Video shows black man being physically thrown off MUNI for "playing loud music"

Yung Coconut · Aug 31, 2018

WTF is wrong with people?

People playing loud music is the worst though. It's a daily thing on bart and muni/bus. I just make sure I always have my headphones on. Then I can avoid that and also pretend I'm asleep and can't hear when beggers, scammers and some dude trying to sell me his new mixtape walk up to me.

Nacho Papi · Aug 31, 2018

Big men! Biiiiiig right there, yeah beat up that kid! He was playing loud music?! Omg...quick both of you punch him!!! Prob younger than either of those old guys' kids...

Jpop · Aug 31, 2018

Panther2103 said:
Why did I read the comments in that article. It's insane how people react to things on news sites now.

This whole situation is stupid. Why are you so enraged about music being played that you have to assault someone, they could have been killed being thrown off.

Because it is a race issue and the music is an excuse.

ObbyDent · Aug 31, 2018

i cant believe that fucking kid didn't press charges

jesus christ man, he could have killed you in that headlock

Gonzalez · Aug 31, 2018

Fucking, Sami Zayn.... Probably pissed he wasn't playing Goldfinger.

Medalion · Aug 31, 2018

It would be something else if he wasn't doing anything wrong and 2-3 white dudes decide to randomly grab the kid in a headlock and throw him off a moving train

Nightwing123 · Aug 31, 2018

Wow those 2 guys are awful. Someone should have helped that poor guy.

Remedy · Aug 31, 2018

Mammoth Jones said:
Waiting for posters to justify this violence since X

Wasn't there a G-... Resetera post just a week ago with a role reversal, where everybody praised the violence? An oldish lady did something "annoying" and got beat. Illegal is one thing, but if you want justice, do it the legal way.

rjinaz · Aug 31, 2018

Remedy said:
Wasn't there a G-... Resetera post just a week ago with a role reversal, where everybody praised the violence? An oldish lady did something "annoying" and got beat. Illegal is one thing, but if you want justice, do it the legal way.

You mean racial slurs? lol "something annoying".

And she wasn't almost thrown out of a vehicle either.

And not many praised it, most didn't condone it. Some did sure.

Also, calling this place GAF as some kind of insult should be bannable at this point.

GoldenEye 007 · Aug 31, 2018

Remedy said:
Wasn't there a G-... Resetera post just a week ago with a role reversal, where everybody praised the violence? An oldish lady did something "annoying" and got beat. Illegal is one thing, but if you want justice, do it the legal way.

She called black people niggers. Nice try, though.

Remedy · Aug 31, 2018

rjinaz said:
You mean racial slurs? lol "something annoying".

And she wasn't almost thrown out of a vehicle either.

And not many praised it, most didn't condone it. Some did sure.

Also, calling this place GAF as some kind of insult should be bannable at this point.

Not saying either is worse. In the end they started the same way, without actual harm to anyone (music vs. words), and ended the same way, with violence.

Not many 'praised' it, but many looked the other way and rationalized it.

We're violent animals. What violence is tolerated is just temporary. Soon it'll be anti-capitalists or whatever 'minority' that threatens you or your way of life.

Wanderer5 · Aug 31, 2018

Sheesh, I hope they don't get away with this. Screw people that blast their music on public transportation, but this isn't the way to go at it.

GoldenEye 007 · Aug 31, 2018

Remedy said:
Not saying either is worse. In the end they started the same way, without actual harm to anyone (music vs. words), and ended the same way, with violence.

Not many 'praised' it, but many looked the other way and rationalized it.

We're violent animals. What violence is tolerated is just temporary. Soon it'll be anti-capitalists or whatever 'minority' that threatens you or your way of life.

Racism is inherently harmful.

motherless · Aug 31, 2018

Remedy said:
Wasn't there a G-... Resetera post just a week ago with a role reversal, where everybody praised the violence? An oldish lady did something "annoying" and got beat. Illegal is one thing, but if you want justice, do it the legal way.

I did not see any follow up stories for that one. The video clips in that thread are incomplete and did not show what exactly happened to her and who did it. Some people assume it was the people on the bus.

Remedy · Aug 31, 2018

GoldenEye 007 said:
Racism is inherently harmful.

And there it is, justification for violence. It's just a matter of which type of violence you condone.

Enzom21 · Aug 31, 2018

Remedy said:
And there it is, justification for violence. It's just a matter of which type of violence you condone.

There was no justification to that post. It was a statement of fact, or do you not think racism is harmful?
You did compare it to loud music so I guess we have our answer.

GoldenEye 007 · Aug 31, 2018

Remedy said:
And there it is, justification for violence. It's just a matter of which type of violence you condone.

That's your problem if you equate yelling nigger to a group of black people to someone's music being too loud. As if one has anything to do with the other.

rjinaz · Aug 31, 2018

Racial slurs are harmful. They may not physical harm but they are absolutely harmful. They can leave emotional scars that lasts years. Equating it to loud music is laughable. I'm not going to argue that the woman deserved to take a beating for it, but, she called a Black person a N word to their faces, and it happened.

Fisty · Aug 31, 2018

Turns out USA was the bad guy for killing all those Nazis

*The More You Know*

Remedy · Aug 31, 2018

rjinaz said:
but, she called a Black person a N word to their faces, and it happened.

As long as you agree that it at least shouldn't matter, that no amount of n words thrown about should lead to violence, then at least we're on the same page. To me, an adult, it shouldn't matter. The moment you take it into your own hands you're the same, if not worse. And I hope to god you don't equate the beating with the words she spoke?

rjinaz · Aug 31, 2018

Remedy said:
As long as you agree that it at least shouldn't matter, that no amount of n words thrown about should lead to violence, then at least we're on the same page. To me, an adult, it shouldn't matter. The moment you take it into your own hands you're the same, if not worse. And I hope to god you don't equate the beating with the words she spoke?

I don't agree with anything you just said, no.

Racial slurs are as a good as a punch in the face, especially that word with the 100s of years of history behind it. It's fighting words. I said I didn't condone the lady getting a beating for it, that's all I said.

Your "as an adult words shouldn't bother you" is spoken like somebody that doesn't understand just how harmful words can be to a person. People kill themselves over online bullying. This shit matters, not everyone can just shrug off everything.

But good job of making this thread about that thread. You could have just bumped that thread instead of your obvious derail here.

Remedy · Aug 31, 2018

rjinaz said:
I don't agree with anything you just said, no.

Racial slurs are as a good as a punch in the face, especially that word with the 100s of years of history behind it. It's fighting words. I said I didn't condone the lady getting a beating for it, that's all I said.

Your "as an adult words shouldn't bother you" is spoken like somebody that doesn't understand just how harmful words can be to a person. People kill themselves over online bullying. This shit matters, not everyone can just shrug off everything.

But good job of making this thread about that thread. You could have just bumped that thread instead of your obvious derail here.

So basically what you're saying, since the old lady punched someone with her words, she only got beaten half to death as a means of defense? And I said "it should't matter" and went on to explain that we have rules in a society, and violence is literally the police's job, nobody else's. If you don't agree with that, you're literally saying "Some violence is okay". That's my point. That's only been my point.

I'm simply pointing this out, because it's clear as day to me that we're complete hypocrites when it comes to violence, as a species.

...Swede, by the way?

Nepenthe · Aug 31, 2018

Remedy said:
So basically what you're saying, since the old lady punched someone with her words, she only got beaten half to death as a means of defense?

She wasn't beaten half to death. The doctor released her with a few lacerations to the head.

Remedy said:
I'm simply pointing this out, because it's clear as day to me that we're complete hypocrites when it comes to violence, as a species.

You yourself make an exception to violence by only saying some humans with an arbitrary job designation are allowed to do it.

So you inherently agree not all violence is equally despicable.

rjinaz · Aug 31, 2018

Remedy said:
So basically what you're saying, since the old lady punched someone with her words, she only got beaten half to death as a means of defense? And I said "it should't matter" and went on to explain that we have rules in a society, and violence is literally the police's job, nobody else's. If you don't agree with that, you're literally saying "Some violence is okay". That's my point. That's only been my point.

I'm simply pointing this out, because it's clear as day to me that we're complete hypocrites when it comes to violence, as a species.

...Swede, by the way?

I don't think I said you were American, I was talking about the word and its history in America.

Yes I think it's ok to punch a nazi or even somebody that says a racial slur to your face. You can disagree. Yes there are laws.

You're putting words in my mouth by saying I said she should be beaten half to death when I have already said, more than once by the way, that I didn't think that was right.

I mean it's ok to think violence is never the answer, that's your right. But to come into this thread trying to compare what happened here with loud music, you're not fooling anyone. "Something annoying" my ass.

Just say what you are skirting around, you think racism isn't that big of a deal.

RedMercury · Aug 31, 2018

Remedy said:
that no amount of n words thrown about should lead to violence, then at least we're on the same page.

Remedy said:
she only got beaten half to death as a means of defense?

She suffered a few lacerations. She's fine.

It's more harmful someone has an expectation they can say that word with impunity than someone being mildly physically inconvenienced with a few cuts, especially when people can just not use that word and just not be racist. It's entirely preventable.

Mammoth Jones · Aug 31, 2018

Remedy said:
Wasn't there a G-... Resetera post just a week ago with a role reversal, where everybody praised the violence? An oldish lady did something "annoying" and got beat. Illegal is one thing, but if you want justice, do it the legal way.

In your mind is playing loud music and calling someone a racial slur the same shit? Like, what robot worldview do you have to try to connect the dots like that? I get what you're saying. "Both sides!" but it's funny to me that only works when one completely ignores context. Which I find intellectually dishonest as shit.

Loud Music...

...calling a group of black folk niggers

You with me? Let me try again just in case you not keeping up:

Loud music...

...calling folks niggers.....

Are you getting the difference in reaction yet? I can just as easy flip it and say it's interesting the same folks condemned that but ain't got shit to say here. Sad.

Remedy · Aug 31, 2018

Nepenthe said:
You yourself make an exception to violence by only saying some humans with an arbitrary job designation are allowed to do it.

So you inherently agree not all violence is equally despicable.

Is this really the best argument you could make? That because we have 'white blood cells' in our society, designed to take out 'viruses' of violence, using violence, I'm "technically condoning violence"? I mean, okay, sure, I'll admit to that if you want. I don't know where you're going to take that though, but it'll be interesting to see.

I only remembered a video of an old lady laying in a pool of blood with a bloodied face, but tell me again, why is it important to you that this particular fact was corrected? How does it benefit you in this debate? I mean, flip it. Just for the sake of it. That same argument, in this thread, would be "Oh this guy doesn't look that hurt, he was just tossed around some".

Cpt-GargameL · Aug 31, 2018

Two old ass men trying to manhandle a kid. Just wow. Two pieces of shit.

Kurdel · Aug 31, 2018

Remedy said:
Is this really the best argument you could make? That because we have 'white blood cells' in our society, designed to take out 'viruses' of violence, using violence,

What a terrible analogy

DOT_mjo · Aug 31, 2018

and yet not a single witness stepped in to stop the two fuckers. We gotta start putting down the camera phone and stop being bystanders to the madness.

Verelios · Aug 31, 2018

Remedy said:
Not saying either is worse. In the end they started the same way, without actual harm to anyone (music vs. words), and ended the same way, with violence.

Not many 'praised' it, but many looked the other way and rationalized it.

We're violent animals. What violence is tolerated is just temporary. Soon it'll be anti-capitalists or whatever 'minority' that threatens you or your way of life.

Oh here we go. We finally got to the sticks and stones equalizer.

Braaier · Aug 31, 2018

Yung Coconut said:
WTF is wrong with people?

People playing loud music is the worst though. It's a daily thing on bart and muni/bus. I just make sure I always have my headphones on. Then I can avoid that and also pretend I'm asleep and can't hear when beggers, scammers and some dude trying to sell me his new mixtape walk up to me.

Yeah, I never understood this. Why not use headphones?

This is one of the main reasons I bought noise canceling headphones. To drown out this shit. But that's what normal people do. Ignore this shit. Or maybe ask the person to turn down their volume. Normal people don't attack someone for playing music.

-JD- · Aug 31, 2018

Remedy said:
Wasn't there a G-... Resetera post just a week ago with a role reversal, where everybody praised the violence? An oldish lady did something "annoying" and got beat. Illegal is one thing, but if you want justice, do it the legal way.

Remedy said:
Is this really the best argument you could make? That because we have 'white blood cells' in our society, designed to take out 'viruses' of violence, using violence, I'm "technically condoning violence"? I mean, okay, sure, I'll admit to that if you want. I don't know where you're going to take that though, but it'll be interesting to see.

I only remembered a video of an old lady laying in a pool of blood with a bloodied face, but tell me again, why is it important to you that this particular fact was corrected? How does it benefit you in this debate? I mean, flip it. Just for the sake of it. That same argument, in this thread, would be "Oh this guy doesn't look that hurt, he was just tossed around some".

Both of these posts contain faulty analogies and are rapidly approaching arguing in bad faith. I am absolutely certain that you understand the differences in the two events, but you're ignoring them in order to win this debate.

Kurdel · Aug 31, 2018

DOT_mjo said:
and yet not a single witness stepped in to stop the two fuckers. We gotta start putting down the camera phone and stop being bystanders to the madness.

Bystander effect in full effect. We all think we would be the heros to intervene and help out, but that isn't always what actually happens.

rjinaz · Aug 31, 2018

Racism in America. We have slavery, segregation, lynching, hangings, to this day we have profiling, it's institutionalized. Black men are arrested more and face more severe punishment for the same crimes as their White counterparts. Kids are called N words to their faces and cry and say how they don't want to be Black anymore. We have fraking Donald Trump as president.

Racism is what this is. It is a big deal. I'm sorry that you feel somebody that says the N word to another person, literally calling them subhuman, doesn't deserve a punch to the face. Many disagree.

Mammoth Jones · Aug 31, 2018

Remedy said:
Is this really the best argument you could make? That because we have 'white blood cells' in our society, designed to take out 'viruses' of violence, using violence, I'm "technically condoning violence"? I mean, okay, sure, I'll admit to that if you want. I don't know where you're going to take that though, but it'll be interesting to see.

I only remembered a video of an old lady laying in a pool of blood with a bloodied face, but tell me again, why is it important to you that this particular fact was corrected? How does it benefit you in this debate? I mean, flip it. Just for the sake of it. That same argument, in this thread, would be "Oh this guy doesn't look that hurt, he was just tossed around some".

Once again....

Loud music....

Calling a group of black people niggers.....

If you don't think calling someone that should not rise to the level of violence just like you don't think this does that's fine. But this is probably the wrong fucking thread to bring that up and shift the discussion to. I get it, you don't think calling someone a nigger is a big enough deal to react with violence. But I find it strange that this incident is what makes you want to bring that other incident that had nothing to do with this up....

DOT_mjo said:
and yet not a single witness stepped in to stop the two fuckers. We gotta start putting down the camera phone and stop being bystanders to the madness.

Fox News: "Two black men assault regular men on the bus home from work"

rjinaz · Aug 31, 2018

Mammoth Jones said:
Once again....

Loud music....

Calling a group of black people niggers.....

If you don't think calling someone that should not rise to the level of violence just like you don't think this does that's fine. But this is probably the wrong fucking thread to bring that up and shift the discussion to.

It's the best thread if you are trying for a derail. They entered this thread calling this place GAF.

fallingedge · Aug 31, 2018

Remedy said:
Wasn't there a G-... Resetera post just a week ago with a role reversal, where everybody praised the violence? An oldish lady did something "annoying" and got beat. Illegal is one thing, but if you want justice, do it the legal way.

Lmao this racist poster.

Nepenthe · Aug 31, 2018

Remedy said:
Is this really the best argument you could make? That because we have 'white blood cells' in our society, designed to take out 'viruses' of violence, using violence, I'm "technically condoning violence"? I mean, okay, sure, I'll admit to that if you want. I don't know where you're going to take that though, but it'll be interesting to see.

I only remembered a video of an old lady laying in a pool of blood with a bloodied face, but tell me again, why is it important to you that this particular fact was corrected? How does it benefit you in this debate? I mean, flip it. Just for the sake of it. That same argument, in this thread, would be "Oh this guy doesn't look that hurt, he was just tossed around some".

I'm not really one to give serious credence to arguments that try to all equivocate violence as equally horrifying, especially ones that turn around to make exceptions on which violence is more acceptable than others within the same argument, such as what you did by essentially saying it's okay for police act violently (an oversight further problematic considering the state of police corruption in America).

This is mainly because due to my experiences actually being a black American, I know that the history of this country's founding and my ability to act as a free person occurred through a lot of bloodshed. I am also aware of the mores of the world that lead to violence from people of oppressed classes towards people of ruling classes, and while violence isn't a "good" thing, I'm aware it's an inevitability in a world that turns based upon the subjugation of others, and as such the moral outlook of any single violent incident should not be looked at in an irrelevant vacuum. If you're going to ignore the history of racism and black people's lack of civil avenues towards correcting it in America, then you're technically free to do so and certainly won't be the first and the last person to do it. But, as a black person, forgive me for saying: I know better.

Deepwater · Aug 31, 2018

Remedy said:
We're violent animals.

Thurston Last · Aug 31, 2018

Mammoth Jones said:
In your mind is playing loud music and calling someone a racial slur the same shit? Like, what robot worldview do you have to try to connect the dots like that? I get what you're saying. "Both sides!" but it's funny to me that only works when one completely ignores context. Which I find intellectually dishonest as shit.

Loud Music...

...calling a group of black folk niggers

You with me? Let me try again just in case you not keeping up:

Loud music...

...calling folks niggers.....

Are you getting the difference in reaction yet? I can just as easy flip it and say it's interesting the same folks condemned that but ain't got shit to say here. Sad.

I mean pretty much this.

Someone will post "Violence is never the answer"

Then someone will respond "Well you were all ok with violence last week in this other case"

"Wow do you think x and y are the same situation?"

While the person may be technically correct, and might not be equating the two situations, it is still a thread derail because you know how people will respond to that.

jroc74 · Aug 31, 2018

Mammoth Jones said:
Once again....

Loud music....

Calling a group of black people niggers.....

And I knew that thread was gonna get bought up.

Amazing.

In both situations the ppl offended could have alerted authorities. For the old lady in D.C., wmata app. Direct line to metro police.

This one, not sure how easy it is, but you could have at least alerted the driver.

In each instance the ppl handled the situation wrong..each instance has heavy racial undertones, with one outright calling black folks niggers.

Ppl, please don't try to compare both situations just became it involved physical confrontations.

One is clearly not like the other.

Midramble · Aug 31, 2018

People playing loud music on public transit is annoying and all, but that's assault right? Muni has plenty of cameras. Hopefully wont take long to catch these guys. Isn't that the second batch of white-person-caught-on-film-fucking-up in SF in like a month? Perfectly illustrates what this city is turning into. It's not right.

Enzom21 · Aug 31, 2018

Good job on the successful derail, Remedy. Take note, motherless.

DOT_mjo · Aug 31, 2018

Kurdel said:
Bystander effect in full effect. We all think we would be the heros to intervene and help out, but that isn't always what actually happens.

yup! and little really needed to be done. Just get between the dudes and the kids, hell anything would've helped the kid not fucking be afraid that he was going to die.

Deepwater · Aug 31, 2018

calling a black person(s) a nigger is always an open invitation for violence and I will be damned before I'm made to feel as if I'm being a hypocrite about that

Cotton McKnight · Aug 31, 2018

Power of Sparda said:
This makes me even angrier because it's more common than people think.

It sucks because it's very true. Sad state we're in, oh wait, it's always been like this.

Sparkedglory2 · Aug 31, 2018

Yeah, I hope those dudes are arrested and charged with assault. Fuck those guys.

ChubbyHuggs · Aug 31, 2018

Dude grabbed at the back of his neck, but he should have been clocking him in the face untill he let go of the kid.

Polioliolio · Aug 31, 2018

So if something annoys you, that justifies potential murder?

The fuck?

Video shows black man being physically thrown off MUNI for "playing loud music"

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