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Ariana grande being sexually assaulted at Aretha Franklin's funeral
- Thread starter Burrman
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What is really your problem? It is obviously not the assault, so what is it?
Well, this would be taking devil's advocacy to a whole new level that not even the worst lawyers could think of:
"Your honor, I hope you consider this as a misunderstanding: Only two kinds of people would do this to a woman in front of a large audience and cameras: A complete fool, or someone so used to doing this shit that it doesn't even register as sexual harassment to them... and my client isn't a fool! I rest my case."
*gives a thumbs up to the client*
Yeah, wrote that on my phone and it took a bit to edit in sexism too when I thought about it.
You should see some of the comments on the Facebook page though. Him being a religious figure absolutely has a lot to do with it. Bunch of nutty old people on the page comparing the dude to Jesus.
Sexual Assault covers a broad range of stuff but is by definition unwanted sexual touching, which this is. It doesn't have to be him sticking his hands down her top to be covered by the term. This is what I meant before and why she's not going to say anything because half the people don't even see it as sexual assault. Why bother when you're going to have to justify the 'fuss' you're causing.
I don't understand how one can look at those gifs/screenshots/videos and not see sexual assault.
How would you like it if someone you've never met cupped your balls with his hand, just for a moment, infront of all your colleagues at work, and nobody said anything or acknowledged it. And he was smiling while doing it. How would you feel afterwards?
While reading that sentence I'd like to introduce you to a concept called 'empathy'. Google it for more info.
I obviously worded that poorly. There wasn't any reason to put his arms around her like that, he could have held her shoulder or just not at all. I would argue that he was invading her personal space a little too much. I don't think many people would like to be held that close and firm.
That being said..
Was he intentionally grabbing her by her/trying to feel the breast though? A 1 or 2 second clip is not enough for me to judge that. And that's why I personally doubt if we can call that sexual assault.
You cracked the case! It's obviously the cameraperson's fault!
Yes. And I wonder what your intentions are for not acknowledging the obvious.
Clip I've seen was a few seconds and his hand touching her breast, whether on purpose or accidentally is really brief.
Look I don't know about other people but if I accidentally touch someone's boob or arse I remove my hand completely instead of (let's be way too charitable) readjusting it down slightly.
Lol, intentions? No intentions at all. This is why I stay out of these threads mostly. I stand by what I said, the guy should have given her her personal space. She's clearly uncomfortable with how firmly he holds her. Was the breast touch/grope on purpose or accidental? I don't know.
And I'm gonna leave it at that.
Do you think that men don't know where breasts are located on a woman? Like he was just fishing around for her shoulder and whoops, a boob!
If you think it was an accident, is the rest of the clip playing out how you expect it would if he also thought it was an accident? Anyway if you think what you think based on that footage, guess I can't say much to convince you otherwise.
All I heard about this before today was people ripping on her performance. I hope this pastor gets exposed. Probably not the first time either
I think the breast groping was accidental, but honestly why grip so close, it's inappropriate even without touching the breast. I would not say "sexually assaulted", as I feel that's for more intentional and serious situations, but definitely not appropriate.
Exactly. What he did is indefensible once you pull the thread of each possible excuse. That was my point of allowing space for some (within reason) devil's advocacy. It can make the overall argument stronger when you debate the points other people are bound to bring up.
Your priority was downplaying the videomaterial with wrong claims and nonsensical detours about how you wouldn't have noticed anything without the zoomin.
The rest was a afterthought.
Your feelings don't matter. He groped her.
Definitely intentional on his part, at best a subconscious habit from having done this many times in the past without any repercussions. As for having the gall to do it on live TV to a celebrity, wasn't there a similar case not too long ago, of a host or presenter at some event feeling up a celebrity's ass while they were posing for cameras? Must be a power trip or bragging rights thing for some people.
What I find puzzling is how people can doubt the nature of the act when you can clearly see Grande's uncomfortable reaction.
It's honestly hard to watch. Look at the girl, that's all the evidence you'll ever need to understand these things aren't minor offences.
It was Mel B.
SMH at all the people coming out of the woodwork to justify this shit.
wtf at that gif.It was Mel B.
SMH at all the people coming out of the woodwork to justify this shit.
What a douche.
It loses a lot of the impact when it's played at a faster speed. When played properly you can see that he slowly ramps it up over time, and takes a while to react once he's called out. Also the gif misses the ending where he laughs it off and chases after her.It was Mel B.
SMH at all the people coming out of the woodwork to justify this shit.
He just didn't give a fuck about it (and I suppose why would he, he got off scot free).
It's obviously her decision, but for my part I'd find it pretty gratifying if he was charged
The fucked up thing about the clip is if you watched the whole thing, when he first approached her on stage he grabbed her normally. (still too close) then his hand crawled like a spider to find the tit. I'm not bullshitting you. That fuck stain was on a mission.
No, it wouldn't. This is about as much media coverage as it would receive with slightly stronger language used by media outlets.
No, I think it's the Taylor Swift incident this poster is referring to. She took the guy to court and sued him for $1 to prove a point.
It was Mel B.
SMH at all the people coming out of the woodwork to justify this shit.
Yeah, that's what i was thinking of. Same type of shit and just laughed off if caught in the act.
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You know what, you are both right, i remember both of these and must have conflated them.
Woah, I didn't know about this. How much of a machismo-inflated ego must you have to think you can get away with that? On live fucking TV?
Disgusting pieces of shit. Glad that dude got put in his place.
Pulling that shit on tv, you know what he does and did all his life without cameras to women ...It was Mel B.
SMH at all the people coming out of the woodwork to justify this shit.
I don't believe I posted anything devoid of sensibility to deserve this type of shut down. Defending your point with absolutism is just going to drive people away, and I am even on the side of finding the event very inappropriate, so fighting me is pointless.
Even if you believe this wasn't sexual assault, people especially when it comes to men and women just need to keep their hands to themselves. Touchy feely people are annoying as hell at best.
Holy shit, I've never seen this before. It's unbelievable that they just continued as if nothing happened, and boy was she restrained. Should've beaten the shit out of him.
When did this happen?
It was actually even worse than that: after he groped her, she told her mom and her security team, and they told his bosses, which led to him being fired. THEN he had the gall to sue her.
He's not a Catholic priest so that will quote doesn't apply to him.
So what, he's demoted or whatever right?
I don't understand even if there's no intentions, why would you hold a strange woman so close?
But yes, even if it wasn't a titty grab (which it is), it's still pretty terrible. You don't wrap someone's body like that if you don't know them and know that they're comfortable with it.
Okay, that's an iron fucking grip. Dude could have moved his hand down or up as soon as he realized.
Oh, you must have thought you were being so clever.
Cute.
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