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Sony PlayStation: First Party Studios & Projects |OT2|
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James/Insomniac have been so much more gracious with their time and responses than they needed to be. I was offline most of the weekend so I thankfully missed a lot of the made up drama. Such typical gamer garbage on twitter and reddit.
A post like that is how you know you're in waaaaaaay too deep in places like this where winning arguments or having better lists or better PR is more important than tangible games.
People who consistently keep bringing up "Sony is arrogant again" or expressing their 'concern' about what Sony is doing yesterday, tomorrow, or right now on the toilet before next gen are suspect to me. I feel like people think Sony's success with PS4 is a fluke only because they didn't start off so hot with PS3. Because that was a lot of years with Nintendo in first place, And Xbox holding second for a good while.
But no matter how strong of a concern bubble some try to create, it doesn't compare to reality. Their global popularity will not hurt because of no cross play with other box platforms. It will not hurt because first party titles are too serious with not enough jumping over rainbow clouds to save another chick before she gets sucked into a halo black hole.
Maybe I'm just optimistic or a blind fanboy, I don't give a fuck. I believe PlayStation's future is going to be goddamn amazing. Despite the upcoming copy & paste concerned threads, website headlines and YouTube titles regarding how PS5 is doomed.
But no matter how strong of a concern bubble some try to create, it doesn't compare to reality. Their global popularity will not hurt because of no cross play with other box platforms. It will not hurt because first party titles are too serious with not enough jumping over rainbow clouds to save another chick before she gets sucked into a halo black hole.
Maybe I'm just optimistic or a blind fanboy, I don't give a fuck. I believe PlayStation's future is going to be goddamn amazing. Despite the upcoming copy & paste concerned threads, website headlines and YouTube titles regarding how PS5 is doomed.
The thing that gets me about the whole debacle is how people are just now acting all asspained about cross-play when Sony and Nintendo wanted this back last generation and MS didn't want to play ball either. Now all of a sudden it's a rallying cry between Nintendo and Xbox fans? Like where was that same energy before? Boggles me sometimes.
i wanna believe the dev but those comparison picture are lookin suspect to me...and than explanation with the sun moving...
As far as accusations of Sony being arrogant or complacent go, let's just look at it from their perspective. Their console is still selling even above their own expectations as for two years in a row they've actually had to raise their sales expectations for the PS4 after initially lawballing it. Their games are also selling better than ever. With that in mind we can go into two key points. What is the upside of them saying a word about the PS5 right now? As I said, their current console and its games are selling really well. They're obviously making a lot of money off of it. Talking about the PS5 now could give people the impression that it's closer than it really is and that may make them hold off on buying a PS4. Now as far as any major future services go as well as something like backwards compatibility, that again is a "How does that benefit Sony?" type of question. Not in a sense that they shouldn't do them, but how does it benefit them to announce them now? I very much think that Sony has backwards compatibility along with other services in the works, but there's no real upside for them to announce them now. From their perspective, wouldn't it make far more sense to announce that alongside the PS5 or on the lead up to its release to continue to build hype for the console?
So I don't think they're actually being complacent so much as they realize that they have a lot of good will and don't need to do anything extra to keep it going aside from continually releasing good games. Once it's time for the PS5, then that's when we'll start to hear about a lot of the big things they've been working on over the years.
So I don't think they're actually being complacent so much as they realize that they have a lot of good will and don't need to do anything extra to keep it going aside from continually releasing good games. Once it's time for the PS5, then that's when we'll start to hear about a lot of the big things they've been working on over the years.
Please don't do this. Insomniac even explained in each of those tweets as to why, whether it is puddles being moved, the suits, the sun, etc. It was still explained why and compressed videos online dont help it.
I'd take GOW/Detroit/Spider-Man over PR mumbo jumbo any day. There is absolutely no rush to talk about the PS5 cause there is nothing to show.
And pr or not today we know as much/little about PS5 as we do about the next Xbox.
I wasn't talking about the sub, i was talking about the system its self. lol
Did we watched the same PSX last year? Shawn said PSX is a consumer show in comparison to E3 which is a trade show where they want to show games instead of talking. PSX is a event where you meet devs, spend time with each other and play games. You don't get that from trade shows. Shu talked about PSX is different from E3, TGS and PGW. It's his favourite event of the year because it's so dedicated to PlayStation fans. Fans are paying for the theme park they set up on the showfloor and devs they can meet there.
He mentioned E3 and PGW were the trade shows last year. Each studio works with PR team. It takes 6 months to produce a show. They are not going to use PSX as a big trade show event like E3, TGS and PGW. Kodera did actually held a speech at PlayStation Awards in Tokyo last year. You are not paying attention much. Kodera is not a Western guy that Andrew House was. You don't think Chinese fans were asking for Andrew House's presence at ChinaJoy 2016 because he was there in 2015? Takehito Soeda is the president of SIE Shanghai so he is very popular among Chinese fans. They are doing much more for China than MS and Nintendo does. Same can be said about Taiwan where Xbox 360 used to be no 1 last gen but Xbox become non-existent there as soon as Sony Japan and Sony Asia merged together and put as much effort into marketing as they do in Japan.
World's difficult market which South Korea is for console gaming they are firing on all cylinders in that country compared to what they did in the past. It has paid off for them.
Sony being complacent because we haven't heard much in the west for this year is nonsense. PlayStation is a global brand and needs in all markets than just west. Not every year they can deliver with big surprises at E3 as people want or hold a showcase at PGW every year. Not with the latest content they have to announce. As Shawn referred to trade shows last year. E3, TGS and PGW are all important for them. They don't have a certain event that is more important than the other. They decide with PR team which event they want to announce that is suitable for the content they have.
About those Santa Monica's saff discussion two pages ago, you guys seems to be sure Cory Barlog won't be the director or the creative director of the next God of War ? Did he really implies heavily that his next project will be a new IP for sure ?
Jesus christ, poor guy... why whould he have to give all those explanations to people that actually don't care anyway? Seems exhausting. I mean, I understand that it might be necessary but cmon... why can't people just enjoy things or avoid them at all?
The game will be out in the wild in like ten days. The lack of trust considering Insomniac's technical excellence is silly.
Exactly this. Sony will talk when they're ready to fucking talk. People could get through their backlog with all the energy and time they wait for a company to talk to them. But I also understand there is many perspectives at play here. For me, I know I'm buying PS5, it's THAT simple. I'm not gaming anywhere else. For others they need to be reassured if it's worth investing in everything or choose based on who they think is begging for their dollars more.
Yup. Insomniac has been around almost a quarter century, has put out two AAA games this gen (one of which was open world with fast movement) and yet we still have discussion around their next game being dominated by 'concern'. Gets tiring every single big release, especially for exclusives.
Lmao at the last ditch effort to stain Spiderman.
Its insomniac..
I think J Steves was flustered because they never been accused of something like this before. They even tried to toss out watch dogs to see if it sticks.. just ridiculous, but expected. Happens all the time.
I cant wait to see the legs on this beast, lol.
Its insomniac..
I think J Steves was flustered because they never been accused of something like this before. They even tried to toss out watch dogs to see if it sticks.. just ridiculous, but expected. Happens all the time.
I cant wait to see the legs on this beast, lol.
Yeah, what I want is Kodera to walk on stage and start shit-talking the competition, while sales numbers pop on screen behind him. That'll definitely keep them relevant in the conversation.
I think Cory also said that he would start immediately with a new IP when Sony allows it.
I think it's safe to say, that SSM is working on two simultaneously projects.
Well said.
Exactly. Yeah, that's ridiculous. As mentioned in the original thread, it's been the exact same thing on every single one of these gorgeous PS4 exclusives that are each among the best looking games of the gen. Can't wait for the TLoU2 thread attempt lol.
I recall that after Sony announced they would be focusing on 4 games for E3 2018 (Spider-Man, TLOU: Part II, Ghost of Tsuhima, Death Stranding), Shinobi posted that next-gen PS5 games were in development but not ready to be shown yet. So even if they're quiet about it, 1st Party studios are already at work. No need to worry there.
You do realize MS is desperate for this gen to be over with, right? Hence you see Phil going on stage and talked about next gen console. If Sony being complacent means that we get good exclusives like GoW/SP, then I gladly take it.
Jesus. James has the patience of a saint. Kudos to him for putting up with all that bullshit and explaining everything. *sighs* Wish he didn't have to in the first place, though. Freaking gamers, man.
Honestly, what drives me crazy the most is that the game looks better than it did in so many other scenes, what did they do, downgrade textures and AO just for that one scene? Makes no sense, they optimized things to look better, but downgrade to me means they are using lower quality assets and using them throughout.
We've heard about the future of PlayStation already. It includes Death Stranding, Spider-Man, TLOU PT. II, Ghost of Tsushima, Days Gone, Dreams, Concrete Genie, Medieval, Nioh 2, plus almost every huge third party release. Don't worry, we'll get our PS5 talk in due time.
And some of us care more about those PS4 exclusive games than services for a current or next gen platform.
Yeah, People just completely forget why people buy consoles in the first place. It's not so we can talk about Next gen, it's not just for services, It's primarily for games which Sony's absolutely providing. Why would consumers want to know or worry about a future device reminding how their device are soon to be obsolete. It's a strategy that also airs out what you're doing to competitors. These games take huge amount of time,resources and incredible talent to create, for a gaming system, why wouldn't they bank on these titles? It's clear given the huge sales of their exclusives along with incredible critical reception that it's a strategy that's working for them.
People talk about services like streaming and Gamepass which are great initiatives but they still rely on delivering games which MS have been on shaky ground in being able to deliver. Just take a look at E3 for instance, despite how people thought MS totally delivered a better show, some of the highest viewed games happen to be PS4 exclusives. It's the games that make people talk and converse and Sony is clearly dominating the conversations with their titles.
Sony will talk when they have something to say & when MS aren't talking. There's nothing to be gained trying to drown out your competition when you don't need to. There's nothing to be gained by talking about next-gen in anything beyond 'Yes, there will be another PlayStation' terms.
Services are way easier to create & implement than creating a game, be it sequel or new IP. Sony already have remote play, streaming and a subs-based game rental service, what they need to do is adjust their offering to match or beat MS'.
Services are way easier to create & implement than creating a game, be it sequel or new IP. Sony already have remote play, streaming and a subs-based game rental service, what they need to do is adjust their offering to match or beat MS'.
We know they're putting more resources into first party, including the unannounced San Diego studio. However, MS bought the studios and still operate fewer studios than Sony. They've created new studios and grown their current ones this gen, so my assumption is that they're still expanding their first party.
I know Sony has the upper hand right now, but with MS buying/building FIVE studio's at the same time and openly talking about expanding even more, it's al level of aggresive investing we haven't seen before in the industry. Xbox really has the full financial backing of MS now. I feel like if Sony doesn't expand enough they'll be overtaken at some point in the future.
MS has been throwing money at the industry since Xbox. They would've bought Nintendo already if it was possible. The bought Minecraft...
It makes them a player, but doesn't guarantee a winning formula. You have to produce games and find the most talented devs. Rockstar games, CyberPunk devs, ND, that tends to happen organically.
In the first place, it's a flawed assumption to assume that because MS/Nintendo does X, Sony will or must follow-suit to make a reactionary countermove.
Competitive and external elements have a major impact, to be sure. But even if Xbox overtakes Sony in terms of studio-count, that doesn't somehow automatically translate to 'we must overtake them back to our 2016/17 lead.'
Companies will focus on what they think is best for them with their resources that they have at the point in time.
Competitive and external elements have a major impact, to be sure. But even if Xbox overtakes Sony in terms of studio-count, that doesn't somehow automatically translate to 'we must overtake them back to our 2016/17 lead.'
Companies will focus on what they think is best for them with their resources that they have at the point in time.
Define "expanding enough" because I just shared with you that they've expanded throughout the generation lol
MS is buying studios, because they closed a lot of studios this gen. They only had a handful of first party studios. Sony already had a huge army of first party studios and still formed two new ones with Manchester Studio and the new studio in Sorrento Valley, San Diego.
Sony has way more 1st party studios. They are fine. Even though it would be nice if they could get Insomniac Games (I know they said they wanna stay indie a few years ago).
The current & only studio I want Sony to buy/develop is for console JRPGs...
Build from the ground up, hire experienced developers, put the 1st party budget on them, make PlayStation own JRPGs or something like that, look at Monolith Soft, etc.
Build from the ground up, hire experienced developers, put the 1st party budget on them, make PlayStation own JRPGs or something like that, look at Monolith Soft, etc.
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