal Dynamics didn't stick with their own series. Could you imagine if Uncharted 3 was made by a different dev.
Yes, it was funny because just after asking that question I saw the thread on GTA V's fifth anniversary, and then I thought: "well, nothing's going to beat THAT".
Anyway, I still remain expectant. For an exclusive game, numbers aim to be impressive.
Hi Benji, how did you think DQXI will perform in the US? The UK numbers aren't really good...
No it's a regular game. It has 2 new levels that will ship as DLC later on but all 6 are on disc at once.
Thank god. Never being a fan of episode like the previous.
Thanks for sharing your insights. You don't have to tell us exact details, but do you feel this momentum will carry into the holiday season as Sony will no doubt have a Spiderman bundle?
Apparently Crystal provided guidance, but it's been said that this is an Eidos Montreal title at its core. Maybe they didn't have a choice either, it's Square Enix calling the shots here, most likely. Frankly, maybe it was for the best. Despite the usual issues with the reboot games still being present in Shadow, I think the liberties Eidos took were very much welcome.
These threads are really weird when you ignore most of the shit posters :P.
That's awesome to hear. I won't get it anytime soon but I have a feeling this will be a great game to get on sale in 2019.
Well, curious example, given that it was made by a different Naughty Dog team than U2 and TLOU (but with the same director as in 1 and 2)
Since some of you are saying that these numbers are meaningless without digital. It's not as if we don't have the industry average for digital ratio - something like Tomb Raider is not going to be an outlier, given that it doesn't have a major MP or co-op component. If we peg it at 15% ( 2013 ), 25% ( 2015 ) and 50% ( 2018 ) respectively -
This is how the sales look like:
It's not that flattering of a picture. At best, you could say that it managed to hold onto ROTR's sales at a per platform perspective, but it's definitely a decline from how TR2013 performed, and considering factors like install base growth now vs 2015, and other factors, the IP has stagnated.
This is how the sales look like:
It's not that flattering of a picture. At best, you could say that it managed to hold onto ROTR's sales at a per platform perspective, but it's definitely a decline from how TR2013 performed, and considering factors like install base growth now vs 2015, and other factors, the IP has stagnated.
Since some of you are saying that these numbers are meaningless without digital. It's not as if we don't have the industry average for digital ratio - something like Tomb Raider is not going to be an outlier, given that it doesn't have a major MP or co-op component. If we peg it at 15% ( 2013 ), 25% ( 2015 ) and 50% ( 2018 ) respectively -
This is how the sales look like:
It's not that flattering of a picture. At best, you could say that it managed to hold onto ROTR's sales at a per platform perspective, but it's definitely a decline from how TR2013 performed, and considering factors like install base growth now vs 2015, and other factors, the IP has stagnated.
Yep at the price these games taking to make having the IP stagnate and low ASP not good.
Well, of course TR1 was 'planned' until it was deemed to be unworkable on n64 and a pain in the arse to develop TR2 for Saturn which was already dying on its arse. TR1 becoming a phenomenon on PS1 3 months after it was released on Saturn sealed it.
There's plenty of scans from that time to go back and have a look. I remember C&VG (and many others, I devoured pretty much every videogame magazine at that time) having a feature on why they weren't coming, and it wasn't the Sony money hat
At this point who doesn't believe your info? Everything you have said has been on point often prior to any official release.
End of "origin story" trilogy.
New ones ( the current plan ) will continue her story, but will be a new saga/chapter in her life. Like how Halo 4 continued the story of Master Chief even though the trilogy of Halo 1-3 ended.
There is a big difference between an internal studio and an external one. You do make a good point but I think in this case there is a big gap between a second team at Naughty Dog vs a completely different studio.
I think this is the end of the 2013 triology. Nothing about sales, but this could or will impact the future of the franchise.
So, the next if will happen, not gonna have any boat from the 2013, Rise and Shadow, so could be a new reboot (reboot of a reboot) or a back to the root.
Well I know I'm certainly waiting on TR coming to GP tbh. I'll pick it up one way or another eventually as I've enjoyed the other 2 but full price and against Spidey and DQ and VC and RDR and... well you get the point. Too much out at the same time and the games I really want take presidence over game I kind of want.
Don't you work on the States? Scary that you're predicting stuff correctly over EU :p Maybe the markets are very alike.
I don't think this had anything to do with the 1 year exclusivity of the second game. There's been plenty of time to play the PS4 version. I for one, would pick Spidey over Tomb Raider any day of the week. Plain and simple.
UK and US markets are very similar. They each have their own things that make them unique of course but by and large if one thing is true in the US gaming market it's true of the UK market and vice versa
Notable exceptions? I'm thinking games like Madden, but curious if you've noticed anything less obvious. :)
The vast majority of physical buyers are casual gamers or people who trade games in. Or those people who purchase collectors editions.
Most gamers will only buy a few games a year and it only a few weeks till people's perfered franchises. Tomb Raider isn't relevant anymore to younger gamers. I was considering buying a PS4 but only for the exclusive titles and bet a few other people are similar. Especially if you enjoy single player games.
When I was working in a independent games store 20 years ago, the vast majority of people traded games in, apart from certain titles and I would of thought it would be similar today, unless you know a game will last you for ages. Out of interest what would swapping Spider-Man for Tomb Raider cost these days in the UK or other fairly recent games?
Most gamers will only buy a few games a year and it only a few weeks till people's perfered franchises. Tomb Raider isn't relevant anymore to younger gamers. I was considering buying a PS4 but only for the exclusive titles and bet a few other people are similar. Especially if you enjoy single player games.
When I was working in a independent games store 20 years ago, the vast majority of people traded games in, apart from certain titles and I would of thought it would be similar today, unless you know a game will last you for ages. Out of interest what would swapping Spider-Man for Tomb Raider cost these days in the UK or other fairly recent games?
This the 3rd game in a row for eidos that released to little or worse fanfare. Not looking good
Every once in a while theres a random fluke. SIEGE for example launched pretty soft in the UK while doing around 1 million opening NPD in the US with digital
But yeah it's rare to see a difference like that. Usually the 2 markets are about as similar as 2 different countries could be
i don't know how they can. not without effectively pretending the origin trilogy didn't happen (ie. full reboot). people don't go from hardened damaged rambo killers and suddenly turn into plucky sarcastic adventurers. it would be like uncharted 1-3 being super serious, super violent murder sims and then uncharted 4 being the drake we know, it wouldn't work. at the very least they'd need another load of games to show that transitional character change, but that sounds like a bad idea to me and wouldn't have much of a payoff.
her character should have swayed more towards the classic personality after the first game, potentially with a time jump to allow for her to be more seasoned as an adventurer and someone who has learned to love what she does after the events she endured in the first game. instead they just double downed on the direction they were going, and this third game has done it again. these 3 games have essentially locked in her character now. i don't see how square enix can make her likable while keeping this trilogy canon?
I for one like the new Lara best, more realistic.
I also liked Rise less than the 2013 one.
I bought Shadow because I wasn't planning on getting Spiderman, supers are not my thing...but I got a great deal and I said why not.
Spiderman turned out much better than I thought it would be though, so I still have to take Shadow out of the box lol
PS1 Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2 sold REALLY WELL back in the day.
Spider-Man was the 46th best selling game on the PS1 and shifted 1.8m copies.
That is not including the game boy version. It was so popular that it was later ported to the N64/Dreamcast and Windows.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_PlayStation_video_games
Spider-Man 2 around the time when lisenced game had become synonymous with trash? It and least sold MILLIONS of copies
In the United States, the game's Game Boy Advance version alone sold 600,000 copies and earned $17 million by August 2006. During the period between January 2000 and August 2006, it was the 47th highest-selling game launched for the Game Boy Advance, Nintendo DS or PlayStation Portable in that country.[77] The game's PlayStation 2 version received a "Platinum" sales award from the Entertainment and Leisure Software Publishers Association (ELSPA),[78]indicating sales of at least 300,000 copies in the United Kingdom.[79]
In TR case, Eidos was already involved in the game since the first one and the series game director move to Eidos to work in Shadow.
Woah, when did it get to 50%? Can I get a source?Since some of you are saying that these numbers are meaningless without digital. It's not as if we don't have the industry average for digital ratio - something like Tomb Raider is not going to be an outlier, given that it doesn't have a major MP or co-op component. If we peg it at 15% ( 2013 ), 25% ( 2015 ) and 50% ( 2018 ) respectively -
This is how the sales look like:
It's not that flattering of a picture. At best, you could say that it managed to hold onto ROTR's sales at a per platform perspective, but it's definitely a decline from how TR2013 performed, and considering factors like install base growth now vs 2015, and other factors, the IP has stagnated.
There are probably many different factors involved in the stagnation of the series, and of course the previous exclusivity deal is a part of that, but I have a feeling that this is more related to the games themselves. I loved the reboot and Rise from a gameplay standpoint (as in, the games are fun to play), but Lara herself is miserable. I have talked to some friends of mine who love the franchise, and while they jumped in right away when Rise was released on PC/PS4, this time around they're all saying they will probably wait, because the premise sounds like everything they disliked about Lara in the previous games amplified to a whole new level.
You need some humor, some heart to break the tension. Uncharted does this very well, even The Last of Us has sillier moments. This Lara, though, feels so miserable. Whenever she stops at a campfire, she lets you know how bad she feels. There is no humor, no break. She is either complaining or killing.
The old portrayal of the character was oversexualized, and this depiction is way better in that regard. But she was also much more compelling as a character, and funnier too.
You need some humor, some heart to break the tension. Uncharted does this very well, even The Last of Us has sillier moments. This Lara, though, feels so miserable. Whenever she stops at a campfire, she lets you know how bad she feels. There is no humor, no break. She is either complaining or killing.
The old portrayal of the character was oversexualized, and this depiction is way better in that regard. But she was also much more compelling as a character, and funnier too.