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Stinkles

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yesterday : NO COLLUSION
Today: COLLUSION IS FINE
Tomorrow: COLLUSION IS CAUSED BY HONESTY AND HUGE PENIS SYNDROME
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Speaking of the family separations, I read this really comprehensive article the other day detailing what went wrong at the various agencies involved and why it's been so difficult to reunite families.
'Deleted' families: What went wrong with Trump's family-separation effort

I found it really helpful in understanding the overall situation (besides the fact that Trump is a monster). And just to remind you that we're dealing with awful people:

Again, it was kidnapping as feared.

FUCK

OOOOOOOOFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

Now now, a good friend of Roger Stone has to put a ton of spin out there to stay out of Leavenworth!
 

KtotheRoc

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https://twitter.com/JamesHasson20/status/1024070751933087745



https://twitter.com/JamesHasson20/status/1024074889064574976



Sunset this evening in rural Zimbabwe. Tomorrow, election day, marks a new day for this beautiful country.

Here is the upshot of what Flake is doing: Mitch McConnell kept the Senate in session in August (instead of recessing), so they could confirm Trump's judicial nominees, but Flake took his own recess for most of August. He's on judiciary, so now they can't confirm the judges.

So, nominees that have not already gotten out of committee will be stuck there. Nominees that gotten out of committee and are awaiting a floor vote will now require Pence to break the 49-49 tie—which means Pence has to stay in DC to break ties instead of campaign for R candidates

Jeff Flake is screwing the GOP caucus (and conservative causes generally, by slowing pace of confirmations). And he's either doing it intentionally or he's doing it because he just doesn't care and would rather vacation.

Is this true?!
 

KtotheRoc

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https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1024119093388107776



https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1024119750144786433



Brett Kavanaugh is polling as poorly as Supreme Court nominees Harriet Miers (withdrawn) and Robert Bork (voted down by the Senate). Merrick Garland, who wasn't given a vote, polled quite a bit better. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/brett-kavanaugh-is-polling-like-robert-bork-and-harriet-miers/amp/ …

Of course, this doesn't mean Kavanaugh won't be confirmed. It's a GOP Senate and zero Republicans have come out against him. But something seems to be changing with SCOTUS politics. Amazing to think Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Clarence Thomas enjoyed lopsided public support.
 

Autodidact

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If McConnell wanted to, he could just remove Flake from his position on the judiciary committee and replace him.
I get the sense they only keep McConnell because nobody else wants the job. He seems to have engendered little warmth among his caucus. They might see removing and replacing Flake as too vindictive to tolerate.

Or, more likely, I have no clue what I'm talking about.
 

Kaitos

Tens across the board!
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Oct 25, 2017
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The option after McConnell is Cornyn, and he doesn't seem particularly beloved by his caucus either.

I think Republicans generally like John Thune.
 

Soul Skater

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I get the sense they only keep McConnell because nobody else wants the job. He seems to have engendered little warmth among his caucus. They might see removing and replacing Flake as too vindictive to tolerate.

Or, more likely, I have no clue what I'm talking about.
No you do

Being the senate majority leader is just as shitty if not more so as the house

Yet despite Paul Ryan openly telling the world he's fucking quitting and won't run again.. even when they have FULL CONTROL AND SEVERAL MONTHS LEFT TO GET THINGS DONE.. no one has come for his job or tried to force him to resign

Can't imagine any other era of politics where no one would want to jump at the speakership or try to force a change in a similar situation.

Only thing that seems even comparable is Brexit. May is only still PM because nobody else wants be responsible for whatever happens
 

Soul Skater

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This remains the gold-standard political speech as far as I'm concerned:

This woman would wipe the floor with Ted Cruz.

Never said this before and will likely never say it again

YAS. QUEEN.

My god could we use her now....

How the fuck did they not just strip Dr.Dolittlecockus of the nomination and give it to her after this speech

felt a little dirty going "no Reagan was right and you were wrong achtually" when she went into protectionist anti trade shit but still; what a fucking speech
 
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Ernest

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Oct 25, 2017
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Again, he creates a problem, and then totally "fixes" it better than it could have been fixed again.



Someone has already said that he's going to meet Iran, and fix that too!
 

Autodidact

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Never said this before and will likely never say it again

YAS. QUEEN.

My god could we use her now....

How the fuck did they not just strip Dr.Dolittlecockus of the nomination and give it to her after this speech

felt a little dirty going "no Reagan was right and you were wrong achtually" when she went into protectionist anti trade shit but still; what a fucking speech
Fun fact: Ann Richards was Karl Rove's first victim when she lost to W. Bush in 1994. He started a whisper campaign about her being a lesbian... despite her being divorced from a man and having four children.

She actually performed quite well in that election, 46% of the vote, considering that it was the Republican Revolution year and she had just vetoed a concealed carry bill in gun-crazy Texas
 

WarioFan63

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Oct 25, 2017
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I learned about Ann Richards because of her guest appearance on a King of the Hill episode. When one of my friends saw that episode for the first time, he commnented to me how strange it was that someone most likely conservative-leaning like Hank and his friends would revere Ann Richards, but looking at what she was like in real life, she really lived up to the hype.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Chuck Tingle is a national goddamned treasure and I won't hear a word to the contrary.

When people ask [Crimzon], what makes America so special? What has America produced that no other country could or would? I shall answer simply, Chuck goddamned Tingle.
 

Autodidact

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Oct 25, 2017
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How did Republicans win 63 seats in 2010, when Democrats didn't get close to that until 2 elections?

People got motivated by the image of an uppity black man standing over grandmother in her sick bed waiting to smother her with a pillow.
What Mario said.

Also, 2006 and 2008 saw Democrats win a lot of seats in red-leaning or outright red areas. Those seats, predictably, fell in a Republican wave despite the incumbents' running good campaigns (e.g., Tom Perriello in Virginia). I recall a contemporary analysis saying something to the effect of, "Republicans didn't win by beating Democrats on Democratic territory; they won by beating Democrats on Republican territory."

I'd be slightly worried about having the same problem this year and 2020 if we weren't primed to have redistricting on our side this time. As long as we keep or expand our majorities in 2020, we can draw the next decade's map to be more favorable to us. And since the SCOTUS has all but declared gerrymandering a-OK, I think we should feel no compunction about slanting the maps in our favor, frankly.

Plus, the Senate will only continue to drift rightward in its current form, so we need to compensate by making the House Democratic-leaning for at least a decade.
 

Autodidact

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Is this the general opinion now? Last I read it was basically "The people who brought the suit aren't affected", so once the suit is retooled with people actually affected, gerrymandering is struck down. Was that an overly-optimistic read on it?
Think of the composition of the Court when it next hears a gerrymandering case. It's here to stay, except in those cases of egregious and blatant racial gerrymandering that get a district or two redrawn.

At the federal level, anyway. Individual states can follow PA's example and produce fairer maps at the state level.
 

Pixieking

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Oct 25, 2017
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Think of the composition of the Court when it next hears a gerrymandering case. It's here to stay, except in those cases of egregious and blatant racial gerrymandering that get a district or two redrawn.

At the federal level, anyway. Individual states can follow PA's example and produce fairer maps at the state level.

Ah, yeah, forgot that gerrymandering was basically a Kennedy issue. Well bugger. But, yeah, like you say, state level it can be changed, at least.
 

Slatsunus

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Nov 2, 2017
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What Mario said.

Also, 2006 and 2008 saw Democrats win a lot of seats in red-leaning or outright red areas. Those seats, predictably, fell in a Republican wave despite the incumbents' running good campaigns (e.g., Tom Perriello in Virginia). I recall a contemporary analysis saying something to the effect of, "Republicans didn't win by beating Democrats on Democratic territory; they won by beating Democrats on Republican territory."

I'd be slightly worried about having the same problem this year and 2020 if we weren't primed to have redistricting on our side this time. As long as we keep or expand our majorities in 2020, we can draw the next decade's map to be more favorable to us. And since the SCOTUS has all but declared gerrymandering a-OK, I think we should feel no compunction about slanting the maps in our favor, frankly.

Plus, the Senate will only continue to drift rightward in its current form, so we need to compensate by making the House Democratic-leaning for at least a decade.
And that doesn't depress eh? The Senate is so much more important and it's going to inevitably slide right into republican hands so they can keep blocking liberal judges for the SC and federal courts. Mitch doesn't even have to bother rushing appointments. They'll inevitably take over the courts anyway.

Even if a dem pres gets to replace the two oldest liberals on the SC. The balance is so titled against ever getting it to swing left. Fucking depressing
 

Autodidact

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Nate Cohn had a wonderful Twitter thread comparing this election and 2006:

Funnily, 2006 looked like a landslide in the aggregate polling - or, more colloquially, the generic ballot - but not in the individual districts. The elections were noteworthy because Democrats won the House and lost none of their own seats, but they were also peculiar because Democrats won in some deep-red areas but failed to knock off quite a few Moderate Darlings. In short, that year Democrats won but didn't win all the seats you'd expect them to win given the polling.
 
Oct 30, 2017
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What's this thread's take on Chapo Trap House? How many people here listen to it?

I've started noticing some of their talking-points coming up more frequently around resetera

They're pretty funny, but any time they start getting heated about Dems I can't help but think of how extraordinarily white they are. Most of their takes on free trade/neoliberalism/american foreign policy are usually coherent if you take them sui generis, but if you put them side by side and try to construct an actual ideological framework out of them you end up with contradictory gibberish.
 
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xenocide

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't care for Chapo. They bitched recently about how the guys from Crooked Media aren't open about their ideological values, but that has always been irrelevant considering the guys from Crooked worked for Obama and make clear regularly where they stand on issues. I've heard a ton of their clips, and they strike me as the stereotypical brogressives that think it's cool to shit on Democrats for their failures while not actually contributing to the conversation in a meaningful way. They also like to speak platitudes while ignoring very real political realities, and it makes their commentary seem much less valuable.
 
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