If the guy hadn't lost he would have won. You sound like many Boxing and MMA fans I know.
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Is the Arya Stark/Brienne scene in GoT S07 the dumbest scene in GoT?
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If the guy hadn't lost he would have won. You sound like many Boxing and MMA fans I know.
Arya has mastered the Braavosi way of sword fighting, which is the same Syrio Forell used in S01. It's swift and precise when compared to the hack-and-slash style of Westerns. Arya besting Brienne just mirrors Syrio defeating all those Lannister soldiers just with a wooden sword. Syrio was also much smaller and he used it ib his favour. It's how the Braavosi fight.
Bruh he literally had Jorah on the ground disarmed. He was literally making the killing strike before he got robbed.
You mean the one time she tried to stab the hound and did nothing. Brienne was fully armored, swords are historically been useless weapons versus plate. Steel swords were not very durable they would easily break clashing or hitting armor. The fact that Arya was using a short sword like Needle, that sword would not last long versus a knight.
I don't even understand how she beat the Waif half alive let alone what she did during that Brianne scene. The Waif would have had access to the same training as Arya, and would have been doing it a lot longer. The blind fighting and all that she would have also been taught. So when Arya cuts out the light, shouldn't the Waif have just tossed her head back and laughed? She too should know how to fight in the dark, and against an opponent that's bleeding out and struggling, it should have been an easy dispatch.
Yet an injured Arya still comes out on top. It just seems to me that it's unearned. The end of her last scene in Braavos is also ridiculous as hell.
"Now you are no one!"
He then lets her take a goodie bag for the road. Sure sounds like the way a secret organisation of assassins operates.
Yet an injured Arya still comes out on top. It just seems to me that it's unearned. The end of her last scene in Braavos is also ridiculous as hell.
"Now you are no one!"
He then lets her take a goodie bag for the road. Sure sounds like the way a secret organisation of assassins operates.
Right! The first hand of Braavos beating a couple of thugs is the exact same thing as a teenager going hand to hand with one of the best fighters in the realm. There is absolutely no difference between those two situations.
You win or you lose. There is no middle ground. Jorah won, therefore, Westeros are the best fighters. There is no gap in my logic.
Not only that, the but a good part of the assassin summer camp was that, being an assassin. Trailing people, disguises, idioms, venoms, etc. It isn't the same as purely train as a warrior.
No I mean the scenes in which she had to dodge attacks while being blinded while being trained by world class assassins. The armor is just a crutch that slows the fighter down. Speed is more important than anything. We learned that way back in season 1.
Why are so many people saying there was a "quick upgrade", or "she trained for a few months"? You do understand that the show timeline has covered a number of years, right? The whole thing about their world is that seasons last years, and then take years to transition. She has been training and practicing for years.
Corner a dog in a dead-end street and it will turn and bite
Jorah lost his fight against the Braavosi. The Braavosi was killed by someone else, giving Jorah time to stand up.
I don't even understand how she beat the Waif half alive let alone what she did during that Brianne scene. The Waif would have had access to the same training as Arya, and would have been doing it a lot longer. The blind fighting and all that she would have also been taught. So when Arya cuts out the light, shouldn't the Waif have just tossed her head back and laughed? She too should know how to fight in the dark, and against an opponent that's bleeding out and struggling, it should have been an easy dispatch.
Yet an injured Arya still comes out on top. It just seems to me that it's unearned. The end of her last scene in Braavos is also ridiculous as hell.
"Now you are no one!"
He then lets her take a goodie bag for the road. Sure sounds like the way a secret organisation of assassins operates.
Could be misremembering but didn't Syrio plan to get rid of the waif anyways as she was starting to stray from the path that she was supposed to adhere to and was more focused on bullying Arya than actually living up to the standards of the House of W&B?
Spoken like someone that has probably fought zero hours in his life.
LOL. Sure, except that Arya leaves Westeros at a really well defined point and returns to Westeros at another. We know how long it has taken, its something like 12-18 months at the most.
I think it's a fun scene that I can see how the story arrives at even if it was botched by leaving out a few extra training scenes at some point. I mean her entire premise in the first season is wanting to learn to sword fight rather than do "lady" like things, she's around plenty of fighting, gets trainers, is shown to be trying to train herself constantly... maybe if the show didn't have 20 plot lines they would have snuck in some sword training at the house of Black and White. So yeah some of the criticism is warranted but personally I still enjoyed it. And there are certainly some botched scenes/episodes in the series (the Arya/Waif stabbing/chase is certianly one of them) to the point I can't.
I also don't think the scene is intended to show she could actually just mop the floor with Brienne.... it's just friendly sparring and they draw once both take it remotely seriously.
I also don't think the scene is intended to show she could actually just mop the floor with Brienne.... it's just friendly sparring and they draw once both take it remotely seriously.
Corner a dog in a dead-end street and it will turn and bite
Jorah lost his fight against the Braavosi. The Braavosi was killed by someone else, giving Jorah time to stand up.
It was a free for all. Jorah was the last man standing. Jorah won, all hail Westeros knights.
I wasn't aware that you are a real sword fighter?! If so please tell us! Becasue I'm going off what the show has told us about fighting.
Everytime I wanna consider the point that eh, may be the series hasn't gone down hill THAT BAD, i remember shit like this. I mean they pretty much destroyed the whole martel, high garden and baratheon families in few episodes. That's just terrible disregard for source material. I hope whenever GRR comes out with the books, he does everything completely opposite to the DD writing, just to piss them off.
No because Oberyn's literally cheats with poison and uses a spear to stay out of the Mountain's range. Oberyn was the perfect counter to the Mountain.
I thought that scene made it pretty clear he was training her all along for her intended mission. He even gives a smile and a look of approval when she declares that she's not "no one", that she's Arya Stark. That's the look of a teacher pleased that his student finally learned their lessonI don't even understand how she beat the Waif half alive let alone what she did during that Brianne scene. The Waif would have had access to the same training as Arya, and would have been doing it a lot longer. The blind fighting and all that she would have also been taught. So when Arya cuts out the light, shouldn't the Waif have just tossed her head back and laughed? She too should know how to fight in the dark, and against an opponent that's bleeding out and struggling, it should have been an easy dispatch.
Yet an injured Arya still comes out on top. It just seems to me that it's unearned. The end of her last scene in Braavos is also ridiculous as hell.
"Now you are no one!"
He then lets her take a goodie bag for the road. Sure sounds like the way a secret organisation of assassins operates.
Why would that piss them off, at least they actually got to finish the show lol
This is not an anime, GRRM wanted the series to accurately portrayed the middle ages with some fantasy elements. Knights were the dominant fighting force due to plate armor nullifying most bladed weapons.
I had to re-watch the scene to make sure I wasn't misremembering but what you're describing sounds more like angry Luke vs Vader than the Arya vs Brienne fight. Yes if Arya's strategy was to block and try an absorb all of Brienene's strikes she would be a crumpled heap. Arya was mostly dodging and lightly parrying before she got kicked and decided to use her dagger. I'm not a Westeros metallurgy expert but I'd assume an expensive sword like needle could take a few blows from a dull training sword without shattering immediately.
I seem to remember her last sparring session with the waif showed her getting smacked around then recovering, then getting one over on the waif, which pissed her off. Jaqen interrupted right after that, so it ended on a note of Arya on the up. She was definitely improving. Not sure how she went from zero to 60 after that, but no doubt killing the waif gave her that final (killing) experience and some confidence. Not saying it explains everything, but it's not like they didn't lay some groundwork.
Sword fighting has always been mostly about closing the distance, the whole point of armor is that you can get close enough to avoid getting slashed and then grapple your opponent. Knights had a very stright training in grappling, wrestling and locks because a lot of fights were decided by who took their opponent to the floor first, and then used their sword or knife to cut through the plate.
Here there are knights engaging in grappling after they dropped their sword.
2 Knights using their swords as a means to close the distance.
A Knight using a wrist lock to disarm and drop his opponent.
Because those expert assassins aren't expert swordsman. They're expert assassins because of their intrigue skills not because they're all Barristan Selmys.
Besides we never see Arya train with a sword with them.
Also consider that Brienne trained all her life to be a swordsman and she ties with a little girl that's been training to be a swordsman for a year or two.
I'm sorry was every fighter there supposed to represent a fighting style with no nuance? That's not how a free for all between a bunch of half starved dirty men work.
Waterdancers are absolutely expert swordsmen. With a wooden sword Syrio was able to do this:
Jorah straight up lost to this guy and couldn't even land a hit:
The implication is that this style will absolutely be lethal in one on one fights or even in small skirmishes as it's all about anticipation & striking weak points.
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"Some fantasy elements" meanwhile we have demon shadow babies, people being resurrected, dragons, lady Stoneheart, zombies, magic face swapping assassins etc.
Don't try to pretend like a girl being quicker than a full grown solider is some sort of stretch.
But she was BLIND. BLIND. BLIIIIIIND I TELL YOU. Blind training is at least 2.75x the speed of eye training, this is science. This is known.
And was super speed one of those establish fantasy elements?
Just look at these modern clowns that have spend maybe a couple years sword training. Any trained fighter from GOT would be able to move faster and with more technique than anyone here, and they are already really fast. They do quick slashes at the feet and arms and follow it with shield punches and grappling.
2 years max. Each season is at most a year.
Brienne's been training how to fight since she was a little girl.
We're never even shown the Faceless Men being these elite fighters.
Her mission of vengeance. Rejecting the Faceless Men, killing the Waif, and remaining herself was the test. Hence his dialogue there, his look of approval and nod of respect when she declares that she is Arya, and Arya having magical assassin gear when we see her next
Letting someone take magical assassin gear isn't the act of a person who you left on bad terms
First of all yes considering how fast that demon baby was able to get to it's target. Second of all, how does Arya have super speed when she's not moving faster than the individuals in those gifs above.
This a full-grown elite knight plus Arya block was cringe-worthy.
I despise how the show made Arya this elite fighter.
In the books, Arya isn't a good swordsman or a good archer but she deals with that by learning to become a good assassin which requires different skills like charm, seduction, knife work, poison and learning how to stalk your prey.
Yeah but if I want to I can pretend Dorne never ever happened, and I can look forward to next season of not being reminded about anything related to Dorne as to give me flashbacks about that storyline. I can't do that with Arya. I fully expect her to do some fuckery on the White Walkers because what else is her powers useful for in that fight? Being a faceless assassin isn't exactly what I would call a useful skill set against zombies and ice sorcerers. So is she going to be levelled up again to deal with this threat?
Unless of course they plan to send her south to with Cersei when Jaime catches up and tells them what Cersei is plotting.
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Another thing to note is that Water dancing is most effective when the other person has no idea what that style is. Brienne's never met one.
It made a lot of sense within the context of the show.
She's been sword training ever since season 1. got trained by a magic assassain master, and eventually mastered it herself.
Sure, they could've shown more of the training, but screentime is limited.
Brianne is a very skilled swordswoman, but even she wouldn't be able to get the best of a combat style which she has yet to encounter.
She's been sword training ever since season 1. got trained by a magic assassain master, and eventually mastered it herself.
Sure, they could've shown more of the training, but screentime is limited.
Brianne is a very skilled swordswoman, but even she wouldn't be able to get the best of a combat style which she has yet to encounter.
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But why? I don't recall, but did Arya even tell Jaquen anything in relation to what happened to her dad prior to him given her the coin and telling her to find him in Braavos?
Remember they had an entire arc where she "saved his life" and he promised to kill three men.
What's with this only a year or two stuff? Arya grew up watching Ned, Rob and Jon train. Jon gave her notes , Ned got her a teacher in Kings Landing and she studied the Hound as well. Also lets not pretend that the fight didn't end with Arya swordless about to use a dagger. She's an amalgamation of all her past teachers/experiences.
"Ties". Lol .Arya gained Brienne's respect but they didn't tie. This is like saying that two runners tied only the first runner gave the 2nd a 5 minute head start. Arya nearly got the better of Brienne because she wasn't taking the fight seriously until the end. Arya being a prodigy doesn't undermine Briennes skill.
Yeah, and she got her three men (the torturer, the guy that was going to rat her out, and the guards at the end). But I don't recall her telling him her life story. So why would he be interested from that moment to train her for a mission in which she learns everything from him, not join his guild, and to go back home to get revenge?
I don't know fuck all about GOT but I know the Arya memes and complaints but I didn't see any Bleach super-speed moments in that fight? It's just Arya outdueling the older woman.
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