9 will do fine. People want to see how this ends and it will have been some time since the last Star Wars to actually build some anticipation.
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Seriously, why did Han Solo bomb at the bx office and POLL will Episode 9 suffer the same fate?
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I enjoyed Han Solo a lot, no idea why it bombed so hard. I think the trailers were poor. Maybe there is that.
Bingo. The Kessel Run was a throwaway line to explain how fast the Falcon is, and to show Han is arrogant enough to think everyone in the galaxy has heard of it. I don't care enough to actually watch a movie on that, especially when there is an entire galaxy to explore.
I mean, for all that VIII 'deconstructs', it ends fairly similar to how Empire did.
Heroes are down on their luck, one of the big heroes from the just bit it (albeit Luke being more likely dead here, unlike Han in carbonite) and the rebellion is at a low point, but there's still a fighting chance.
Any big potential 'surprise' is going to be if Rey pulls a(nother) redeem attempt off on Kylo, but even that's been done with Vader - the other potential 'twist' will be what ends up happening with 'the Jedi'.
(That is, unless JJ decides to pull something out of his ass a la retconning Johnson's explanation of Rey's being a nobody back into her being a skywalker, but I'd say the odds against that happening are pretty good)
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Given I replied and discussed the audience score af length I'm not ignoring it at all.
Also what's the difference between arguing and civil conversation? I'm not calling anybody names here.
I think if Solo did well, some people would indeed make the argument that it's because audiences didn't like TLJ and they'll do it if even a modestly successful IX is less edgy.
First post nails it.
People loved TLJ, they'll come back to see the end of the story (no matter how badly JJ fucks it up) in droves. Solo was a movie nobody cared about starring a character who only works as part of an ensemble, covering part of his life no one asked about.
Ironically Solo skips over the part of Han's life that would have made an actually interesting origin movie, his time in the Imperial military.
Some people treat these cinematic universes like a linear track. So you get thinking like "Black Panther and Infinity War did amazing, therefore Ant-Man and Wasp will hit a billion!" which doesn't really hold true. The average person going to see these movies aren't basing their choices off that. When you take a step back, Solo only shared the universe of Star Wars. None of the actors, none of the newer characters, not a continuing story or anything like that.
Not every post in this thread is about TLJ, and yet every post you've made in this thread - which again, is supposed to be about Solo under-performing - has been about TLJ, and how you and your friends didn't enjoy it.
people hating tlj and liking solo is hands down the worst thing about this forum. you probably eat vomit for dinner and say, "mmmmm good!"
LOL.I guess OP did some rigorous polling. Case closed.
No one wanted to see Solo because Harrison Ford is Han Solo. People don't care about anyone else playing the character. Episode 9 will do fine.
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All of which is in my OT. This thread is about what I made the OT about, but thanks for your input.
Oh boy, let's go through the reasons:
You don't recast a role as iconic as Han Solo. You just don't. That should be common sense. Ford is too old and doesn't want to play Han anymore? Sucks, make different movies.
Releasing a Star Wars movie 6 months after the previous (very divisive) entry isn't going to fly. Star Wars isn't Marvel, and you can't turn it into Marvel.
Spending $300m+ on a Star Wars spinoff is bananas.
The trailers mostly sucked, I know this is subjective, but I thought every piece of marketing was really lame.
The reviews weren't good enough to get people excited for a film that nobody was really all that excited for in the first place.
Release date was awful, too much competition from other big blockbuster movies.
You don't recast a role as iconic as Han Solo. You just don't. That should be common sense. Ford is too old and doesn't want to play Han anymore? Sucks, make different movies.
Releasing a Star Wars movie 6 months after the previous (very divisive) entry isn't going to fly. Star Wars isn't Marvel, and you can't turn it into Marvel.
Spending $300m+ on a Star Wars spinoff is bananas.
The trailers mostly sucked, I know this is subjective, but I thought every piece of marketing was really lame.
The reviews weren't good enough to get people excited for a film that nobody was really all that excited for in the first place.
Release date was awful, too much competition from other big blockbuster movies.
A) I didn't crop it out, I didn't crop it in. Because
B) the same fan base that sees fit to harass actresses off of twitter doesn't deserve a voice in a discussion.
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Im basing that on rotten tomatoes audience score and again my group of friends. I've been clear on that.
That's funny. I haven't seen Solo but The Rock did a movie called Hercules and instead of making it about the Labors (which could have been awesome) they turned that into a montage and instead told a derivative af story.
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Anybody that didn't like the movie harassed an actress off of Twitter? That's quiet a leap.
The main episodic movies still do very well, no reason to suspect it won't at least as well as TLJ, maybe a bit less overtime if word of mouth continues to be down... even haters won't be able to resist
It came out 5 months after The Last Jedi. Star Wars fans hated The Last Jedi and was not ready to get back to liking Star Wars as a franchise.
9 will be just fine.
9 will be just fine.
Solo was
1. Unwarranted
2. Mediocre
That's why.
Episode 9 will most likely be a much better film serving as a final chapter to a trilogy a lot of people are already invested in. Pretty sure it'll be fine.
1. Unwarranted
2. Mediocre
That's why.
Episode 9 will most likely be a much better film serving as a final chapter to a trilogy a lot of people are already invested in. Pretty sure it'll be fine.
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All of which is in my OP! This thread is not just about Solo underperforming... who made you a mod?
yup that's exactly what I said, enjoy having a good faith discussion.
poster said TLJ was fuck awful. I provided him the critical consensus that is 91%. Posting the user score would've still only made it divisive, which just as well would've proved my point.
The Star Wars trilogy box office pattern:
The first movie breaks records, with absolutely insane grosses.
The second movie does well, but not as well as the first movie.
The third out grosses the second, but can't match the bonkers numbers of the first.
This has already happened with the past two trilogies and it's set up perfectly to happen again.
The first movie breaks records, with absolutely insane grosses.
The second movie does well, but not as well as the first movie.
The third out grosses the second, but can't match the bonkers numbers of the first.
This has already happened with the past two trilogies and it's set up perfectly to happen again.
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Solo is a film that would've appealed mostly to hardcore fans whose enthusiasm and word of mouth would help spread the word and drum up interest and hype.
I think TLJ left such a bad taste in people's mouth the hardcore was just to divided on it.
I think IX will do better though, Abrams is directing it. I don't think it'll outgross TFA.
I think TLJ left such a bad taste in people's mouth the hardcore was just to divided on it.
I think IX will do better though, Abrams is directing it. I don't think it'll outgross TFA.
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I have so many friends and family that are into Star Wars. Absolutely none of them saw Solo. Even after I told them it was solid enough. None of them were against the movie either. Just total apathy.
Solo came out at a bad time (surrounded by other Disney movies) with little advertising and it's not a mainline film. It was never gonna do as good as the others.
9 will be huge. Just like 8 was. A vocal minority hating 8 won't mean shit cause they're all gonna still go see it. Shit apparently their hate of the movie didn't even stop them from buying the 4K Blu-ray of it.
Solos performance is not invicitive of some "Disney killed Star Wars" bullshit. It really did have everything against it but it's really convenient for those ridiculous arguments so here we are.
9 will be huge. Just like 8 was. A vocal minority hating 8 won't mean shit cause they're all gonna still go see it. Shit apparently their hate of the movie didn't even stop them from buying the 4K Blu-ray of it.
Solos performance is not invicitive of some "Disney killed Star Wars" bullshit. It really did have everything against it but it's really convenient for those ridiculous arguments so here we are.
In previous years it wasn't and the bigger films seem to be Bumblebee and Spider-verse this year but which will be big but seem like Solo could ha e competed or outright beat them during that month with more time for marketing .
Mary Poppins
Bumblebee
Spider-Man
Aquaman
Alita (prolly gonna flop but whatever)
December is packed. Solo wasn't going to do any better there.
I'm replying to the first post of the thread which doesn't mention Rotten Tomatoes audience score once. You weren't clear.
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idk I haven't even seen solo
People who judge and think entirely based on anecdotes and feelings don't deserve to guide a discussion like this, or really any discussion of any type.
Yeah, I actually think both of those are the real big hitters, not Into the Spider-Verse and Bumblebee.
Too close to VIII, too crowded of a time to release, unappealing subject, troubled development with a whole film being scrapped and directors fired, not released in the winter like every modern Star Wars movie, backlash from some fans from VIII, etc. It goes on and on. Everything was working against this movie and we were lucky to get something as good as we did.
I think LucasFilm quickly learned that they cannot follow the Marvel formula. Star Wars has to be an annual event, people get way too drowned down by the massive promotion. I hope they also learned their lesson and will stop trying to push Star Wars to the summer. They have the winter for the taking and they need to embrace it. That was a dumb decision that they could have avoided.
IX will do fine. The sequel trilogy has largely followed the same % drops of the other two trilogies.
I think LucasFilm quickly learned that they cannot follow the Marvel formula. Star Wars has to be an annual event, people get way too drowned down by the massive promotion. I hope they also learned their lesson and will stop trying to push Star Wars to the summer. They have the winter for the taking and they need to embrace it. That was a dumb decision that they could have avoided.
IX will do fine. The sequel trilogy has largely followed the same % drops of the other two trilogies.
First post gets it.
There's no question of Episode 9 bombing. The question is whether is does any better than Last Jedi at the box office or not.
What?
Also, before you go on about the audience score, 45% of 200k people is still more people than 64% of 37k people. More people said they like TLJ than Solo.
Forgot about Aquaman, I would assume Poppins would get.moved if Disney released Solo in December.
I have no faith in Aquaman doing well unless it's a remarably good .