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Jalopnik - How BMW and Toyota Overcame a Culture Clash to Design the New Supra
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All ICE cars contribute to climate change with their CO2 emissions, including the manual transmission sports cars you guys fetishize
I seem to remember reading somewhere that Inspector Gedget's Gadgetmobile was inspired by the Toyota Supra. Hell of a car.
Car will be pretty amazing but not digging the looks of it. A bit too boy racer, looking fwd to final form though.
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Maybe I came to car culture "incorrectly" but I can't be bothered about numbers. BHP, WHP, torque, etc. I like cars for what they are in a vacuum.
So I love the Miata, the Delta Integrale, the 60s Mustang, the Stingray, the Chiron, the old Catherhams, etc. Comparing the HP:$$ ratio of a car is tiresome and a bit pointless to me, especially when it's not analagous to a good time, something which is much more subjective.
So I love the Miata, the Delta Integrale, the 60s Mustang, the Stingray, the Chiron, the old Catherhams, etc. Comparing the HP:$$ ratio of a car is tiresome and a bit pointless to me, especially when it's not analagous to a good time, something which is much more subjective.
i agree, the renders based on the camoed version aren't giving me feeling of hype on its looks. i don't currently have a car and i am toying with lots of different options like the M2, RS3, M3, and I'd certainly consider this if looks and reviews are high marks.
Well its a sports car. You're right that the average car buyer, at least American car buyer, doesn't buy manual transmission cars. But the percentage of manual vs automatic in sports cars is much higher than the average sedan/suv/truck. For example, but about 60% of Mazda MX-5's sold in the US have a manual transmission. The Honda Civic Si and Type R only comes in a manual, as well as the Ford Focus RS.
Nothing gives you the feeling of being one with the car like being able to shift gears yourself. Not long ago that was the way to go for performance. Its now been passed up by DCT transmissions and even some autos. The issue is autos are boring and DCT are great when they work right and a fucking nightmare when they dont.
Pretty much this. The movement of a foot clutch is fun and visceral but the paddles are just more efficient.
With that being said if it doesn't pack more punch than a supercharged 86 for a similar price then eh.
Even though having a new Supra would be pretty cool.
The chief engineer actually encourages people to try and swap if they want: https://jalopnik.com/toyota-confirms-a-four-cylinder-supra-1827655518
Buddy at work just bought a used BMW 135 with a turbo 6 and an automatic, he hates the automatic lol. Like why did you buy it then? I didn't say that but was thinking that. He sold his s2000 to get it and also has an older vr6 GTI. He's floored by my VW Tiguan with a stick and the apr flash. Just the concept of it lol.
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Sometimes the future isnt brighter. Selling his S2000 lol
A "drivers car" as a descriptor is a very real thing
There was hybrid talk, though that may have been a more of a platform thing for whatever they're working on for 2020. More likely, they'll be swapping out the EJ25 with the FA24 and bumping up the HP.
I mean Subaru has steadfastly clung to not changing the STI platform for, what many believe, far too long. Jumping to electric seems a bit much.
As for the Supra, it's kind of an odd story. I read an article about why there wasn't going to be a manual and that it had a lot to do with the market that bought them first hand, so it kinda made sense. Double clutch auto might be a good fit.
He was having a lot of maintenance issues with it as it's approaching 20 years old. The 1 series with that turbo six is pretty nuts too. Surprised he went with an auto though and is immediately complaining about it.
i'd rather just get a used 240z or 280z for like $20-30k. Sure it wont have all the bells and whistles, and it wont last long, but just look at this magnificent beast. Also if you have a sports car, manual is the way to go, especially if you're on windy roads. If you're commuting on a freeway, automatic is better.
As an E92 M3 owner, I like the new M2 competition!
This could be a contender however, hopefully they will unveil everything super soon. Hearing it running around 7min mark at the Ring is really promising.
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Reported. That's basically pornography.i'd rather just get a used 240z or 280z for like $20-30k. Sure it wont have all the bells and whistles, and it wont last long, but just look at this magnificent beast:
Curious to see what it's priced at...
And that person (or shop) will forever be my hero!
And that person (or shop) will forever be my hero!
I mean, many higher performance Porches are dual-clutch-only now. I wouldn't say no to a car based solely on no manual (even though I like driving manual).
ULTIMATE LOL at the dude who sold his S2K for an automatic 135i.
While I can totally see the logic behind going from an S2000 to a 135i (still a light car that's nimble and fun to drive, but a more comfortable daily driver), going from an S2000 to an automatic 135i is insanity.
Factor in that the S2000 will continue to go up in value, while the 135i won't, and the fact that the S2000 is so much more reliable.... your friend must be crying himself to sleep every night.
While I can totally see the logic behind going from an S2000 to a 135i (still a light car that's nimble and fun to drive, but a more comfortable daily driver), going from an S2000 to an automatic 135i is insanity.
Factor in that the S2000 will continue to go up in value, while the 135i won't, and the fact that the S2000 is so much more reliable.... your friend must be crying himself to sleep every night.
Culture shock
BMW: push 2000 dollar A service, no dip stick for oil level, special BMW only tools for repairs.
Toyota: Toyota
BMW: push 2000 dollar A service, no dip stick for oil level, special BMW only tools for repairs.
Toyota: Toyota
Meh I commute in LA traffic with a manual and it's not that big of a deal.i'd rather just get a used 240z or 280z for like $20-30k. Sure it wont have all the bells and whistles, and it wont last long, but just look at this magnificent beast. Also if you have a sports car, manual is the way to go, especially if you're on windy roads. If you're commuting on a freeway, automatic is better.
It's going to look really ugly, y'all. The concept is really ugly, and I'm losing hope quick given that even the Goodwood prototype shares the same body. Front end is like an Enzo gone wrong and the profile just makes it look chubby, but not in an endearing way.
Aftermarket is our only hope.
Aftermarket is our only hope.
That makes sense. In his shoes I probably would have used the money for that 1 series to give the S2000 an update but that's still asking for touble. I wonder which modern car would have given the same thrill... a modified turbo MX5?
It wasn't reliable, that was the problem with it. We were talking about how our VWs have been rock solid, and his Honda and my previous Infiniti were constantly having problems. His vr6 is like 15 years old and he has not had a single significant maintenance issue with it. My Tiguan 9 years old and all I've done is change the oil in three years of ownership.
even the 2020 corvette looks better, and I hate american cars in general (well at least this concept rendering looks great)
even the 2020 corvette looks better, and I hate american cars in general (well at least this concept rendering looks great)
Damn
If I had longer emptier roads with great scenery or took trips all the time I could see myself appreciating driving more. Sometimes the act of being on the road for the trip is as fun as the trip for me.
But that's not often enough. Being one with my car and enjoying the shifting or whatever is not going to happen for me on my 7am stop and go drive to work on ugly industrial streets lol.
But that's not often enough. Being one with my car and enjoying the shifting or whatever is not going to happen for me on my 7am stop and go drive to work on ugly industrial streets lol.
even the 2020 corvette looks better, and I hate american cars in general (well at least this concept rendering looks great)
That's dangerously close to the Ferrari 458/488. Doesn't look like a Corvette at all to me.
Get a beater with a slushbox for your daily and garage/pamper the manual sports car.
Yep looks like a Ferrari but they are going mid engine finally so not exactly surprising.
even the 2020 corvette looks better, and I hate american cars in general (well at least this concept rendering looks great)
jesus. that's a fucking sexy car. it's like an american ferrari. if Chevy can deliver on something close to that, that's my new car. i'll hold out for 3-4 years till that sexy beast arrives
I'm in the US and wouldn't buy this without a manual transmission.
What's up with that rear? That wheel well resembles a 2 series BMW. Looks too small.even the 2020 corvette looks better, and I hate american cars in general (well at least this concept rendering looks great)
I'm a fan of Corvettes, but this seems a bit weak. Gotta say, even the NSX looks nicer. Cool that we're finally getting a mid-engine Corvette though.
EDIT: the profile is very nice actually.
Aerodynamics and cooling needs dictate it has to look a certain way, sure, but the headlights are a dead ringer. I say bring back the pop ups. The weight and complexity would be worth it.
thanks for those other shots. agreed the rear is uninspired american design. the profile though is still pretty damn sexy.
This car is my dream car. It will also 100% outlast any new BMW built car today. With a toolbox full of basic tools you can work on this sex machine yourself. BMW builds cars these days so nobody but bmw shops can work on them. Its almost sad to see the new supra be nothing more than a borning bmw with a toyota badge.i'd rather just get a used 240z or 280z for like $20-30k. Sure it wont have all the bells and whistles, and it wont last long, but just look at this magnificent beast. Also if you have a sports car, manual is the way to go, especially if you're on windy roads. If you're commuting on a freeway, automatic is better.
I'd guess it'll start around mid-30's, low 40's at the most. 325hp is fine for that size body and class, 718 Cayman/Boxter auto's do 4.7s and top out at 170 @ 300hp. Don't think they have any designs on competing with American muscle in terms of speed:price. It's for people looking for European and Japanese sports car styling and probably better build quality, materials, fit, and finish.
That's a Ferrari 458 body.even the 2020 corvette looks better, and I hate american cars in general (well at least this concept rendering looks great)
I'm curious to what was "unreliable" about your friends S2000? They are widely known to be extremely reliable for a sports car. Only a couple issues that are easily fixable: weak retainer valves and clutch chatter on AP1s. As long as you change out the oil and diff fluid you shouldn't be having issues.
It's a sporty car so the general preferred option is a manual.
But yes, in the UK about 75% of new cars are sold with an manual.
lol the look is completely ruined at those angles
I really doubt that. That's the price range of the original Supra, in the 90's.