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Considering every other client is shittier with less features how would it be a wake up call?
Like every single other client out there has barely ever seen any improvements at all throughout the years and they still don't have 1/10th of the essential features Steam has. Companies clearly don't give a flying fuck whatsoever about offering a good client.
All I want is a means to download and play the games I want to play. I don't use the social features on Steam, because it's a goddamn nightmare to navigate and the systems themselves are a mess. EA, Ubisoft, and CD Projekt seem to recognize that they can't compete with Valve in regards to community features and such, which is why Origin, Uplay, and GOG Galaxy are so barebones. They won't ever have a userbase to the scale Valve does, so whatever features they could implement in that regard would be a waste. And you know what? I'm perfectly fine with that. I dislike corporate monopolies, and find this kind of competition to be necessary to keep Valve from having a deathgrip on digital games distribution on PC. Again, all I want and need is a means to download and play games; I'm going to hail my friends for matches through Discord or Teamspeak, anyway.
 

Pixieking

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Good on them. Steam is a mess, and I don't see why Bethesda should give them 30% for the zero effort they put into everything these days.

1) Please educate yourself about the value that Steam has added to the PC space - from Vulkan to VR, from Steam Controller API and hardware to integrated modding in Steam Workshop,
2) I think it beggar's belief that you say "Steam is a mess", yet expect Bethesda to be competent. Googling Elder Scrolls Online Steam Login Problem reveals the flaw in your argument.
 

GhostTrick

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All I want is a means to download and play the games I want to play. I don't use the social features on Steam, because it's a goddamn nightmare to navigate and the systems themselves are a mess. EA, Ubisoft, and CD Projekt seem to recognize that they can't compete with Valve in regards to community features and such, which is why Origin, Uplay, and GOG Galaxy are so barebones. They won't ever have a userbase to the scale Valve does, so whatever features they could implement in that regard would be a waste. And you know what? I'm perfectly fine with that. I dislike corporate monopolies, and find this kind of competition to be necessary to keep Valve from having a deathgrip on digital games distribution on PC. Again, all I want and need is a means to download and play games; I'm going to hail my friends for matches through Discord or Teamspeak, anyway.




What corporate monopoly ?
And tell me how did Valve abused his position ? By making the store more open ? With refunds ? With community features ? With gaming features ?
You're asking a wake up call for Steam abd yet you claim "I want a barebone client". Your point isn't even making sense !
 

Mbolibombo

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I do chat quite a bit on Steam, though I am using Discord more. It's just so easy on Steam, is the thing, because it's always open. My wife even Steam chats me via the Steam Mobile app, because Whatsapp occasionally lags in sending/receiving messages. I don't have any experience on the voice end of things, though - for that I do consistently use Discord.

Well... everything is just open if you want it to be.. I have always discord open for instance.. both on PC and on my phone. I havnt experience that on whatsapp myself but I guess that can happen.
Still my ways of communication would steam be dead last, if it is even remembered.. messager, discord, whatsapp, skype, SMS would all be ways to contact people before using the steam client to do so.

I havnt used steam voice chat for a very long time either, since as I said elsewhere it's very good elsewhere and there's no way we would actually change platform to do our voicechat.
 

TheUnseenTheUnheard

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That's called itch.io and Steam. Although people complain about the lack of curation.
itch.io is cool but I'm talking about completely open source, as in no company owns the website or service. It would probably rely on torrenting/seeding. Unpopular games would potentially disappear.

I don't know if its possible.
 

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Improvement over what they previously had - it's no longer having 2008 standards, yay!
But it's at least trying to mimic Discord (sort of).. But I cant see anyone really using chat and or voice features using it on Steam since they already use other better platforms for that.



an update no on will use.

I used it yesterday...

Believe it or not, some people still use the community features on steam.
 

TheUnseenTheUnheard

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Right, so no real service here if there's no servers. And to whom would you buy the the games ?
Developers would upload their games and they'd get money. Accounts would have to exist in someway (wallets?). That's why I was thinking blockchain. Lol I'm too tired for this. Someone make it happen.

The devs would have to start by letting people seed from them.
 

BernardoOne

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All I want is a means to download and play the games I want to play. I don't use the social features on Steam, because it's a goddamn nightmare to navigate and the systems themselves are a mess. EA, Ubisoft, and CD Projekt seem to recognize that they can't compete with Valve in regards to community features and such, which is why Origin, Uplay, and GOG Galaxy are so barebones. They won't ever have a userbase to the scale Valve does, so whatever features they could implement in that regard would be a waste. And you know what? I'm perfectly fine with that. I dislike corporate monopolies, and find this kind of competition to be necessary to keep Valve from having a deathgrip on digital games distribution on PC. Again, all I want and need is a means to download and play games; I'm going to hail my friends for matches through Discord or Teamspeak, anyway.
So your "wake up call" is actually wanting Steam to just destroy every feature it has and become another useless client? That's, huh, quite the argument.
 

Ge0force

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What corporate monopoly ?
And tell me how did Valve abused his position ? By making the store more open ? With refunds ? With community features ? With gaming features ?
You're asking a wake up call for Steam abd yet you claim "I want a barebone client". Your point isn't even making sense !

Well said m8!

I wish all those people saying that this is "good" would explain:

- how a publisher selling a game only in their own store is competition
- what Bethesda.net launcher actually does better than Steam, considering the many features it lacks compared to Steam
- how it benefits us as gamers that this game is not being sold at Steam

After 12 pages of toxic comments, none of these guys even tried to do so.
 

GhostTrick

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Well said m8!

I wish all those people saying that this is "good" would explain:

- how a publisher selling a game only in their own store is competition
- what Bethesda.net launcher actually does better than Steam, considering the many features it lacks compared to Steam
- how it benefits us as gamers that this game is not being sold at Steam

After 12 pages of toxic comments, none of these guys even tried to do so.




Some people just throw some words and hope it'll prevent them for arguing.
It's not because you claim something is "horrible" "outdated" or a "monopoly" that you made a point or even explained anything.
I'm all for discussion and such. But at least, if people want to champion another launcher for the sake of no monopoly, it'd be nice to explain what said launcher does that another doesnt and in what way it it contributes to make the market better.


It'd be like complaining about a water brand being the only one in the market, serving fresh, decent, inexpensive water and shitting on it, calling it a monopoly to champion a new company selling warm piss as water for the same price or slightly more expensive



Then ask. I can ask you why everything needs to be on Steam just the same.


Alright, so in order:
1. How is Steam a monopoly and how are they abusing their position (since this is the definition of a monopoly. An actor ruling everything and preventing others by usuint their position)

2. What Steam rules or policy you seem to hate so much ?


As for your question, I'll answer it:
Because it's the better ecosystem. I have 900 games, I like to have them on one place. And Steam offers refunds, Big Picture Mode, Steam Input, Guides, Workshop and communities. You may call me a defense force, but am I not the reasonable person here, as a consumer, to want to have my games on the platform on which I can play them on my TV with a controller interface, with an API to customise the controls of my games to my liking, with easy mod supports and dedicated discussions or guides to use when I need help ?
 
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What corporate monopoly ?
And tell me how did Valve abused his position ? By making the store more open ? With refunds ? With community features ? With gaming features ?
You're asking a wake up call for Steam abd yet you claim "I want a barebone client". Your point isn't even making sense !
So your "wake up call" is actually wanting Steam to just destroy every feature it has and become another useless client? That's, huh, quite the argument.
I don't know how either of you reached the conclusion that I somehow want Steam to have less features. I never said that; I said I don't like them and I don't use them. I use other means to reach my friends when I'm playing games on my PC that aren't through Steam, like IRC and VOIP clients. I have no reason to use Steam's features when other services I like more do it better.

Valve making its store "more open" meant they basically gave up curating the storefront, leading to it being flooded with garbage asset flips and half-baked games. Sometimes, developers they didn't curate didn't even include executables to launch the games. Valve's refund policy was also introduced after EA offered a substantially better one through Origin (sidenote: Origin's refund policy is still better). Competition like that is healthy, and necessary.

I'm not saying Valve didn't add a lot of welcome improvements to their client (Big Picture Mode is great), but I don't think they're the God Emperor of PC Gaming, like some folks do. They're a corporation, and without competition necessary to keep them innovating, you wind up with a monopoly, where innovation stagnates and the customers suffer the consequences. You can enjoy Steam, and that's fine; I never said you couldn't.
 

GhostTrick

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I don't know how either of you reached the conclusion that I somehow want Steam to have less features. I never said that; I said I don't like them and I don't use them. I use other means to reach my friends when I'm playing games on my PC that aren't through Steam, like IRC and VOIP clients. I have no reason to use Steam's features when other services I like more do it better.

Valve making its store "more open" meant they basically gave up curating the storefront, leading to it being flooded with garbage asset flips and half-baked games. Sometimes, developers they didn't curate didn't even include executables to launch the games. Valve's refund policy was also introduced after EA offered a substantially better one through Origin (sidenote: Origin's refund policy is still better). Competition like that is healthy, and necessary.

I'm not saying Valve didn't add a lot of welcome improvements to their client (Big Picture Mode is great), but I don't think they're the God Emperor of PC Gaming, like some folks do. They're a corporation, and without competition necessary to keep them innovating, you wind up with a monopoly, where innovation stagnates and the customers suffer the consequences. You can enjoy Steam, and that's fine; I never said you couldn't.



Origin refund policy is still better ? What are you smoking ?
EA refund policy is 24 hours after you launched the game and only for EA first party titles.
Steam refund policy is 2 hours of gameplay or 2 weeks after initial purchase, on EVERY games.



You're complaining about the lack of curation, which developpers and indies EA allows on Origin ? It's so curated no one but EA and a few huge 3rd party pubs are allowed to release games.


You still throw the word monopoly without even explaining how they're doing nothing. In fact, you complain that they add features. You're contradicting yourself with two lines:
"i want a barebone client"
"steam is terrible, they dont improve (despite adding features I dont want cause Inwant a barebone client)".
 

Pixieking

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BernardoOne

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I don't know how either of you reached the conclusion that I somehow want Steam to have less features. I never said that; I said I don't like them and I don't use them. I use other means to reach my friends when I'm playing games on my PC that aren't through Steam, like IRC and VOIP clients. I have no reason to use Steam's features when other services I like more do it better.

Valve making its store "more open" meant they basically gave up curating the storefront, leading to it being flooded with garbage asset flips and half-baked games. Sometimes, developers they didn't curate didn't even include executables to launch the games. Valve's refund policy was also introduced after EA offered a substantially better one through Origin (sidenote: Origin's refund policy is still better). Competition like that is healthy, and necessary.

I'm not saying Valve didn't add a lot of welcome improvements to their client (Big Picture Mode is great), but I don't think they're the God Emperor of PC Gaming, like some folks do. They're a corporation, and without competition necessary to keep them innovating, you wind up with a monopoly, where innovation stagnates and the customers suffer the consequences. You can enjoy Steam, and that's fine; I never said you couldn't.
Silly to think no curation is a bad thing, considering its one of the strengths and it's actually doing something competitive.
No game has ever launched without executables. The ones that ever had a issue with executables happened in subsequent updates. It's impossible for you to get your game approved without having a .exe.
Origin refund is still terrible. Mere 24 hours after first launch and only being used on EA games is pretty darn poor.
The Steam client also managed to introduce numerous features over the years that vastly benefit the consumers despite competition not existing and none of the other clients having even 1/10th of the features.

Like, competition would be great. This isn't it. This client doesn't compete in any way.
 

Trisc

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Origin refund policy is still better ? What are you smoking ?
EA refund policy is 24 hours after you launched the game and only for EA first party titles.
Steam refund policy is 2 hours of gameplay or 2 weeks after initial purchase, on EVERY games.
If I launch a game, I'm gonna play it for a few hours. Eventually I'll figure it's not the game for me. Two hours isn't a lot of time for me to figure out things like optimizing my settings or even really getting into the groove of a game; I'll often find myself unable to refund a game simply because the point where I realized a game isn't for me is past the two hour mark (such as with strategy or role playing games).

Also, I don't get why the "two weeks after initial purchase" thing is so different from "24 hours after you launched the game". I'm not gonna decide I want to refund a game two weeks after I first played it; that's a decision I'll make the day I bought and played the game. The fact that it's only for EA titles is okay with me, considering I'm only buying EA games on Origin (assuming I buy them at all). Valve's system is fine, but I find Origin's works a lot better for me.
You're complaining about the lack of curation, which developpers and indies EA allows on Origin ? It's so curated no one but EA and a few huge 3rd party pubs are allowed to release games.
GoG shows you can curate a digital marketplace without opening the floodgates and allowing sewage to spill out everywhere. I'm not exclusively talking about Origin, here.
 

GhostTrick

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If I launch a game, I'm gonna play it for a few hours. Eventually I'll figure it's not the game for me. Two hours isn't a lot of time for me to figure out things like optimizing my settings or even really getting into the groove of a game; I'll often find myself unable to refund a game simply because the point where I realized a game isn't for me is past the two hour mark (such as with strategy or role playing games).

Also, I don't get why the "two weeks after initial purchase" thing is so different from "24 hours after you launched the game". I'm not gonna decide I want to refund a game two weeks after I first played it; that's a decision I'll make the day I bought and played the game. The fact that it's only for EA titles is okay with me, considering I'm only buying EA games on Origin (assuming I buy them at all). Valve's system is fine, but I find Origin's works a lot better for me.

GoG shows you can curate a digital marketplace without opening the floodgates and allowing sewage to spill out everywhere. I'm not exclusively talking about Origin, here.



Ah yes, the same GoG which never replied to Assault Android Cactus. The same GoG which refused Cook Serve Delicious. The same GoG which refused Opus Magnum until people started making a lot of noise around it. The same GoG which left a lot of indie devs without any answer on a potential GoG release. Definitely worked veryyyy well.
 

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GoG shows you can curate a digital marketplace without opening the floodgates and allowing sewage to spill out everywhere. I'm not exclusively talking about Origin, here.

GOG shows that heavily curated marketplaces don't actually sell more of their heavily curated products than open ones, to the extent that it is genuinely plagued with garbage ports that are missing features or just straight broken because they don't move enough product for the devs to bother.
 

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GoG shows you can curate a digital marketplace without opening the floodgates and allowing sewage to spill out everywhere. I'm not exclusively talking about Origin, here.

Are you even aware that Steam has a feature that allows you to follow one or more curators? If you want curation, go follow some popular curators and you'll get plenty of suggestions for great games and hidden gems. In my opinion, this is much, much better than a single company deciding what's a good game and what's not.
 

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I guess some people are happy with just opening their launchers to play their games. If you enjoy Steam's benefits as a launcher, you sure as hell won't appreciate all these terrible launchers like the Bethesda has.
 

Trisc

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Wow, fuck me for not minding other launchers for games besides Steam, right?
https://www.resetera.com/threads/go...it-looking-too-much-like-a-mobile-game.10242/

Edit: Slightly too late on this post - don't want it to be taken as dogpiling, but I think the linked-to thread is worth reading so will leave this all here. :)
Yeah, they're not perfect. None of the clients installed on any of our PCs are. Steam is a cluttered mess and its most dedicated fans border on toxic. Origin is a client provided by EA, and "EA bad". Uplay is Uplay (we all know how that one goes). GoG has their failings like any other distributor; Valve almost removed all the pornographic games from their storefront, many of which weren't actually pornographic. I'm not defending any of these parties in this case.
Are you even aware that Steam has a feature that allows you to follow one or more curators? If you want curation, go follow some popular curators and you'll get plenty of suggestions for great games and hidden gems. In my opinion, this is much, much better than a single company deciding what's a good game and what's not.
I'm well aware. Valve should be the ones working quality control on their storefront, however. The curator feature is nice, but it's more like a "recommendations" feature than curation.
 

GhostTrick

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Wow, fuck me for not minding other launchers for games besides Steam, right?

Yeah, they're not perfect. None of the clients installed on any of our PCs are. Steam is a cluttered mess and its most dedicated fans border on toxic. Origin is a client provided by EA, and "EA bad". Uplay is Uplay (we all know how that one goes). GoG has their failings like any other distributor; Valve almost removed all the pornographic games from their storefront, many of which weren't actually pornographic. I'm not defending any of these parties in this case.

I'm well aware. Valve should be the ones working quality control on their storefront, however. The curator feature is nice, but it's more like a "recommendations" feature than curation.




No one said that. People are just replying to your posts.
Not only you're seeing agressivity where there's none, but you're even going out of topic to avoid arguing about features and policies but about "toxic userbase".

No one is arguig with you for not minding other clients. People are arguing with you for calling one a mess without providing any base to you statements, which you still dont.
 

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No one said that. People are just replying to your posts.
No man, I feel like I'm getting dogpiled and it's bothering the hell out of me.
Not only you're seeing agressivity where there's none, but you're even going out of topic to avoid arguing about features and policies but about "toxic userbase".
Pretty sure there's a degree of aggression here, with you saying things like "what are you smoking" and whatnot.
 

Pixieking

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Wow, fuck me for not minding other launchers for games besides Steam, right?

I don't think any of us mind using other launchers - I think all of us pro-Steam users have Battle.net or Origin installed, if not both. It's that we want to be able to use Steam because of its features, so having lots of people come into threads complaining about Steam, yet unwilling to hold Origin, UPlay, Battle.net, GOG, Bethesda to the same standards is frustrating. People just saying the same anti-Steam things as last month, last year, 5 years ago... Just, why don't people learn about the system?

So totally not meaning to come across as a dick, but it gets annoying trying to educate people about why Steam is better than, say, Battle.net, when a lot of people just want to shit on Steam. Yes, it could be improved, but Valve developed a controller API that allows people to use Sony and Nintendo controllers on PC. But apparently, that's not good enough, and we're all Steam Defence Force users. *shrugs*

(edited to give a better example of Steam features)
 
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Spacecowboy

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Welp, looks like I won't be buying FO76 on release then.

The Bethesda.net launcher is absolute crap, not dealing with that
 

Trisc

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I don't think any of us mind using other launchers - I think all of us pro-Steam users have Battle.net or Origin installed, if not both. It's that we want to be able to use Steam because of its features, so having lots of people come into threads complaining about Steam, yet unwilling to hold Origin, UPlay, Battle.net, GOG, Bethesda to the same standards is frustrating. People just saying the same anti-Steam things as last month, last year, 5 years ago... Just, why don't people learn about the system?

So totally not meaning to come across as a dick, but it gets annoying trying to educate people about why Steam is better than, say, Battle.net, when a lot of people just want to shit on Steam. Yes, it could be improved, but Valve contributed to the development of a graphics API that literally doubled the frame-rate of Doom 2016. But apparently, that's not good enough, and we're all Steam Defense Force users. *shrugs*
I get exactly what you're saying. But my original post was only ever about wanting a means to download and play games. Those other clients, they're secondary to Steam, often tertiary, and I'm fine with that. It's not a problem for me because they do what they're advertised to do. None of the companies behind those clients are lying to themselves thinking they can even come close to the tens of millions of monthly users Steam has, which is why they often keep their clients so simple. They likely don't want to bog down users with stuff because they know it's gonna be wasted on most people when they're gonna go back to Steam after they're done playing Battlefield or Overwatch. And it's not like they don't innovate; it's just that EA Access or Uplay's SAM don't make ripples in the same way new features to Steam do, because the audience for Origin and Uplay can't even compare. You can't hold them to the same standard, because Steam is leagues beyond the rest in regards to audience size and reach. That doesn't mean you can't criticize the smaller clients, of course.

And yeah, this likely comes off as me defending Steam's competition while smacking Valve across the face. That's not my intention, and never was.
 

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So that means no regional pricing? Totally pro-consumer move /s
Well I think most people agree it's not a pro-consumer move regardless. Some people are arguing that it will help the consumer indirectly because "competition" and "monopoly" or whatever. In the end it only really helps Bethesda, possibly. At least they think it'll help them which is why they made the move. Although I wouldn't be surprised if they're just throwing Fallout 76 under the bus to test the viability of making their next big titles(TES6 and the Star one) on their platform exclusively, and if they can recoup the sales losses and operating costs of the platform with paid mods and the 30% on every sale as well.

Anyone thinking this is good for the consumer is highly delusional though. There's no competition when a product is only sold in one place. And that's why they don't bother actually offering the equivalent of Steam, because they know there's no competition, they have a monopoly on selling their own games, why would they bother with refunds, good download servers for the customers outside the US and all the features Steam has. The prices are also most likely going to be higher, worse and less frequent sales, the 30% they gain is not going to hit the customer at any point, and probably not the developpers either, they're not going to get raises as a result.
 

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I don't think any of us mind using other launchers - I think all of us pro-Steam users have Battle.net or Origin installed, if not both. It's that we want to be able to use Steam because of its features, so having lots of people come into threads complaining about Steam, yet unwilling to hold Origin, UPlay, Battle.net, GOG, Bethesda to the same standards is frustrating. People just saying the same anti-Steam things as last month, last year, 5 years ago... Just, why don't people learn about the system?

So totally not meaning to come across as a dick, but it gets annoying trying to educate people about why Steam is better than, say, Battle.net, when a lot of people just want to shit on Steam. Yes, it could be improved, but Valve developed a controller API that allows people to use Sony and Nintendo controllers on PC. But apparently, that's not good enough, and we're all Steam Defence Force users. *shrugs*

(edited to give a better example of Steam features)

You do realize that for many launchers it is not their intention to be like steam right? They are neither staffed nor planned to be that, at least not initially.

The Windows store was never built with steam in mind it was built to mimic app stores like iOS and Android.

Some launchers are literally just that by design. They are simply cleaner ways to push updates and inform users of news associated with products compared to just an executable. I think a lot of companies assume an interface no matter how basic is expected these days when distributing content , especially service driven content.
 

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I get exactly what you're saying. But my original post was only ever about wanting a means to download and play games. Those other clients, they're secondary to Steam, often tertiary, and I'm fine with that. It's not a problem for me because they do what they're advertised to do. None of the companies behind those clients are lying to themselves thinking they can even come close to the tens of millions of monthly users Steam has, which is why they often keep their clients so simple. They likely don't want to bog down users with stuff because they know it's gonna be wasted on most people when they're gonna go back to Steam after they're done playing Battlefield or Overwatch. And it's not like they don't innovate; it's just that EA Access or Uplay's SAM don't make ripples in the same way new features to Steam do, because the audience for Origin and Uplay can't even compare. You can't hold them to the same standard, because Steam is leagues beyond the rest in regards to audience size and reach. That doesn't mean you can't criticize the smaller clients, of course.

And yeah, this likely comes off as me defending Steam's competition while smacking Valve across the face. That's not my intention, and never was.

It's not necessarily that they aren't feature complete so much as them being awful.

Battle.net, for example, is terrible. It's a resource-hogging piece of junk that hasn't been meaningfully updated since 2009. It still has awful things like region-locked friends lists, and it takes them years to implement basic stuff like being able to hide your online status (which they added about four years after it became standard practice). Its UI is designed for no more than six games and is going to basically break now that Activision is there. So people saying that they're happy to use Battle.net over Steam come off as being contrarian.

Likewise, the Bethesda Launcher is baaaaad. When I used it it was unresponsive, it somehow consumed 4mb of my bandwidth doing absolutely nothing. Quake Champions took me 6 minutes to download on Steam; on Bethesda's launcher, it took six hours and took up so much bandwidth that it made my Internet completely unusable for the entire duration. Even before that, despite telling the launcher to install my game to a different drive (Launcher was installed on my OS drive (120 GB SSD, with very little room)), it actively decided to download the game to where the launcher was installed - BUT, despite not having room enough to actually download everything, it kept going. The percentage kept counting up and downloading at an alarmingly slow rate. Not once did it say "Hey chief, not enough room to download on the drive. Try installing the launcher elsewhere" so I didn't even notice until the next day.

The Bethesda launcher would forget my password randomly, so I constantly had to reset it. It made me relog in every few days. The UI is shockingly awful and buggy - when I installed it for the Fallout 4 creation kit, the bar on the left was full of games I didn't own. So dragged them all off and it made me leave one of them. So I then added the Creation Kit to the list and removed the game that was stuck there and then my Creation Kit icon just transformed into a Wolfenstein 2 icon. So after that I thought that I wouldn't use the sidebar, and after that I reopened the launcher to do stuff with the Creation Kit again, but there were like 50 icons for the Creation Kit and like 2 for Fallout 76. I couldn't remove any of them. So it was just broken.

I brought all this up to their tech support and they just threw their arms up in confusion (because what are they going to do, the software is broken). Reinstalling it didn't fix it so I just stopped bothering.

So it's just kind of frustrating seeing people (not necessarily you) try and frame this as "WHY DO YOU LOVE THE STEAM MONOPOLY HMMM?!" when it's more the case of not wanting to be "forced" into downloading bare-bones clients of extremely varying quality for the sole purpose of having more of that company's products shoved down our throats.
 
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Pixieking

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And yeah, this likely comes off as me defending Steam's competition while smacking Valve across the face. That's not my intention, and never was.

(Snipped most of your post, but I did read it. :) )

No, I know that's not your intention - I have Ignored people who are like that, and I totally get that you were coming from a good-faith "I just want this" place. I suppose my post was meant as "If you think people are defensive, it's because we have to put up with a lot of shit".

Peace, yo. :)

You do realize that for many launchers it is not their intention to be like steam right? They are neither staffed nor planned to be that, at least not initially.

The Windows store was never built with steam in mind it was built to mimic app stores like iOS and Android.

Some launchers are literally just that by design. They are simply cleaner ways to push updates and inform users of news associated with products compared to just an executable. I think a lot of companies assume an interface no matter how basic is expected these days when distributing content , especially service driven content.

Yup, totally accept that. But comparisons to Steam are inevitable when a game is exclusive to a non-Steam store. I don't think that's unfair, because Steam has been going for over 10 years now, and many of its "features" should actually be standardised practices in digital distribution, regardless of the initial "concept" of the store. Like, if I opened a physical store, I'd hold myself to as many of my competitors standards as I could, because that's how I would compete, even if I was not a direct competitor of them. Good practice is good practice.
 

EmryX

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Oct 30, 2017
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So freaking annoying.
Now i have :
- Steam
- GoG (i love it tbh)
- uPlay (just for Ghost Recon)
- Battle.net
- Xbox (just for Sea of Thieves, and god that friends list system...)
- Epic Games (just for... Unreal Tournament, haha gotcha)
- Origin (only for two games : BF1 & Star Wars)

And now Bethesda Launcher ?
Managing all your friends list is a pain :(
 

Pyro

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It's funny how 10 years ago everyone had their own launcher and we're coming back full circle. I wish I could say Valve needs to rethink their 30% cut but indies need Steam and only the AAA games can get away with this kind of stuff.
 

Trisc

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Oct 27, 2017
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So it's just kind of frustrating seeing people (not necessarily you) try and frame this as "WHY DO YOU LOVE THE STEAM MONOPOLY HMMM?!" when it's more the case of not wanting to be "forced" into downloading bare-bones clients of extremely varying quality for the sole purpose of having more of that company's products shoved down our throats.
And you know what? You're right. You're absolutely, totally, completely right. That's a perfectly valid complaint and I'll never argue against it. If other companies want to have competing clients, they need to make sure their product is up to snuff. It can't just be able to download and play games; it should also be resource-efficient and offer (at the very least) basic services like friends lists and chat clients, so if you don't make use of external IRC or VOIP clients like I do, you have a means to contact your friends through the client.

My hope for the absolute existential terror that is the Bethesda Launcher (I've used it for Quake Champions and ESO) is that Bethesda realizes Fallout 76 is gonna have a great deal more demand from its audience than Quake, ESO, and whatever else is on there (ES Legends, I think?), which means they'll need to shape up or lose out on a lot of potential users. It's optimistic, I admit, but if they want that core audience to stick with their platform, they're gonna need to make sure people at least tolerate it. Folks need to tolerate something before they begin to gradually shift towards "not hating it too much" and eventually "not disliking it", and that should be a major goal of Bethesda's for their client in the weeks leading up to FO76's launch, to at the very least ensure things go smoothly.
(Snipped most of your post, but I did read it. :) )

No, I know that's not your intention - I have Ignored people who are like that, and I totally get that you were coming from a good-faith "I just want this" place. I suppose my post was meant as "If you think people are defensive, it's because we have to put up with a lot of shit".

Peace, yo. :)
Peace. :)
 

His Majesty

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Oct 25, 2017
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So is this game coming to GOG then, the only real competitor to Steam? Otherwise why is everyone bringing up the competition angle?
 

GameZone

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Is it possible in the future to get all publishers on to one store? Without having to worry about losing a 30% cut? So many different launchers is by far the worst thing on PC right now.
 

Igniz12

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It's funny how 10 years ago everyone had their own launcher and we're coming back full circle. I wish I could say Valve needs to rethink their 30% cut but indies need Steam and only the AAA games can get away with this kind of stuff.
They don't care. If this ends up scorching the PC market again(not happening of course) it means people will go back to consoles which they are more than happy to accommodate; Less hassle and more control. And with streaming consoles coming out maybe next gen then even better, no need to worry about little Timmy poking into files he should not be looking at and making games run better or fixing bugs that the publisher can't be bothered to fix themselves.