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retrocore9

Banned
Dec 27, 2017
84
Has there been any standard PS 4 vs Pro comparisons? I've only heard that they are very similar or its not a huge difference.

Really curious how Insomniac improved on what Beenox and Activision has done before with Spiderman 3, Amazing Spiderman etc. Those were fun games also.
 

DrBo42

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
3,760
Has there been any standard PS 4 vs Pro comparisons? I've only heard that they are very similar or its not a huge difference.

Really curious how Insomniac improved on what Beenox and Activision has done before with Spiderman 3, Amazing Spiderman etc. Those were fun games also.
There are some comparisons in the DF video but they spend like 80% of the video comparing it to the old build for downgrade talk. No performance changes really, wasn't a comparison done on loading, details are more crisp on the Pro.
 

Mass_Pincup

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
7,129
A bit disappointed with the towers and the skill tree. Feels like they really wanted this game to "work" in the current gaming world.

Enjoying it so far though.
 

nib95

Contains No Misinformation on Philly Cheesesteaks
Banned
Oct 28, 2017
18,498
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God DAMN. Photo mode looks dope.

But that looks like a shot from the movie.
 

More_Badass

Member
Oct 25, 2017
23,623
Yeah, seeing some of their scores I'm left with the assumption they want to be edgy, and so they often assign much lower scores to games. I mean some of them are just baffling. Guess every industry needs a few GameCritics/QuartertoThree/Armond White.

I'll never understand how a "critic" can be so obviously trolling with scores (I'm talking specifically about Armond White) yet still be counted among the rest of the critics. I give virtually no stock to review aggregate sites, but it hurts their credibility I think whenever these types of reviewers are shown alongside all the rest of the reviewers. Not to mention for games a couple of troll/clickbait scores might actually make a difference. Maybe the devs miss out on a bonus (I believe that's happened before) or maybe their game lands at a 79 or 89 and being one point higher might have slightly altered the game's perception.
It's really disappointing to see Quarter To Three and GameCritics placed in the same category of White. Like White's stuff is obviously trolling, while to call the other two trolling, you have to not understand that just because you like something or that there's a general consensus doesn't mean a thing on an individual level. It feels like people just look at scores and balk, instead of actually reading reviews.

Take the aforementioned Bloodborne review from Gamecritics. The reviewer really liked the game, felt it was well-made, loved the creepy Lovecraftian atmosphere of the setting, and praised the masterful level design. But the difficulty and aggressive nature of the combat felt like a jarring struggle compared to the Souls style he was accustomed to, and playing felt like beating his head against a brick wall. So despite its strengths, the experience was a chore and not as fun as he had hoped. Thus his score.

Is that not reasonable? Like that isn't some radical opinion. We've seen similar impressions on this very forum, players who feel like the game and combat is a frustrating struggle, complete with posters giving them advice on how to adjust to the pace of the game. Reviewers don't have that kind of resource when they're playing, so you could imagine something being really hard for someone without any help or guidance from other players could make for a frustrating experience

Same with Quarter To Three. I remember people calling Chick's Agents of Mayhem review trolling and just being contrarian. Except when you actually read the review and his other articles on the game, it makes perfect sense why he loved it. (He was finally recovering from cancer but then Trump and the GOP's gross actions made 2017 a shitty year, and he wanted to indulge games for pure escapism, that were fun and colorful and didn't take themselves seriously, to get away from the endless torrent of news and reality in America)
 
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Tekniqs

Member
Oct 26, 2017
1,218
I have the 'regular' game preordered with bestbuy since I still have GCU. Should i cancel that and go for the deluxe edition instead?
 

Deleted member 35598

User requested account closure
Banned
Dec 7, 2017
6,350
Spain
I guess the guys at Imsomniac are pleased the critical reception so far.

However I wonder if they had targets on Metacritic score. Maybe they miss out on some bonuses if the game was sub 90 on Metacritic. I can't remember which studio was impacted by those Metacritic bonuses years ago. Are those Metacritic bonuses still a thing ?
 

Stryder

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,530
US
I feel like this is going to be another game where I'm going to want to do all the side content and unlock all those sweet customization I've been seeing floating around.

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Lump

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
16,037
Yeah someone is going to have to make a photo mode thread.

Just title it "Bring me pictures of Spider-man!"
 

PlanetSmasher

The Abominable Showman
Member
Oct 25, 2017
115,848
I guess the guys at Imsomniac are pleased the critical reception so far.

However I wonder if they had targets on Metacritic score. Maybe they miss out on some bonuses if the game was sub 90 on Metacritic. I can't remember which studio was impacted by those Metacritic bonuses years ago. Are those Metacritic bonuses still a thing ?

You're thinking of Bethesda fucking over Obsidian because New Vegas missed a Metascore target by one point. I don't think Sony would do that to Insomniac and I don't think they'd have had a relationship for as long as they have if Sony did that to them.
 

carlsojo

Member
Oct 28, 2017
33,877
San Francisco
You're thinking of Bethesda fucking over Obsidian because New Vegas missed a Metascore target by one point. I don't think Sony would do that to Insomniac and I don't think they'd have had a relationship for as long as they have if Sony did that to them.

From everything I've seen and heard this gen Sony treats its devs extremely well so I would be surprised if there was some metacritic bonus garbage.

I really doubt that they're disappointed with the reception thus far even before launch.
 

daniel77733

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
4,639
Reckon it'll drop back down once GameCritics and Edge drop their reviews.

For reference; GameCritics

God of War - 75
A Way Out - 40
Destiny 2 - 35
Cuphead - 60
Witcher 3 Blood and Wine - 65
Uncharted Lost Legacy - 65
Mass Effect Andromeda - 35
NieR Automata - 65
Horizon Zero Dawn - 65
Uncharted 4 - 50
Quantum Break - 50
Halo 5 - 55
Metal Gear Solid V - 60
God of War 3 - 65
Far Cry 4 - 50
Tomb Raider - 65

Never heard of GameCritics and looking at those scores, I can understand why. What a shitty site. Thankfully, this site will never mean anything to me and I will never ever take into account anything they say about any game for that matter. Sites like this which is nothing but a joke because they just want clicks to increase ad revenue simply shouldn't even exist. Seriously, wow, just wow.
 

Karak

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,088
been having a blast with the photo mode. And then I snapped this monstrosity lol. It looked normal for a second then...I noticed his legs hahaha
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P A Z

Member
Oct 27, 2017
6,916
Barnsley, UK
Sunset Overdrive is the gold standard of open world traversal for me, you drop me in that game and I'm having fun within seconds.

You can really see the Sunset DNA in Spider-Man, Insomniac taking that system and expanding on it...be still my beating heart.
 

McScroggz

The Fallen
Jan 11, 2018
5,973
It's really disappointing to see Quarter To Three and GameCritics placed in the same category of White. Like White's stuff is obviously trolling, while to call the other two trolling, you have to not understand that just because you like something or that there's a general consensus doesn't mean a thing on an individual level. It feels like people just look at scores and balk, instead of actually reading reviews.

Take the aforementioned Bloodborne review from Gamecritics. The reviewer really liked the game, felt it was well-made, loved the creepy Lovecraftian atmosphere of the setting, and praised the masterful level design. But the difficulty and aggressive nature of the combat felt like a jarring struggle compared to the Souls style he was accustomed to, and playing felt like beating his head against a brick wall. So despite its strengths, the experience was a chore and not as fun as he had hoped. Thus his score.

Is that not reasonable? Like that isn't some radical opinion. We've seen similar impressions on this very forum, players who feel like the game and combat is a frustrating struggle, complete with posters giving them advice on how to adjust to the pace of the game. Reviewers don't have that kind of resource when they're playing, so you could imagine something being really hard for someone without any help or guidance from other players could make for a frustrating experience

Same with Quarter To Three. I remember people calling Chick's Agents of Mayhem review trolling and just being contrarian. Except when you actually read the review and his other articles on the game, it makes perfect sense why he loved it. (He was finally recovering from cancer but then Trump and the GOP's gross actions made 2017 a shitty year, and he wanted to indulge games for pure escapism, that were fun and colorful and didn't take themselves seriously, to get away from the endless torrent of news and reality in America)

To be fair, I made a distinction between White and the other two websites. However, if there is a clear and consistent track record of a site giving significantly lower scores to popular games, it's worth questioning their intentions. For practically any game a person could find flaws and focus on them for the review, and ultimately could assign a mixed or negative score to any game - but is it a good representation of the product? Or, rather, if a reviewer or website (which is worse, an entire site consistently reviewing games much lower suggests a mandate or something like that) is so dramatically out of sync with the industry should they be seen as credible enough to be listed on an aggregation site, increasing their exposure while also - to some degree - reducing the credibility of the aggregate site?

It's certainly fair to say there is no line in the sand that separates troll/clickbait site and one that is highly critical. Edge, for example, has a reputation for being one of the harsher graders. In fact it on average assigns a lower score than the average more often than GameCritic. The difference (from a VERY cursory glance), is that Edge seems to be harsher for AAA/AA games that are more middle of the road good - such as giving a game with a score of 82 a 7 - while still giving out great review scores for many great AAA games. In affect they grade mediocrity more harshly. GameCritic seems to give out really high scores to smaller games much more frequently, which counterbalances being much harsher than even Edge to many AAA games.

Now one person might say it's good to have a variety of different perspectives from reviewers - and I agree. But there does become a point where it just feels like knocking down popular games to get noticed and writing more reasonable reviews for smaller games. Nothing from GC or QTT is as obviously toxic as Armond White, but sadly metacritic seems to be a more important part of the game industry and so at the very least I think the impact of extreme outliers should be reduced because their credibility is very questionable.

I have my problems with Halo 4 for sure, but a 20/100 (1/5 stars) is a review that seems so blatantly meant to bring attention to it that I have never taken the website seriously since. If that was a blip on the radar then maybe I would ignore it as a moment of bad judgement, but there have been many scores that seem way to harsh for me to consider his opinion worthwhile. That's a personal preference though.
 

angelgrievous

Middle fingers up
Member
Nov 8, 2017
9,141
Ohio
hey all, sorry if this has been A&A but is there some kind of feature that the deluxe edition has over the regular? Not like dlc or anything, I thought I read on here that there was a pretty good reason to upgrade to the deluxe edition.

thanks.